Kellie Harrington. Was she hung out to dry or did she hang herself out to dry?

Cluedo Monopoly · 31-03-2023 9:30am

Harrington was extremely poor in her response to the question. Really let herself down. Who was the other female voice advising her?

crusd · 31-03-2023 9:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422268#Comment_120422268

The other voice was the Spar PR person afaik.

sonar44 · 31-03-2023 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120421776#Comment_120421776

I think I need to subscribe to the the fallacy of alleged certainty to fully appreciate this masterpiece.

sonar44 · 31-03-2023 9:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422117#Comment_120422117

It certainly highlights how the contemporary thought police work if nothing else. One hopes they can one day contemplate a visit to Spar, after an appropriate healing period, without their world caving in.

tesla_newbie · 31-03-2023 9:52am

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The kind of public atonement we saw from Hannon on Twitter about off colour comments he made ten years ago is the kind of middle class **** that would leave Kellie looking like a phoney in her locality , talk of “ wishing he could talk to his teenage self “ and other b0ll0cks , not everyone is impressed by that kind of painfully contrived performative secular confession

crusd · 31-03-2023 10:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422334#Comment_120422334

Did you listen to it at all? She wasn't badgered, wasn't harangued, wasn't criticised by the interviewer, just given the opportunity to comment on her tweet. It seems those who need a healing period or those who can't countenance someone in the public eye being asked about something they choose to bring into discussion in a public forum. The "world caving in" appears to be around people getting triggered by other people being asked to talk to views that they expressed.

sonar44 · 31-03-2023 10:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422422#Comment_120422422

In the interview I heard, the interviewer asked the same question a number of times and even managed to inexplicably squeeze in a monologue of his own impeccable and very safe views on immigration, if not his views on child murder.

crusd · 31-03-2023 11:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422355#Comment_120422355

Just saying "be like Elsa and let it go" is a much better approach eh?

And the rest of you post strikes me as inverse snobbery at actually being able to express yourself. Monaghan of course being where the elite reside in their ivory towers.

tesla_newbie · 31-03-2023 11:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422809#Comment_120422809

Not about slagging someone for being articulate, it’s the whole phoney pious act of confession for past progressive sins so as to be let back into the woke fold, Kellie didn’t want that and just asked him plainly to move on, she’s not obliged to assuage the mob

FishOnABike · 31-03-2023 11:35am

If you compare

a sportswoman whose forte is her sport, not criminology, politics or immigration policy, who retweeted a post about a particularly horrifying crime and quickly deleted the retweet when she was made aware of the background of the original tweeter

and

a third level educated, articulate journalist whose abilities wold include careful use of words, communication, investigation, analysis, understanding and illuminating potentially complex issues; posting in his own words, what could be construed as hate speach - distasteful and insulting at a minimum, availble to view online for years, only attempting to clean it up when it appears it might come back to embarrass him, misleading the public about his age when the posts in question were made....

I know who I'd have more questions to ask.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Danzy · 31-03-2023 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422355#Comment_120422355

Shane Hannon tweets were violently anti LGBT.

Unless there is a nice way to break a transvestites legs.

Would he have apologized unless called out, has he really changed his views. He has to do more than words to reassure the LGBT community that they are safe from people like him.

Naturally one should give him the benefit of the doubt but exercise caution near him, near his home or places he socialises.

crusd · 31-03-2023 12:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422962#Comment_120422962

Cop yourself on

Danzy · 31-03-2023 12:27pm

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Your trivialising violence against a community.

crusd · 31-03-2023 12:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423120#Comment_120423120

Ok, so you have chosen the "i wont cop myself on" path

rob316 · 31-03-2023 12:38pm

Shes a sportsperson not a politician. Why do we keep trying to hold these people to such high standards? She a boxer, strong working class background, leave her alone.

evolvingtipperary101 · 31-03-2023 12:42pm

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It's not about being unable to express yourself. It's about being sneaky and using the third-level vocabulary that the middle class sporting press like to overly reach towards to make their watching-a-ball-going-around-a-field jobs oh so important.

People go to sporting events and look to sport stars to get away from politics and religion. Sport is at its worst where supporters have made religion and politics a major part of the experience.

There are times when deep investigation and challenge is warranted such as MTK. Even then, this is usually beyond the remit of the sports journalist and crime reporters take over. Not always but more than not.

There are political journalists for a reason because they're trained in it (although the standards of journalism in this country, across the board, are very poor. When do you ever see something this good in an Irish newspaper: The U.S. Volunteers in Ukraine Who Lie, Waste and Bicker - The New York Times (nytimes.com) ). Sports journalists are not trained in political journalism. And there is a real problem, from the middle-class political chortles of Second Captains to OTB who love to laud working-class heroes when it suits them and then absolutely crucify them when aspects of their lives come to light that they find distasteful and unbecoming to their middle-class morals and education that they can afford that working-class people cannot. They are unable to understand the difference that their lives have afforded them in terms of morality. For instance, the most extreme example, imagine growing up the son of John Fury - a man who once gouged a man's eye out in a car park over a twenty year feud. OTB and Second Captains love to **** on Tyson Fury. But there's a reason why he wanted to top himself even when he was at his most successful, famous, and rich. These lads don't know what struggle is or being an outsider is.

Kellie doesn't want to be professional or an insider, she wouldn't know how. She doesn't play the game because she doesn't know the rules. That's why they feel so comfortable in going after her. (Insert Gavan's machete here)

Clare in Exile · 31-03-2023 12:45pm

Both Kellie and Shane have made mistakes on this one. As others have said, she should have been prepped with some lines if the question she was asked ever arose. The way she dealt with it made things worse, but that probably comes back on the PR person.

Shane has not come out of this well, and it's a harsh lesson for him to learn. His attempt to delete historic tweets, then put together some kind of redeeming PR statement has only served to deepen the hole he is digging.

His statement mentions having a chat with his 16 year old self, which is obviously an attempt to portray an image of a young teenager letting off steam online. The fact is there is a tweet from when he was 20, a student in University, that casts a very poor light on him. He is in danger of tangling himself up in a web of untruths and is coming across quite hypocritical.

The lesson from all of this is don't put anything up online that you can't defend in public. Hopefully both Kellie and Shane can move on from this...

crusd · 31-03-2023 12:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423181#Comment_120423181

Third level vocablary?

“I know you’ve had a number of interactions on social media that have suggested you have strongly held views on immigration,”

Really complex vocabulary isn't it!

Kelly Harrington has shown herself to be thoughtful, smart and measured in media appearances over a number of years, so its actual snobbery on your behalf to suggest, due to her background, that she wouldn't be able to offer an answer to the above question.

And again, all she needed to say was she "immediately reacted to an emotive story but on reflection decided to delete the tweet as it did not represent her views, next question"

crusd · 31-03-2023 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423163#Comment_120423163

Sure the poor girl from the inner city doesn't have the edumaction to answer to her own opinion

evolvingtipperary101 · 31-03-2023 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423268#Comment_120423268

Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Anybody can take one sentence out of an exchange to make a ridiculous point. Best of luck on your point scoring mission.

crusd · 31-03-2023 1:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423287#Comment_120423287

There was no language used that was complex or using "third level vocabulary"

Danzy · 31-03-2023 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423142#Comment_120423142

Come on ffs.

I just think it is wrong to beat people because of their sexuality. Some people disagree with that, vehemently so in some cases.

In my previous post I said how I was giving Shane Hannon the benefit of presuming that his change in views was genuine and not just as a result of publicity, as many less trusting people have said.

It is just basic common sense that people from the LGBT would take additional precautions around people who have advocated violence in the past.

31-03-2023 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120420192#Comment_120420192

A cleaner

31-03-2023 2:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423286#Comment_120423286

Her opinion was it was sad a girl was murdered

31-03-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423195#Comment_120423195

He tweeted things before he was media trained and trained to play the game and so did Kellie. Line drawn … let’s move on

AnFearCeart · 31-03-2023 11:26pm

Watched the interview - fair play to Kellie, smelt the rat a mile off and was dead right in her response. Nothing to answer for. Time alot of these "journalists" who are basically the new Bishops on the other side of the pendulum need to be told where to get off - the absolute state of them.

Donald Trump · 01-04-2023 12:24am

He should be fired if he doesn't resign for the hypocrisy of his own tweets.

He tried to ambush a regular person who didn't get all the advantages he got in life, deliberately to deprive her of some minor sponsorship and benefit his own woke credentials and career. Yet he'll never achieve a fraction of what she achieved.

Fu^k him. He deserves to have it backfire 100% unceremoniously on himself. I hope he is where he belongs - on the dole - before the week is out.

01-04-2023 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426012#Comment_120426012

Agreed

Acosta · 01-04-2023 11:25am

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I'm afraid the attempt by mostly anonymous racist and transphobic twitter accounts to get a guy fired for a few stupid tweets he posted when he was a young fella, looks to be fizzling out.

Sono Topolino · 01-04-2023 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120426012#Comment_120426012

Is this April Fools? He was a dope of a "lad" ten years ago, when he was 16 years of age. Nobody gives a crap what anyone thought or said when they were in college, let alone secondary school once they have left it. Michael D Higgins used to be in Ógra Fianna Fáil - people make weird decisions when they are at an impressionable age. It is expected that people change their views radically between the ages of 16 and 26. The entire purpose of extended adolescence is to let people **** up and learn from it without significant consequences in the hope that it will make them better, more thoughtful adults. If Shane or anyone else in their mid 20s acted the same as they did when they were 16, I would have serious questions.

By contrast, Kellie's tweet was in October 2022, less than six months ago. Reminder: if she had simply said "I am sorry", this thread would either not exist or at least be significantly shorter.

Kellie Harrington. Was she hung out to dry or did she hang herself out to dry?

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