Brexit Impact on Northern Ireland

So the DUP opposed the GFA. That doesn't necessarily mean that the DUP wanted to destroy the GFA.

2004 Manifesto, when the UK were proud and active members. SF fully behind the EU project but wanted reform.

2016, no change in party position when the UK left.

2023 - no change in party position with the UK gone.

You stated that:

as if SF adopted a position JUST to be the opposite of the UK. As shown, that is just factually not true.

You slant the facts all the time to suit whatever agenda you have = another fact.

So what?

They are comiitted to the EU project for a long time now. Long before the UK left. It's there in black and white and in their record of engagement in the EU as MEP's. They have even, shock horror, worked with and voted with UK MEP's when the UK was a committed member (albeit with opt outs etc)

You slanted the facts to suit the agenda again.

Oh absolutely if Ui or not Ui was the agenda.

The reason there will continue to be a push for a border poll is not because of the economics, it's because Brexit has made it clear that Unionism will never allow true equality.

They have frustrated all who want it, and have **** in the Union nest now too, several times.

The push for the border poll is a nod to the extremists, there's not a chance of it happening/being successful without support from moderate nationalism/unionism, i doubt they're that stupid not to realise that

You'd agree then that calling for a poll without prior planning, justification and evidence that it would be beneficial to all is premature in the extreme?

No it won’t have to be done. There’s no obligation on either government to come up with plans for or against either union.

Politicians are only going to put time and energy into planning for something once there is a clear expression of intent for it from a majority in Northern Ireland - and there’s no indication that is likely to happen for decades, if ever.

If Stormont can’t be restored, NI will be directly governed from Westminster. That’s what’s always happened there and why politicians on both sides are happy to play the clown rather than govern the place properly.

The Irish government are not going to waste time and energy preparing for hypothetical possibilities, particularly when the opinion polls show there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell such a referendum would pass.

People have been touting the claim that any day now a majority of people in NI will support a United Ireland and it’s no closer today than it was a hundred years ago (or when the argument was it would only take one more murder to achieve it).

In the meantime, the government has a real country and economy to run and they’d be idiotic to waste their time on a fantasy, particularly when the majority in NI will by default say no irrespective of whatever is put in any plan they devise.

Stop and think about it, you are going around knocking on doorsteps in let’s say Ballymena, what arguments would you use to persuade people to vote for a United Ireland when they open their doors? Why should they do so?

You are just ducking the question.

Any referendum would have to be fought on a door to door basis (there is clear evidence that such canvassing works and is very effective).

Also, you can’t just write off entire sections of the people of Northern Ireland, since any United Ireland has to be there to work for all the people of Northern Ireland, not just the people you identify as “desirable”. A United Ireland thats just Sinners talking to Sinners is never going to get a majority.

The only person revealing themselves is you since you are ducking the question. You can’t envisage trying to actually persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree with you.

“Preaching to the converted” isn’t going to work when the majority in NI aren’t part of the “converted”. The arguments have to be there to persuade a sizeable chunk of the “non-converted” to change their views and the evidence to date is that the arguments aren’t there and the “preachers” aren’t interested in “converting” the “non-converted”.

You continually paint a picture on here of unionism being the sectarian ones and nationalism being the non-sectarian ones operating on a higher political plain. Plainly nonsense and propaganda designed for the ears of those on here who do not live in ni. Just look around you. It’s today we have a police officer lying critically ill after a murder attack by nationalists. We have the Psni issuing a warning that nationalists are planning to create ‘serious street violence’ in Derry on Monday to coincide with the annual unionist celebration in the city. It’s today we have videos circulating of a 12 year-old unionist girl being lured into a group of young nationalists to be punched, kicked and hair pulled while being called an orange barstewart. this type of behaviour no doubt encouraged by the daily flow of young nationalists singing support to the organisation that that purposefully murdered innocent unionists - and this is being normalised by establishments and politicians - This is what will ensure the status quo in unionist voting - they are not going to move to middle ground in large numbers while they feel threatened by nationalists

posters on here who may not be fully in touch with what is happening in ni, need to be careful reading the slant being presented by many nationalist posters with an agenda of trying to convince southerners that unionists are the issue. Yes there are issues making the news in one small unionist area of ni atm, but that is internal and not sectarian.

They had to go to the IMF for a loan in the 70's. The cause being a Tory budget before they joined the EU.

They prospered inside the EEC and the EU/.

And after leaving the EU this almost happened.