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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Before Pro rugby and the league getting 1,000s attending club games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    1A

    Ballynahinch v Terenure

    Clontarf v Young Munster

    Lansdowne v Cork Con

    Shannon v Trinity 

    UCD v Garryowen

    Bit of a gap could emerge at bottom if both UCD and Trinity win

    Imagine top 3 should win as well even with 2 of them away from home

    1B

    Armagh v Banbridge

    Malone v Old Wesley

    Old Belvedere v Highfield

    Marys v Naas

    UCC v Buccaneers

    4th v 3rd game of day in Ollie Campbell Park.

    2A

    Cashel v Dolphin

    Barnhall v Ballymena

    Navan v Blackrock

    Nenagh v Old Crescent

    Bohs v Queens

    Queens should have no problem to keep their lead at at least 3. Barnahll should beat Men

    2B

    Belfast Harlequins v Enniscorthy

    Corinthians v Dungannon

    Malahide v Galwegians

    Rainey v Greystones

    Sligo v Wanderers

    2C

    Bruff v Instonians

    Clonmel v Ballina

    Midleton v Bangor

    Omagh v Skerries

    Sundays Well v Tullamore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Tarf ahead of Terenure top of 1A by a point after Nure lost to Ballynahinch

    Armagh up to 1st in 1B ahead of Buccs by a point Belvedere win over Highfield lifts them above their opponents today. no other changes

    Queens surprise loss to Bohs means they drop below Barnhall with Nenagh up to 3rd switching positions with Blackrock now 4th and Cashel 5th. Bohs win lifts them level with Dolphin

    No change in top 4.. Greystones lead 2B by 6 after they won against 3rd place Rainey and Corinthians lost to 4th place Dungannon.. Bit of movement mid table and no change at the bottom

    No change in 2C bar Midleton win moving them from 8th to 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Few more weekends of junior games played ahead of round robin semi finals

    Leinster

    Bective up by 8, 2 rounds left

    Munster

    Richmond lead by 6. 3 rounds left

    Ulster

    Clogher Valley champions

    Connacht

    Creggs play Connemara league final next weekend



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    So no one is going to talk about how you hardcore jinxed Queens there, lol?



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Chico Flores


    We were fairly tragic in Hinch. Left that one behind us.

    Little wobble now but rather now than in a semi final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Ha! Dont think anyone expected them to lose though tbf. Fairly big shock losing to last placed Bohs who're still going to be relegated/in relegation playoff

    Leinster senior cup next weekend Trinity Tarf and Terenure Lansdowne

    Munster senior cup final set for March 16th in Thomond Park

    Ulster senior cup quarters are 11th March

    Sligo Corinthians senior cup semi 11th march. Buccs in final on April 9th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Surprised so few games have moved kick off to avoid clash with Irish game



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    1A

    CORK CONSTITUTION v UCD

    DUBLIN UNIVERSITY v CLONTARF

    GARRYOWEN v SHANNON

    TERENURE COLLEGE v LANSDOWNE

    YOUNG MUNSTER v BALLYNAHINCH

    1B

    BANBRIDGE V ST MARY'S COLLEGE

    HIGHFIELD V CITY OF ARMAGH

    NAAS V UCC

    OLD WESLEY V OLD BELVEDERE

    BUCCANEERS V MALONE

    The Buccs game is 5.30 pm which seems pretty sensible given the Ireland Italy game. Strange there aren't more delayed Kick offs.

    Also the Terenure Lansdowne game and the Trinity Clontarf games double up as Leinster Senior Cup Semi-finals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    If Garryowen lose they will officially be relegated as mathematically wont be able to pass Shannon(they werent going to pass them any way...)

    2A

    Ballymena v Cashel - would expect Cashel to win

    Blackrock v Barnhall - should be super game 2nd v 1st.

    Dolphin v Nenagh - Nenagh should win

    Old Crescent v Bohs - Crescent to win

    Queens v Navan - Queens

    2B

    Galwegians v Rainey - Rainey

    Enniscorthy v Corinthians - Corinthians

    Dungannon v Malahide - Dungannon

    Greystones v Sligo - Stones

    Wanderers v Belfast Harlequins - Quins

    2C

    Ballina v Bruff - Bruff

    Bangor v Clonmel - Clonmel

    Instonians v Sundays Well - Inst

    Skerries v Midleton - Skerries

    Tullamore v Omagh - Tullamore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭luke9311


    poor first half from lansdowne playing catch up ever since for the rest of the game tbh



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Would I correct in thinking that will leave Con as the only team who've been in the top division since it its first season?

    I'm pretty sure that every other club has either been relegated at some stage or got promoted into the division after its first season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Yes. Everyone else has been relegated or started lower and promoted up to the top flight



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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Purple Fox


    Garryowen were in 1B a few seasons in 2014 so Con have been for some time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,648 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They've been playing piss poor all season, a single win from 14 games so far but a chance to rebuild in 1B will do them the world of good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Bateman Cup final set for Friday week.

    Nure won coin toss so finals in Lakelands

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/03/01/2022-23-energia-bateman-cup-final-fixed-for-march-10th/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Energia All-Ireland League Men’s Division 1A: Ballynahinch v Dublin University, at Ballymacarn Park, 14.30; Garryowen v Cork Constitution, at Dooradoyle, 14.30; Lansdowne v Young Munster, at Aviva Stadium, 14.30; Shannon v Clontarf, at Thomond Park, 14.30; UCD v Terenure College RFC, at Belfield, 14.30;

    Energia All-Ireland League Men’s Division 1B: City of Armagh v St Marys College RFC, at Palace Grounds, 14.30; Highfield v Old Wesley, at Woodleigh Park, 14.30; Malone v Naas, at Gibson Park, 14.30; Old Belvedere v Buccaneers, at Ollie Campbell Park, 14.30; UCC v Banbridge, at The Mardyke, 14.30;

    Energia All-Ireland League Men’s Division 2A: Blackrock College RFC v Queens University, at Stradbrook, 14.30; MU Barnhall v Cashel, at Parsonstown, 14.30; Navan v Old Crescent, at Balreask Old, 14.30; Nenagh Ormond v Ballymena, at New Ormond Park, 14.30; UL Bohemian v Dolphin, at Annacotty, 14.30;

    Energia All-Ireland League Men’s Division 2B: Belfast Harlequins v Greystones, at Deramore Park, 14.30; Galway Corinthians v Wanderers, at Corinthian Park, 14.30; Dungannon v Enniscorthy, at Stevenson Park, 14.30; Malahide v Rainey Old Boys, at Malahide, 14.30; Sligo v Galwegians, at Hamilton Park, 14.30;

    Energia All-Ireland League Men’s Division 2C: Bruff v Bangor, at Kilballyowen Park, 14.30; Clonmel v Skerries, at Ardgaoithe, 14.30; Instonians v Ballina, at Shaws Bridge, 14.30; Midleton v Tullamore, at Towns Park, 14.30; Sundays Well v Omagh Academicals, at Musgrave Park, 14.30;



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/03/04/energia-all-ireland-league-mens-divisions-round-15-results-round-up/

    No change in positions for 1A sides bar Lansdowne going above UCD. Shannon 3 behind UCD to get out of relegation semis with the 1B sides

    In 1B Belvo ahead of Buccs. Highfield 5 clear of Wesley for 4th and the last place in promotion playoffs.

    UCC win over Banbridge sees them 8 clear now of todays opponent which makes them safe(should bar a huge collapse)


    Nenaghs win over Ballymena with BP lifts them to 2nd on points difference. very tight at top with queens on 54, Nenagh and Rock on 52 and Barnhall 51. Cashel are 8 behind Barnhall so need a few results to go their way to make top 4.

    Bohs beat Dolphin by 3 and are 5 behind Navan as they try avoid the relegation playoffs.


    Corinthians lost to Wanderers in Galway so they couldnt take advantage of Greystones loss to Belfast Harlequins. Stones still lead by 9. Other 2 playoff spots still very much up for grabs. Dungannon on 40, Wanderers, Rainey on 37 with B Quins 36, Malahide 35 and Sligo 34 all looking for that final spot.

    Enniscorthy bottom on 21 and Wegians on 24 fighting to see who will be relegated and who will be in playoffs.

    Instonians champions. Skerries just went above Tullamore after Tullamores surprise loss to Midleton. These 2 will face each other in the promotion semi finals with the venue to be decided in the final rounds. Clonmel in 4th ahead of Bruff by 4. Sundays Well hammered Omagh but are 4 off Omagh so need another few wins in final rounds to avoid relegation to junior Omagh a point behind Ballina with 9th in playoffs with 2nd round robin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Junior leagues...

    Creggs won Connacht final last weekend 26-15. Bective won Leinster league today. Richmond beat Thomond last night to win Munster league and Clogher Valley are Ulster champions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Is first place in 2B straight up, or will Stones need to go through a play off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Yes. Straight up. 2nd/3rd/4th and 9th in the higher division playoff for final spot in the higher division



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE



    Back last June it was mentioned that there was going to be an Ireland Club XV game this season in March. I can't find anything more recent mentioning it. Does anyone know anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Munster senior cup final tomorrow night in Thomond Park

    Young Munster v Nenagh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    cookies won 27-24 with penalty last kick of game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    1A

    Clontarf v Ballynahinch

    Cork Con v Shannon

    Trinity v Lansdowne

    Terenure v Garryowen

    Young Munster v UCD


    1B

    Banbridge v Malone

    Buccaneers v Highfield

    Naas v Old Belvedere

    Old Wesley v Armagh

    Marys v UCC


    2A

    Cashel v Nenagh - tonight

    Ballymena v Bohs

    Dolphin v Navan

    Crescent v Blackrock

    Queens v Barnhall


    2B

    Enniscorthy v Malahide

    Galwegians v Belfast Harlequins

    Greystones v Corinthians

    Rainey v Sligo

    Wanderers v Dungannon


    2C

    Ballina v Sundays Well

    Bangor v Instonians

    Omagh v Midleton

    Skerries v Bruff

    Tullamore v Clonmel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Would be nice to see a boost at attendances tomorrow following on from grand slam last week but how likely is that.....

    In tonights game Nenagh beat Cashel 21-17 in 2A. First win in AIL in Cashel for Nenagh which puts them top for tonght at least and nearly confirms the top 4 as the clubs who are in those positions now: Nenagh, Queens, Barnhall and Blackrock



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Maybe at provincial level but most of the casual fans who are attracted to the Slam. Wouldn’t even associate AiL with that at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Yes but thats where IRFU come in and work with clubs to get people into the clubs as members, going to games.. watch pro games in club house bars not pubs or whatever they can



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Work with the clubs in what way? The clubs will benefit from this, with the numbers of kids wanting to play. However this seems to have no relationship to the AIL. There is a strong disconnect in the clubs between youths rugby and Senior rugby. Maybe the clubs need to do more to bridge that gap. Get the parents who are there with their kids, more invested in the club overall and going to games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Help more attracting members, get people in the gate to watch games. It has a relationship to AIL. Help get people to watch pro games from club house not a pub in town. there is some disconnect between youths and adult rugby. that comes down to formats of competitions and lot of other reasons. yes the clubs need to get parents who take kids to a club once, twice even three times a week to club for training and matches more but there needs to be a greater conversion of people who solely or nearly exclusively watch pro rugby and nothing else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Help how? You keep saying this but the IRFU can’t make people do what they don’t want to do. If the clubs can’t get the people who are already connected to them to go. What could the IRFU do? I get an email every week from my local club to get me to watch either AIL 6N/Leinster games. Trouble is my local club isn’t local anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Of course but IRFU can assist clubs promote their games. Assist the clubs with digital marketing. get tv ads promoting the league. work with the title sponsor to get the league across media more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    1A: Tarf and Terenure 1st/2nd to be decided last 2 rounds. Con3rd. YM 4th. Shannon 9th unless they over turn 4 points and significant points deficit on UCD

    1B: Armagh 5 clear at top. then 3 points between Belvo, Buccs and Highfield. Bottom are Malone who are 4 behind Banbridge with UCC another 4 points gap. Malone relegated or in playoffs. Banbridge 4 points behind UCC with similar points difference

    2A:Queens 2 clear of Blackrock, Nenagh a point behind, 5 points to Barnhall then 7 to Cashel who need results to go their way so assume top 4 will be the sides in those places with order to change. Dolphin last and relegated. Bohs in relegation playoffs.

    2B; Greystones 1st and confirmed promotion today. Corinthians confirmed 2nd. 3rd/4th up for grabs with Dungannon on 44, B quins 41, Rainey and Sligo 38, Wanderers 37, Malahide 36. Galwegians and Enniscorthy fighting to avoid automatic relegation. Enniscorthy 1 point ahead with much better points difference

    2C: Instonians 1st and champions still yet to drop a point. have scored 679 in 16 games with points difference of +488!!! Skerries 2 clear of Tullamore for 2nd/3rd. Clonmel on 39 with Bruff 31 fighting for last playoff spot. Sundays well all but relegated. 7 off 9th now. Omagh, Ballina and Midleton1 point between 3 of them will be tight for 9th and playoff spot with round robin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Important players pulled from the likes of Lansdowne, UCD and Trinity to play in a mickey mouse Leinster A game at the weekend. Very disrespectful towards the AIL clubs at an important time in the season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    4 Games tonight

    In 1A the Colours is on in Belfield. Lansdowne play Clontarf Aviva while the Galway Derby is in Cloonauncean in 2B with Sundays Well hosting Midleton in 2C

    Saturday

    1A: Cork Con v Terenure, Shannon v Ballynahinch, Garryowen v Young Munster(3.30)

    1B: Old Belvedere v Banbridge (2pm), Armagh v UCC, Highfield v Naas, Malone v St Marys, Old Wesley v Buccaneers

    2A: Blackrock v Dolphin, Barnhall v Nenagh, Navan v Ballymena, Queens v Old Crescent, UL Bohs v Cashel

    2B: Belfast Harlequins v Rainey, Dungannon v Greystones, Enniscorthy v Wanderers, Malahide v Sligo

    2C: Ballina v Bangor, Bruff v Tullamore, Clonmel v Omagh, Instonians v Skerries

    Young Munster should mathematically seal 4th as only need a point. Shannon will be hoping for a Trinity win tonight as they can go level with them if they beat Hinch

    Armagh should get closer to automatic promotion with win over UCC. Top 4 sorted as Wesley 6 behind Highfield with 50+ difference in points difference as well. Banbridge need 4 points more than UCC in last 2 games to avoid playoffs with 2A sides

    Queens will also get that bit closer to league title and automatic promotion as they play Crescent who are safe unless Bohs get 2 big wins. Blackrock should stay 2nd with win over Dolphin which would confirm their relegation. Game of day is Barnhall Nenagh. 3rd v 4th. If Nenagh win it could open door for Cashel to catch Barnhall for final playoff spot. Bohs need 2 wins over the tipp sides to avoid playoffs for relegation to 2B.

    Greystones promoted. Corinthians 2nd. Dungannon may hope stones arent too concerned now theyre promoted and a win for them would seal a playoff spot All Ulster clash with Quins and Rainey could knock Rainey out of push for final spot. Wegians will be trying to get above Enniscorthy to avoid automatic relegation

    If Sundays Well dont win tonight they are relegated to junior. Midleton win and they get huge boost as they try avoid relegation playoff. Omagh in 9th and playoff spot. just point behind Ballina, midleton.

    Round robin starts tomorrow. change to old format. now being played in 2 semi finals in Double header in Coolmine Clogher Valley v Bective, Richmond v Creggs. winners play for a spot in AIL with runner up of that final in playoff with 9th in 2C.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    UCD 22 Trinity 19, Trinity had led 19-0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Sundays Well beat Midleton 24-23 to keep their hopes of staying up until at least tomorrow.

    Clontarf won 31-28

    UCD won colours 22-19 after big comeback

    Corinthians beat Wegians 31-27 in great game. Wegians were 17-5 up half time by 60 minutes were 24-17 down then in last 10 minutes got 2 tries to lead 27-24 before home side got 78th minute winner and then Wegians had a great chance late into injury time but k/o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Unfortunately Leinster pay their salaries and they felt they needed the group who would be travelling on the South Africa tour together for a game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Even when they’re already guaranteed first place in the table? Like the third secret of Fatima the way both clubs treated the game. Anybody know the result?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The final score was 43-19.


    Presumably to London Irish as it was in London and I got the score from their fan forum.


    Even if the game isn't important to Leinster the 2 match tour could be very important to the careers of the players involved.


    Of course they and Leinster want to put their best foot forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,151 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Right into final week for most teams.

    1A

    Clontarf are top and though mathematically can be caught. I dont see it. They need 1 point to secure 1st.

    Tarf are Home to UCD. Shannon are away to Terenure who are trying to catch Tarf in 1st. Con are 3rd and Young Munster 4th. Trinity and UCD could be caught by Shannon if Shannon were to beat Terenure and either university side dont pick up at least a losing bonus.

    1B

    Armagh promoted as champions. Belvedere and Highfield are in playoffs with 9th 1A. 4th is between Buccs and Wesley. Buccs host Armagh and Wesley are in Naas whove nothing to play for

    Huge game at bottom. Malone on 27. Banbridge 29 and UCC 31. UCC host Malone. Banbridge play Highfield

    2A

    Queens are top and play already relegated Dolphin in Cork next weekend so should win title. If they were to lose which is very unlikely Blackrock can catch them with a win against a Ballymena side with nothing to play for. Nenagh and Barnhall are level on points. Nenagh have much better points difference so as long as they match Barnhalls points next week they will play 2nd and Barnhall will play 9th in 2B in the playoffs.

    Dolphin relegated and Bohs 9th in playoffs with 2B

    2B

    Greystones champions and promoted. Corinthians 2nd. Dungannon 3td. 4th is Sligo now on 43, Wanderers Belfast Harlequins and Rainey are all on 42. Sligo play Quins, Rainey host Corinthians and Wanderers play Malahide whove nothing to play for. Wegians are point above Enniscorthy. Enniscorthy are in stones while Wegians are home to Dungannon. Cant see change of positions there.

    2C

    Instonians champions. Tullamore currently 2nd with Skerries 3rd a point behind but thats likely to change as Tullamore have Inst at home while Skerries are home to Ballina. Clonmel 3rd and Bruff 4th with Clonmel 3 ahead at moment. Clonmel play Midleton who are 9th and need a win to avoid relegation playoff and Bruff play Omagh who can be caught by Midleton as theyre 3 points ahead of the Cork side. Sundays Well relegated bar a very unlikely set of results as theyre points difference is 130 worse than Midleton

    Round Robin

    Clogher Valley beat Bective 34-19 and Richmond beat Creggs 14-11 so will meet in final on April 15th to decide who goes senior



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    All fine but I think where most people will have a problem will be that 3 contracted players were released to UCD. This seemed to deliberately favour UCD as the players selected in their place would not be ranked ahead of them in the Leinster pecking order.



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    I really supremely doubt that Leo & Stu Lancaster care too much about who won the Colour's Match.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Clearly the Leinster first team coaches had no interest. But UCD were favoured , whether it was by the powers that be, blazers or some officials, who knows? Trinity and Lansdowne by contrast both had important Leinster players involved in the A game who missed their clubs AIL matches. Both lost tight games. And the results may well impact on relegation or play-off places at the end of the season.



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    I really doubt anyone was "favoured" - UCD may have been more fortunate that for whatever reason the decision was made to leave Jack Boyle and Chris Cosgrave to play. In Boyle's case, they may well have felt he would start this game and get good minutes, whereas it's likely Ed Byrne started in London to get minutes into him.

    Sean O'Brien being there isn't surprising given he's leaving for Connacht - he's unlikely to go to South Africa in my view unless they need him.

    After that - the Leinster coaches just picked the players they felt they wanted to get minutes into, who are presumably going to play in South Africa.

    Other clubs who managed to win games were equally impacted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 axeldoonbeg


    I wonder what Shannon RFC might think of it as it enabled UCD to stay 3 points above the playoff game (as are Trinity).

    I think Leinster would want both of their Acadamies playing in Division 1A of the All Ireland League !



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