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F1 2023 - Round 3: Australia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,475 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    so they can use the cameras and data to prove Sainz caused the crash and give him a penalty but cannot use the same cameras to ascertain car positions and instead reset to the last sector like nothing has happened? If nothing has happened then you cant give Sainz a penalty surely...

    Why can they do one but not the other, either way?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭KillerShamrock


    The after magnesun restart was the right thing to do. It levels the field and actually adds to entertainment. The last lap was pointless they should count back and end the race instead. It's not the FIA's fault the drivers couldn't drive a few laps with out causing chaos. The sainz penalty is a farce did that lap exist or not?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    First thing Hamilton says about his performance was to mention Russell’s bad luck.

    Contrast to Jeddah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Sainz deserved the penalty. A lot of cars didn't finish because of him hitting Alonso.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    Getting rid of that chicane last year was a great call!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,271 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Best race of the season so far i think, 3 weeks now until Azerbaijan tho



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Shame Red Bull are so far ahead. Would be great if those 3 were all in closely matched cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Had that Sainz incident happened on the lap one start, I promise you that would have been chalked as a racing incident no further action. I think we might have another appeal like we had in Saudi a couple of weeks ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Verstappen and Red Bull are miles ahead, will be a boring year at the top



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Is that the most decorated podium ever? 11 world championships between them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Could have been 13 if Vettel was still there instead of Alonso.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭quokula


    The sport has seen such a huge explosion in popularity in the last year or so with closer higher quality racing and the rise to prominence of a new generation of more likeable drivers, which has translated to record race attendances and venues falling over themselves to host races, but if the sport (or more accurately the FIA) keeps shooting itself in the foot with atrocious decision making that popularity might prove short lived.

    It was a very good race for the first 56 or so laps too before it descended into farce.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses


    Good call to penalize Sainz ... onboard shows he had plenty room on the inside, and he had no steering lock



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Brian CivilEng


    Wind taken out of that race by ending, was enjoying up to that, but just switched off the telly frustrated.

    Was never sure of the standing start for a red flag restart rule, this race has just reinforced what i don't like about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭McFly85


    ARGH! What did I miss??

    I woke up, checked the F1 app and saw Sainz in 3rd and Gasly in 5th on the last lap and now it’s completely different!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭flazio




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭quokula


    Agreed that they never would have made the same call on lap one. The FIA created an unprecedented situation where the all the cars were put in a position where the entire weekend up to that point was basically wiped away in favour of an all or nothing grid start in the unpracticed conditions of low fuel with a low sun in the sky directly ahead in their eyes.

    Collisions were almost inevitable and Sainz has given them an out to place all the blame on him, even though he actually left quite a bit of room on the outside compared to various other unpenalised incidents through the race.

    Can’t see there being an appeal though. It’s not as clear cut as the rules simply being applied incorrectly as they were with Alonso last race - there are many many precedents of bad decisions being made related to racing incidents which never get changed on appeal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    There was shards of metal on track. Red Flag was a fair call.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Longing


    Gasly gutted in pre race interview. Now also under investigation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses


    That will be a race ban for him if found guilty



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭quokula


    It’s a disgrace if he ends up with a race ban thanks in large part to the FIA putting a digger on a live track last year and the FIA completely unjustifiably creating a dangerous situation today.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses


    They missed him because he pitted ... but

    "The FIA press release outlining the report’s findings states the following: “It was also acknowledged that in accordance with the applicable regulations, drivers have an obligation to limit their speed accordingly under yellow flag, safety car and red flag conditions. The drivers are further obliged to apply common sense at all times.

    “In the case of Gasly, data showed that in an effort to close the delta time to the safety car he had been travelling at speeds which exceeded 200km/h before the scene of the Sainz incident – and after passing the stricken Ferrari of Sainz under a red flag.

    “It should be noted that after the event he expressed his regret during a stewards’ hearing which resulted in a penalty.”

    The report states that Gasly passed the Sainz crash site at 189km/h – 67km/h quicker than the fastest car running behind the safety car, which was Haas’s Kevin Magnussen at 122km/h.

    Six seconds later, Gasly passes the Albon car recovery at a slower 163km/h, but then accelerates back up and reaches a maximum speed of 250km/h during the rest of his lap back to the pits, for which he was hit with a 20s penalty after the Suzuka race had finished, which dropped him from 17th to 18th in the final classification "

    So it was Gasly himself who created a dangerous situation

    As for today ... Teams and drivers want to finish under racing conditions..... They could maybe have opted for a rolling start ... In the end its a driver who controls the car and not the FIA.

    And he got penalty point for other actions as well



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,861 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    They have this kind of "injury time" system in Formula E where by energy saved under safety car gets added on as extra laps at the end of the race. Maybe something to consider going forward.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Listening to George’s interview there, I know he was encouraged by the pace of their car this weekend and was having a good race until the pit stop, but he’s deluded in thinking he would have won that race without the incidents. Max would have sailed past the both of them.

    Maybe the track and conditions flattered the Merc a little bit today but they still have a decent car, looks to be fight between them and Aston Martin for second. Feel sorry for any Ferrari fans out there.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I think it’s likely Max would have won out anyway but, to be fair to Russell, Max struggled initially against Hamilton because Hamilton was getting DRS off Russell.

    It would have taken exceptional race management from both the Mercs but a win would not have been completely out of the question.



  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭SimpleDimple


    Hulkenberg you mean?


    That was worth setting the alarm for anyway, plenty of chaos!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,380 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Yes, sorry. Was up since 5 if that's any excuse...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses


    Yes ... it was out of the question .. Red bull is to quick, nothing re management from the mercs could have changed that



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