Russia - threadbanned users in OP

The Russians have been trying to encircle Bakhmut for 8 months.

The Russians haven’t suddenly changed tactics, they have been trying this all along.

You are now saying Ukraine should sit down and talk.

Who got to you Gatling?

Strangest 180 I have seen so far on this thread.

This is your words from the Ukraine thread.

“Now what's going to be proven after this war is 

, Russia lost the war , Russia are losers who live on a different planet much like North Korea,

Ukraine stood tall and fought and still fighting like savage's in defense of their sovereign state,

Ukraine will be rebuilt,“

Next time choose better......

As I said, who got to you???

From an early stage, I was appalled by the lack of diplomacy on the US side following Feb 24 2023. I thought Sabina Higgins was great to intervene but was saddened by the response to her letter.

Now that over 150,000 Ukrainians are dead, do you feel any remorse for saying for 9 years that Ukraine should retake Russia? Do you feel guilty for not fighting in the war on which you were insisting?

Russian share of world GDP in 2021 about 3%, USA share 24%, EU share 15% and many more on Ukraine's side meaning the bigger country must win arguement sounds fairly hollow to me.

A lot to be said about better weapons win when the moskovytes are dragging out of storage tanks that went into service 70years ago and Ukraine is getting some much more up to date weapons to help free their territory of the invaders.

Wow, a blast from the past. The neo-nazi thing was debunked about a year ago. I’d say anyone waiting for ‘neo-nazis’ to come up on their bingo card willl be delighted, as it has been a while since it was mentioned.

Should we have fought the British to the last Irishman for the six counties?

If you want to compare Ireland to Ukraine then the question you should ask is.... If the British army initiated a full scale invasion of the republic, flattened Monaghan and Dundalk, started slaughtering and raping 8 to 80 year olds, the BBC 24 hours a day calling Irish animals and not worthy of existence or having their own country, bombing towns and cities from Cork to Donegal, what would the people of the island do?? I know what I and most people I know would do and it isn't sit down and have a chat with the perpetrators.

Evidence provided for neo Nazi claim - absolutely zero. Check.

Completely ignores Russian neo nazi elements - Check.

Yes we should have kept fighting, if the British did so to keep a military dagger pointed at the free state to toe the line and strangle the economic future of the free state / its ability to plot its own economic course.

Is Ukraine free to join EU and NATO in this picture? Because a Ukraine not in NATO is a Ukraine perpetually under threat of Russia re-invasion that will need to sustain itself as an armed camp with all that that would mean for its future prosperity and stability.

So you don't think Russia will surrender much occupied territory.

If Ukraine wants to regain territory, their best option would be to start negotiating.

But they'd surrender sufficient territories in negotiations for them to be worthwhile???

Makes no sense.

Your post is all over the shop and contradicts itself. Maybe next time subject the Russian propaganda to some basic scrutiny before subjecting us to it here. You're fooling no one.

But you have gone from Russia will lose the war to Ukraine should negotiate as they won’t win????

"Should we have fought the British to the last Irishman for the six counties?"

But we weren't fighting the Brits for the Six Counties. It would have been an internal fight between Irishmen and women. You know those pesky Ulstermen in residence for a few centuries. You might try and argue the same for Donbas and Crimea, except that the Russian plantations there are modern - over the past dozen years.

Interesting to see China sitting firmly on the fence recently, diplomatically anyway. Russia has no true allies in this anymore, they'd be best to cut their losses and just get out of Ukraine as soon as possible. Declare their special military operation a success to their population etc etc.

4000 orcs slaughtered in Adviika in just one week.

They've made incremental gains, but a lot of these seem to be overturned regularly

It's not exactly true to say that the majority of Russian forces are in Bakhmut, considering that this is famously Wagner's fight, primarily, and Russia has drafted in 100,000s of conscripts and there are various flashpoints along the whole front. It certainly looks like the most brutal fight, though, based on reports we've been seeing, and so long as Ukraine are inflicting high enough casualties on the Russians while suffering low enough casualties themselves, then the battle of Bakhmut may serve its purpose when all is said and done.

Coming back on the 100,000s of Russian conscripts thing - do we have any idea how many are being thrown into active battle vs how many are being used to man defensive lines or logistical routes in preparation for the predicted Ukrainian counter-offensive.

It is true that Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine and has lots of weapons. However, it is important to note that the annexation of Crimea and the occupation of Donbas are illegal under international law. Ukraine has the right to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. The conflict in Ukraine is not about neo-Nazis or Russians being orcs. It is about Ukraine’s right to choose its own path and future without external interference.

Negotiations are always a good option to resolve conflicts peacefully. However, it is important to remember that negotiations should be based on respect for international law and human rights.

The international community should continue to support Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Never said that at all ,

Where did you get the idea of I said ukraine should negotiate as they won't win,

That's literally making it up as you go along

Gatling you’re saying here Zelensky might have no choice soon but to negotiate.

You’re softening your stance that you held all through this thread.

You said on the Ukraine thread Russia will loose and Ukraine will be victorious.

Total opposite of your post above.

So Russia still has enough ammunition for the areas they focus their attacks just not enough for the entire frontline. Hopefully in the coming months their stock gets even lower.