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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Kissy_Lips


    My new hybrid came with a bell. I use it all the time, way more than I anticipated. My route takes in a lot of the new dodder greenway which is shared space for a lot of the journey. Buggys, people three abreast, dogs on extending leads all get a ding and a little wave of thanks from me after. No issues so far, much better than shouting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    I'm still trying to get my head around this which is why I'm posting about it.

    Was on my way to work this morning just after 7 and had just gotten into the city centre. A light turned red up ahead of me so I started to stop but out of nowhere, a car turns in on top of me and literally missed me by an inch because I felt him brush by me. So I ended up flying off of the bike onto the road to the left of me while the two cars behind me nearly hit me while I was down. The whole thing happened in the space of a few seconds I dunno how the **** I'm still here, to be honest, ha! I walked the rest of the way with the bike it didn't really hit me what had happened until I got to work then I just felt like a mess. Got changed calmed down a bit talked to one or two people at work about it and the boss told me to head home so someone gave me a lift back.

    I dunno whether I'm lucky or what I am but I've absolutely no interest in getting on the bike again plus it's probably gonna cost me a bit to get it fixed. To say I am absolutely fed up with commuting to work in Dublin city centre is an understatement anyway!! I haven't a clue where the car was going or what the **** the driver was at its not as if I was in their way. They didn't stop or anything after and no one said a word to me or checked if was I alright so that's what your up against out there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,136 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Cheers! I'm not one hundred per cent sure at the moment where exactly it was id have to go back down and look as the whole thing was a blur. There are a couple of shops around that area but from what I can remember where it happened is a bit quieter. It was dark at the time as well I don't know what was even open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭Smee_Again




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭p15574


    Obviously proceeding while he was looking right, not bothering to check in front too



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Compensation for their unhappy life.

    It's shocking but no doubt there will be no legal offence identified here as there was no injury caused.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    It’s there from last night, man in his 60s was hit by a car at 9pm last night. In critical condition



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    RTE news states he was a pedestrian.



  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Hi all, looking for a bit of advice please. Should I report this incident to the guards?


    Coming home from work today, a car swung in in front of me into the bus lane and parks there. He wasn’t that close to me so no bother, I indicate with my arm and go to overtake him. As I go past him he starts to move back out into the lane I’m in causing me to move further out with cars overtaking me from behind. I let out a shout and an ´f sake’ from shock and to let him know I’m there. As I go past him I see he has a phone in his hand. He finally notices me and pulls back into his ‘parking spot’ in the bus lane. I pull in a few metres up the road and look back at him as if to say: what are you doing? He doesn’t like this at all and goes to drive towards me. Only a slight forward motion but trying to be intimidating. He takes out his phone and (presumably) starts filming me. I then take out my phone and take a quick snap of his car while he goes on about how ´it doesn’t matter’ because ´you’re not a guard anyway’.


    I normally wouldn’t bother reporting the careless driving (a common occurrence in Dublin unfortunately) but the agressive reaction makes me want to go to the guards. What do ye think? Is it worth it?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    You should but in reality it won't actually make any difference, it will be a they said, you said unless they admit straight away, with a bit of luck it will be an old school garda who will just give them a bollicking like they could fine them and it scares them but they are rarer and rarer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭ngunners




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I know John, he's a very chilled sort of type. But some of the responses in the Twitter thread... I suspect the labour logo attracts some of them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It's a common practice in Dublin, might be time Labour and green councillors and TDs threw their weight behind bus lane cameras. Simple and easy solution. Most drivers think it's OK because Gardai never pull them for it. I could do the same in front of a Garda and would wager I am not getting in trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Don't think the driver did a lot wrong there tbh, pass looked fine and he was conscious enough to leave plenty of room on the left for the cyclist to filter past, unlike the car ahead of him.

    Who hasn't used a bus lane when turning left like that, I certainly have.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I can absolutely guarantee you that 99.9% of motorists using that lane are not turning left into Des Kelly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Fair enough I don't know the junction. Just thought it was a bit of a strange instance for the cyclist to decide to have a go, he left him plenty of room.

    Not excusing the driver's aggressiveness afterwards btw



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Of all the issues I have had with drivers in bus lanes, that wouldn't have even registered with me. It was a non event. Until it is enforced or they actually do put me in danger, I don't really see the point in giving out. Wasn't on a phone, gave space, and to be honest, screams of something else happened before. Did he proceed to give out to the other few cars in the bus lane?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i posted it mainly because i thought it was absurd, a 'right, i am going to pull in and engage in fisticuffs with this cyclist in the middle of a busy urban area' as if the cyclist was going to agree to that.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Where he pulled in was Des Kelly, that's where he was going.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    No one came out of that video looking well IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Just to be clear, by 'have a go', you mean: tell the guy driving in the bus lane that it's a bus lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yes have a go at him as such.

    Driver would have gotten a thumbs up from me for consciously leaving space to the left tbh, he clearly stayed well out.

    I'd have reserved my dirty look for the driver in front blocking my way.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    This is the junction here

    Prospect Rd - Google Maps

    So where the guy pulled in is where he said he was going.

    There's no right turn at that junction so don't know why the rest of the cars where in the bike lane. Unless they thought there was a right turn so were going into the bus lane to get around any potential hold ups.

    I have to say it's all a bit needless and I'd agree with CramCycle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,488 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Speaking to him about his abuse of the bus lane wouldn’t quite meet my definition of “having a go”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    From Phibsboro shopping centre until after Des Kelly that's only a bus lane between certain hours. It's only after you pass the Porterhouse/Bernard Shaw that it becomes a 0700-1900 bus lane.

    So it's also a possibility that it was between 10-12.30 when the lane is open to all road users; unlikely to be pre-7am or post-7pm given the traffic levels and brightness.

    Either way - seems a fairly needless confrontation for the cyclist to initially have engaged in, but then a completely psycho response from the driver.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've gotten that 'i'll punch your **** lights out' sort of threat three times i think in the last five or ten years - but once it was from a cyclist.

    another time it was as a result of me sticking my hand out in a 'do not pass' gesture as i could see oncoming traffic the driver behind couldn't see (or was ignoring) - ended up with him slamming on the brakes and pulling in and trying to block me in, so that was a bit adrenaline fuelled.



  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    If you'll allow me the whataboutery, why not lecture the cyclist on the very narrow footpath. This junction is just one that attracts bad road users of all kinds. Pedestrians like to cross the road at whitworth when I'm turning



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Just had a bus close pass me and then completely pinch me at the Hill Garage in Bray, scared the sh1te out of me, first really bad one in awhile. I thought I was a goner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sy_flembeck


    Dublin Bus or Go Ahead? I've had several issues around there with the 45A to the point I believe it's a specific driver. I reported one to Traffic Watch with footage and, had the Guard been doing her job, it would doubtless have resulted in a prosecution. Unfortunately she wasn't so it didn't!

    I subsequently wrote to Go Ahead and got the impression they had dealt with it properly internally. I certainly got a better feeling doubt it then when writing to Dublin Bus. Since then, I have reported every infraction with them. I'd urge you to email them for all our benefits



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Alas no, white minibus, 191D, coming towards the garage from Ballywaltrim. Just after the turn left for the DB stop he pulled alongside me with about 30cm to spare, slowed and then merged in. I went onto the ridge of the road and grabbed a handful of brakes to drop behind him. If I hadn't I'd have been in the ditch or under his wheels. I still was at the roundabout less than 3 seconds after him.

    It had to have been intentional, my heart went crossways, closest one in awhile. Normally it's just stupidity, but this felt malicious. He then went over the bridge to the southside N11 so I imagine does schoolruns locally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Shocking. There's no way I'd have been that close to the kerb though. I know people will that as an implied criticism of the cyclist - it's not. Just an observation based on my experience of what happens when you're perceived to be making space for a vehicle to pass you, and from seeing how other cyclists on the road I come across are treated by motorists when they cycle close to the kerb.

    The least you'd hope though is that drivers of vehicles like that would have a higher level of training and awareness of how their driving impacts other road users. Not in this case clearly. Absolutely inexcusable.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    first one in a while today; on a back road north of the airport, a lad on a bike came shooting out of a driveway straight into my path. i'd have to assume that he thought there was no traffic as he probably couldn't hear any.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    A particularly stupid MGIF from this afternoon. Reported to his employer.

    https://streamable.com/006wb1



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Well that was the worst one in awhile, in St. James and doing a few deliveries around town. Inside of 500m in St. James I had 3 people turn across me in a fashion I had to hard stop. First guy, well into his latter years just had a look in his eyes that said he regretted stopping when I roared as he turned right in front of me. 100m later a young lad turned right in front of me, didn't even notice me yell at him, then 100m later another car just pulled out right in front of me.

    Anyway, a ride through Dublin's fair city and several more near misses I just gave up on etiquette and done whatever was safest for me. F**k that city and cycling in it.

    Just to be clear, very tiny majority of drivers were absolute ****s but when you have a few hundred, a small percentage is still a decent number.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    Tell me again how it's cyclists who break red lights that are the real danger?

    I could practically smell the Brut coming off this guy through the glass. He gave me a little tongue waggle as he passed and all, the old scamp.


    Gotta love the detail you can capture on these new GoPros though




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭paddydriver


    That junction is 200m from my house on the other side of the Luas bridge. Between that junction and the lower cross roads at Lwr Kilmacud Rd, I could earn a daily living off it if I had 10c for the cars that run the red lights.

    My kids all walk these junctions to and from school each day and it is just scary what goes on. Usually the one you captured is that they come down from the Beacon and turn right on the red - they think Green arrow straight and a Red for right is good to go! - missing the fact the Green man may be on for pedestrians.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Can you imagine how much the council or gardai could make with RLJ cameras or yellow box cameras at that junction, it is insane. Also all the ones who park on the pedestrian crossing so walkers, have to detour around them, often with not enough space between the cars in front or behind to squeeze through easily/



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    They can't even enforce traffic watch, they seem to do everything they can to not actually do their jobs. There's no hope if we ever get a portal for uploading videos. Absolutely no reason why we can't take a photo of a car blocking the footpath and result in a guaranteed fine. Sure didn't somewhere in New York open a portal where you get part of the fine for submitting stuff? Imagine. Pretty sure there was a camera in Dublin city centre that was unused for several years because the council and Gardai couldn't decide who was in charge of it. If there was fixed speed cameras or red light cameras it would be the same story as traffic watch.

    Post edited by DaveyDave on


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I imagine in the advent of modern technology where you can't believe everything you see, there is a risk that people will upload falsified images.

    What I can't understand is why there isn't enforcement when the resulting fines would more than cover the salary of a guard doing that job. What is the obstacle here? It honestly boggles the mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,364 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Cars that are turning don't need to obey the rules of the road from my experience. This is facilitated by those boxes they put after the lights between turns sometimes. Suit drivers but also make them think that once traffic stops the normal rules don't apply and the new rule is that they can turn whenever suits them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Was the red light camera at Blackhall place, was put in because it’s one of the most commonly jumped red lights and constant collisions with the luas because of it.

    They put it in around 2010, and for the first 164 days it detected 800 and something red light jumps. And then it’s sat idle and unused since 2016.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I'm guessing the fine money can't pay staff? There must be a paperwork issue, I don't believe smaller speeding offences go to court. If they stood in hot spots they'd clean up. With the laser gun they don't need to pull people over, surely they can log tenfold the amount of offences.

    If they stood somewhere like an overpass on the N4 or M50 they'd clean up in just 30 minutes. I drive them daily using cruise control and the majority of traffic will drive by as if I was doing 10-20 under the limit. Regardless of the time, weather or volume of traffic.

    Speeding has become so normalised in the last year or so. If I'm the only car on a stretch of road a queue will eventually form behind me because I'm doing the speed limit. People see a gap in front so they drive faster until they get behind the next car. If there's a bus lane on a 50-60 road there's a guarantee I'm getting undertaken because there's a gap in front of me and the person doesn't understand why I'm not driving faster. I had someone behind me throw up their hands because I wasn't driving faster when there was nobody in front of me. All doing the speed limit. It's just too casual these days and nothing is being done about it. I genuinely don't get it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it'd pay the staff if they had them. the garda siochana is understaffed, and i believe is still shrinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Apparently you don't need to obey the speedometer in your car as it always understates the speed by about 10%. So you should have been driving 66kmph. And as its unlikely that you'll get done for speeding if only 5% over the speed limit you should have tagged on an extra few kmph. Let's call it an even 70kmph. That's what you should have been doing to avoid the ire of the really important people who are always in a mad rush to get to their really important appointments.

    I just had, for the second day in a row, a car pass me in the extra-wide, solid white line, cycle lane on St Stephens Green South. All so he could undertake about 15 cars who were driving in the correct lane. But of course it's cyclists and the Greens who are the problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I don't know how accurate that 10% rule is as not everyone's odometer is the same and your tyre pressure can even affect the speed shown. I usually use my Google Maps app which gives your current speed and allow about an extra 3kmph for Gardaí speed gun tolerances which I hear can be disputed in court.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,239 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's not that the speedo *always* understimates speed, it's that it's *allowed* to, within parameters.

    the regs are that the speed indicated must be within the actual speed, and (110% of actual speed +10kmh)

    so for example, for an actual speed of 30, it must indicate between 30 and 43km/h.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I think it all goes to the root of why speeding is seen as socially acceptable. Sure how is anyone to know what speed they're actually doing? And if nobody knows, shur who gives a s**t. "How dare you take issue with my driving, I'm not doing 110kmph, I'm doing 100 and you're doing 90" goes the conversation between two people with different notions of how to stick to the same speed limit.

    It also probably goes to the root of why there is so little effort by the Gardai/ State to punish speeding drivers.


    Just back from a walk to get a coffee to see a driver use the contra flow bus/ cycle lane to overtake stationary traffic from the pedestrian lights at Institute of Education on Leeson St all the way down to the St Stephens Green crossroads - ostensibly to use the right turn 'lane' there, only for him to cut back in at the very last minute to continue straight on. Nobody bats an eyelid. It's all just so blasé.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I'd just cycled with my kids to school morning and left them 30 seconds before this https://streamable.com/fx6w4g . I caught up with him at the lights and he was oblivious to how close he passed me or even where he passed me. I thought the truck was close enough and never expected a trailer! For reference, he has just driven through Maynooth which has a supposed HGV ban past a primary school to get to the Dunboyne road via the shortest route possible.



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