Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

banie01 · 26-01-2023 4:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120160968#Comment_120160968

I have raised that with him. He is in industry but still does his CPD to keep his RECI registration active 😉 But he has made clear that if he has the time to do it? It'll be a mates rate nicer rather than anything he wants to see lead to a side hustle.

con747 · 26-01-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161000#Comment_120161000

Have a read of this thread, a boardsie went down the DIY China route. https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058226147/diy-install/p1

micks_address · 26-01-2023 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161000#Comment_120161000

on the ber banie.. check out prices as ive seen anything from 250 upwards quotes so if you get a quote including it its a nice to have.. my crowd included the ber as part of the quote. they werent the fastest processing it but i think to be fair this is an issue of volume more than anything else.. they are flat out doing installs so there's a build up of paperwork.. i noticed some of the photos they uploaded to the seai of my roof wasnt my house at all but i guess the seai dont care.. the rest of the paperwork/pictures was all in good order. I'm locked into givenergy batteries with the invertor but ive had no issues with them.. and the sofware/dashboards/app seems quite good

DC999 · 26-01-2023 5:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120160968#Comment_120160968

AFAIK if the inverter isn't an approved one for Ireland, you'll never be able to get paid FIT. So excess solar is lost. Include that as a con when costing it. You need to submit an NC6 form to ESB for them to accept you as a micro generator so you get paid FIT. And there are only certain approved inverters on their list.

Others can validate what I said here. Could be nonsense

banie01 · 26-01-2023 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161251#Comment_120161251

AFAIK you are correct regarding the inverter needing to be type approved by ESBN. Thanks for the info.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161179#Comment_120161179

Thanks for that info Mick.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120161160#Comment_120161160

Con, the link is very much appreciated. Lots of reading for me there and in the threads linked off it.

HotSwap · 26-01-2023 5:55pm

I have the relevant certs for the huawei inverters I submitted my own NC6 (signed by a cooperative electrician). PM me if I can help

DrPhilG · 27-01-2023 2:24pm

Hi folks

Just a wee link for youz, a guy on the Irish Solar PV page shared this web app.

http://davidhunt.ie/solar/

Its basically the well known formula for pricing guidelines formulated into an app. Great handy little tool to make life simpler.

He's working on updating it to add in quotes that include BER and a few other bits & bobs but even to start it's great.

meelick · 27-01-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165241#Comment_120165241

Thanks for the mention, Phil. I've the BER added now, along a few notes.

Cheers,

Dave.

DrPhilG · 27-01-2023 2:39pm

Ah there you are, was going to tag you here but all good.

wait4me · 27-01-2023 3:02pm

Hope this is the correct place to ask - so Mods please move if not. Anybody know of Irish stockists of (5.3kWh) Weco Batteries and an approximate cost including (that dreaded three-letter word) VAT.

Thanks

HotSwap · 27-01-2023 3:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165449#Comment_120165449

https://solartricity.ie/weco-range-2/ - They prob won’t wanna deal with you though.

wait4me · 27-01-2023 3:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165583#Comment_120165583

Thanks - why's that?

wait4me · 27-01-2023 3:24pm

A guess 0- they don't deal with the public, only trade?

banie01 · 27-01-2023 3:43pm

Interestingly, I had a pm from an installer via the Irish Solar PV Facebook group and it's very much what I'd consider competitive pricing.

11 410w Jinko panels, 6kw Solis Hybrid inverter and 5kwh battery fitted and commissioned. Coming in at €8.8k after grant. Now Vis a Vis the self importation route, that pricing is in and around what I'd consider fair while offering the benefit of a local installer and a balance between them having a fair margin and the customer getting a bit of value.

con747 · 27-01-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165753#Comment_120165753

That's a good quote.

PCDub · 27-01-2023 5:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165753#Comment_120165753

That's a very competitive quote compared to the ones I've had.

EAFC_rdfl · 27-01-2023 11:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165753#Comment_120165753

Whereabouts is he based?

HotSwap · 28-01-2023 12:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165619#Comment_120165619

Even if your trade you might struggle. They don’t have the capacity to onboard new customers. At least that was the case the last time I was bothered to check.

Rogtronic1 · 29-01-2023 7:22pm

Hi all,

I have 2 quotes with more on the way but wanted to hear people's thoughts :)

Quote 1

3.2kWp System

10 x Denim Glass to Glass, Mono Crystalline 400w PV Module,

SolarEdge Inverter,

10 x SolarEdge S440 Power Optimiser,

1 x SolarEdge Import / Export meter

Pic is oriented with North at the top etc

€ 12,100 inc VAT excluding grant (won't guarantee SEAI grant due to being unsure they can stay within grant specs)

Quote 2

3.735kW of Solar Power

9 x Jinko (JKM415N-54HL4-B) 415 Watt panels

Huawei 3 kW Inverter

€8,450 inc VAT - €2,310 Grant = €6,140 final price

banie01 · 30-01-2023 12:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120168138#Comment_120168138

In the west, seems to work along the M17/N17 corridor.

HotSwap · 30-01-2023 2:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120174408#Comment_120174408

Quote 1 is expensive; but it’s a fully optimised SolarEdge setup. So it’s premium equipment; with full visibility of production down to the panel level. Also this is how he is able to do 3 different directions with a single inverter. Also I’d tell him to get out his measuring tape and make sure about the grant; you can’t take on that level of risk; it’s his job to do that as an SEAI reqistered installer. I’m assuming the issue is in relation to keeping 500mm from the edges.

Can you ask quote 2 guy to add some panels to the E facing roof? And up the capacity of the inverter to match. But he’s gonna have an issue with 3 different directions; he could add huawei optimisers here to make this fully optimized solution also; but that would make it more expensive.

note that in both cases your gonna have to use the manufacturer’s own brand battery if you wanna add one in the future

Rogtronic1 · 30-01-2023 7:17pm

@HotSwap Thanks for the advice. Very helpful :)

__Alex · 31-01-2023 3:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120094688#Comment_120094688

In the end I decided to choose the quote below. I paid a bit more for an hybrid inverter in case we want to install a battery in the future.

Solar Quote Analyser told me "Using the rule of thumb of €1200 per kW of panels, €500 per kWh of battery, that should be about €9600 for that system (after grant). That's a fantastic quote, go for it!" 🤣

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System size: 8KW - PV Panels – Leapton 400w by 20 - All black Panels / LP182*182-M-54-MH

Panel Mounting – Renusol

Inverter - Solis hybrid / RHI-6K-48ES-5G

Total cost: €11,700 including VAT.

SEAI Grant - €2,400

Price after grant - €9,300

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smax71 · 31-01-2023 5:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182464#Comment_120182464

That's a very good quote. Can you confirm if it excludes an eddi?

I've got a quote ballpark similar but incl battery

8.4kwp system - 20x410w panels

6kw solid inverter

5.1 dyness battery

Total €15k (€12.6k net of grant).

Might see if I could get a little more off

__Alex · 31-01-2023 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120183126#Comment_120183126

The Eddi and battery aren't included. Here is the original quote:

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System size: 8KW - PV Panels – Leapton 400w by 20 - All black Panels

Panel Mounting – Renusol

Inverter - Solis single phase 5G inverter.

Total cost: €11,400 including VAT.

SEAI Grant - €2,400

Price after grant - €9,000

Optional Hot water – €700 for Eddi Divertor

Optional Battery – Add €3,250 for 4.8kw Dyness

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I don't need the Eddi, and decided to start without a battery. I asked for an hybrid inverter, so they said +750€ for the Solis hybrid RHI-6K-48ES-5G, but finally asked only +300€ for it.

Ron. · 31-01-2023 10:18pm

Is there a formula to gauge the price if no grant is being applied ?

paruss100 · 31-01-2023 10:36pm

8 x Denim Glass to Glass, Mono Crystalline 400w PV Module (3.2kw)

SolarEdge Inverter

8 x SolarEdge S440 Power Optimiser

Ber assessment etc

10,700 ex grant

8,500 inc grant

Probably the most competitive one iv gotten, is the solar edge equipment really worth the extra?

A2LUE42 · 01-02-2023 11:19am

Just got a quote for this setup in East Clare.

7.0 kw solar pv system

17 x 415 watt Jinko panels

Van Der Valk mounting system

6kw Solis hybrid inverter

5kw Pure drive battery

Eddi Hot water diverter

BER included

Cherry picker

All associated electrics

Fully installed and commissioned

€15,400 inc vat (Grant of €2400 to come off the total, so €13.000 )

The estimated production per year is 6,157kwh

con747 · 01-02-2023 1:20pm

Here is a link to input your quote and see if it's competitive. http://davidhunt.ie/solar/ Bottom line though is try get it a bit cheaper. Haggle.

banie01 · 01-02-2023 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120165753#Comment_120165753

Quoting myself here for a little visibility if anyone wants to see what's my final layout and price.

Rather than put N facing panels on the back of my house. I've gotten the installer to spec the job with the 2nd string installed on the outbuilding roof and fed back to hybrid inverter in the house.

The shed is in use as a Mancave/Utility room and the height offered by it being on the top level of a split level garden falling towards the house means even with low winter sun it is unshaded. The cable run from the Shed back to where the inverter will be is less than 25mtrs so voltage loss won't be much of an issue.

It's 1300 more than going with 2 fewer panels and all panels on main roof. But I am hoping to be able to get 9 on the main roof rather than 7 and it's quite a bit more work than just doing 1 roof.

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DC999 · 01-02-2023 3:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120187259#Comment_120187259

Good outcome - fair play to you pushing to get a design that suited

SolarVirgin · 02-02-2023 5:52pm

Hi All,

Complete novice here. House is approx 2,800 sq ft single story. Mix of flat and hipped rooves. Proposed location is flat roof facing south. Dunno if it will take full number of panels or if some would go on the west facing roof. ESB usage is very high - between 7.5 and 9.5 annually.

Quote below, advice appreciated.

Description of Goods and Services Quantity Remarks Modules- 400w JA Mono panels with 25-year efficiency warranty and 12-year manufacturer’s warranty

16 x 400w JA panels

Monocrystalline =

6.4kwp system

Inverter –Solis 6kw hybrid 1x 6kw Solis inverter

with wifi dongle

Mounting Kit- Renosol roof mount As Required Tubs required for flat roof

Check Meter- 1x check meter

All required Electrical Work 1x DC ISOLATOR

1x AC ISOLATOR

1x Fireman switch

Batteries- Dyness 1 x 5.1kw Dyness battery

Solar Switch- for heating hot water

through the solar panels with surplus

power 1 x Eddi

Customer to get own BER post

Grand Total (including VAT) €14,300.00

Installer will claim the SEAI grant.€2,400.00

Deposit €4,000.00

Balance €7,900.00

Questions:

Is this price ok?

Do I need a battery - I thought current view was no?

Should I get a bigger system?

Rep of Solar as a service (ruled out due to cost) told me we are capped at 15 panels on our electrical connection would need to change to 3 phase from 1 phase if we went above. Is this the case? Is there much involved and is it a good idea?

Any comments gratefully received.

Thanks.

con747 · 02-02-2023 6:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192983#Comment_120192983

Put your info into this http://davidhunt.ie/solar/ It is a bit overpriced though but not way off. Not sure what the Rep was saying but sounds like BS. Get as many panels as you can afford in my opinion.

@Jonathan Maybe add the calculator to the FAQ sticky?

HotSwap · 02-02-2023 8:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120192983#Comment_120192983

Are you saying you spend 700-800 a month on just electricity? What about heating?

Do you have a hot tub / swimming pool? Just trying to understand where all the energy is going.

Do you have any land out back? Ground mount might be an option.

I think you need a bigger system.

SolarVirgin · 03-02-2023 11:17am

I pay approx 70euro a week on a PAYG meter in Winter and I would have paid less in the summer but we had two electric showers and have recently changed to pumped for one (second needs to be replaced) and this is being heated by timed immersion . My heating is kerosene (no natural gas in area).

ESB in 2022 was 8587kwh. The rate I pay now is .411 per unit. Tumble dryer at least daily is one use. Apart from that there's nothing obvious in terms of usage. Generally it's a 4 person household.

I'm open to a bigger system - maybe I could swap out the battery for additional panels.

Questions I still have are: Do I need a battery? I thought that was not necessarily advised due to the sell back rate etc.? Is the MySolar guy wrong on the 1 phase / 3 phase issue for bigger systems.

Thanks

freddy99 · 03-02-2023 11:41am

I have received a quote including a Renac inverter and Bisol 400w panels.

Could anyone advise me how the Renac inverter compares with Solis? Any info on compatibility with Home Assistant?

How do Bisol compare with Jinko N?

Thank you

graememk · 03-02-2023 12:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195526#Comment_120195526

Grid Limits:

Generally the NC6 limits to a 6kW Inverter, you can have more than 6kW of panels on it, (the limit is about 9kwp now,) The inverter wont ever produce more than 6, the top of the curve would be "clipped", But generally not a huge amount is lost, and more than makes up for it on the less than perfect days.

Installers generally wont go past the 6kW of inverters, as it makes life easier.

There are some thats limiting export and such, but that is still a grey area

There is an NC7 form (costs about 1000ish) which would officially let you export more than 6kw but most of the time its not worth it.

Feed in Tariffs:

Yes people are starting to get paid for export now, and its pretty decent. But if going no battery, you'll need a smart meter. otherwise you'll just get the deemed export. Batteries are expensive, but really nice to have. I'm still struggling to recommend them now with the feed in tariffs.

Immersion:

You have an immersion running your hot water tank on a timer. And you have oil heating. Could the oil heating heat the water in the tank vs using electric at 41c. Oil at €1.30 a litre is about 3x cheaper than running the immersion.

Would time of use/Day nightmeter (will be bill pay though) be suitable

(also have no idea how FIT works with PAYG meters!)

tonysopprano · 03-02-2023 3:43pm

Panel costs. This is the public counter cost of a 455W Panel in Leroy Merlin in Spain, just to see how much we are being screwed.

SolarVirgin · 03-02-2023 7:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195766#Comment_120195766

Thanks very much for the response.

Grid Limits: I didn't understand any of that.

Feed in tarrifs: yes, each supplier I spoke to said they weren't recommending batteries as FIT is better than generally expected. Ref the requirement for a smart meter - is there a downside to this? Is there an installation or other cost associated or are Electric Ireland fitting as a changeover without cost.

Immersion: we're currently using both a timed immersion and heating. Our heating isn't effective as it's a reasonably old system and requires leaving a valve half open to partially heat water. I think also the circulation pump should be replaced as the last rads on the line aren't heating. System has been bled / balanced etc. Really struggling to get someone who knows what they're talking about to advise on it. Had a couple of visits but no one follows up. So I think that's definitely worth exploring and maybe the kerosene is a cheaper option. I just was hoping that at least for the summer, the solar would supply all the hot water.

i don't really know if time of day makes much difference in this house for a day / night meter. Happy enough to move off PAYG - it suited for a particular period but could change easily.

Appreciate your help, cheers.

graememk · 03-02-2023 7:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197645#Comment_120197645

To expand on grid limits:

Inverter : thing that turns the solar power DC into AC for the house. 6kW (kiloWatt) is the most that can come out from the inverter, An immersion is about 3kW. Somthing that uses 1 kW (power) for an hour is a kWh (amount of energy) this is also a unit of electric.

solar panels are usually expressed in kWp (im unsure if its kilowatt peak, or kilowatt (of) panels)

you can put more than 6kWp of panels on a 6kW inverter, Its just that on the really good days, the top will be cut off your curve.

this is a day in may, I have 8.4kwp on a 6kw inverter.

Moving to smart meter/bill pay:

Need to refer to others, I dont think there is a fee, But have no experience of it. Do have a look around at all the rates etc. You should be able to move from prepay straight to a normal meter.. (and that will likely be a smart meter), Have a look at unit rates and compare.

quick google flagged this up https://www.simplyswitch.com/energy/guides/prepayment-gas-and-electricity-meters/how-to-switch-from-prepayment-to-direct-debit/#:~:text=First%2C%20contact%20your%20energy%20supplier,a%20credit%20check%20on%20you.

Oil heating

Ah Yep, heard of that sort of issue, Oil heating across the country is .. interesting, and a lot of the time its a complete can of worms, And someone could spend a whole day and still not figure stuff out. Yes balancing helps, Swapping to TRVs can also help.. Its V hard to really nail things down.

There was no such thing as hot water priority or a zoned hot water back in the day.

But yes, in your instance id recommend an eddi, to run the immersion from the solar, It may take a while to pay back, but will pay in quality of life.

Get a quote with and without batteries and go from there id say.

mingkim · 03-02-2023 10:00pm

Would appreciate if someone look at this quote and let me know if it's any good?

Jinko 405 watt panels x 15,

6 kw system

No battery

Eddie divertor

Price 13,190 euro

Less Grant 2400

Final price 10,790 euro

Excludes ber cert

It's a Solis invertor ..is this compatible with ESB networks for exporting to grid?

Also I'm on a day and night meter which I don't really want to give up forna smart meter.

Any help appreciated

jkforde · 04-02-2023 12:07am

@mingkim that's expensive tbh, maybe push for a few more panels?, include BER and grant application?, and just make sure they're not gouging on the Eddi price.

and yes, Solis is a common grid-tie inverter around these parts.. maybe consider pushing for a hybrid inverter as well in case you want a battery later?

http://davidhunt.ie/solar/

(@Jonathan include in forum sticky?)

bold_defender · 04-02-2023 1:10am

Hi All, a couple of quotes, awaiting one but might go ahead anyway.

I've a heat pump and contained hot water system so can't use HW diverter/Eddie. House is 2 story with plenty of roof area space and a fairly east west orientation. Chimney at south end of roof though, optimisers to be decided at install.

All quotes full amount before grant and include VAT.

Quote 1

16x400W Canadian Solar PV Panels 6.4kW

5kW GivEnergy Hybrid Inverter

9.5kWh GivEnergy Battery Storage

Quote Total € 15,833.39

Quote 2

A 6.56kw east west array ( 8 x 410w panels on each side) with Huawei dual 6kW inverter

ca. €12K incl VAT

A Huawei 5.2kW Battery, Power control module, smart power sensor will add ca. €6K incl VAT to this.

Total €18K (Note, these guys supplied the Heat Pump in house.)

Quote 3 (winner so far)

6KMp (16x370w JA panels)

1 6KW solis hybrid inverter

5KW dyness battery

BER NOT included

€13,150 (I had an August 2022 quote from same company and never proceeded for €12,750)

I've put this into http://davidhunt.ie/solar/ and saying lower end but could be better.

Quote only valid for 10 days and estimate late August install!

Regards battery vs FIT. One thing I was wondering about this is that a battery should provide power immediately after sunset, which during winter might get you over the 5-7 peak charging rate on smart meter? Is this realistic in winter? With a Heat pump a lot of my power consumption is during Winter. Cook between 5-7 with electric most days.

The devils · 04-02-2023 11:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120196799#Comment_120196799

Bought stuff from leroy before very cheap indeed and delivered 👌

Jonathan · 04-02-2023 5:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199422#Comment_120199422

Already in the FAQ. 🙂

con747 · 04-02-2023 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199730#Comment_120199730

Try haggle a bit on quote 3, I think it's the lads that did mine so I can't fault the work. I like the batteries because of load shifting and use in power cuts. If I end up with a smart meter it can be charged during cheap night rates and used during the day. Do your maths and see if it's worth it for your use of it.

coin · 05-02-2023 12:28pm

Hi,

I’m in the early stages probably compared to most but want to pull a trigger on PV this year. Have two quotes for 8kw system on an E-W orientation in midlands without batteries. Both quotes include hybrid inverter and control systems. We may look at batteries in the future.

quote 1:

14400€ after grant using Huawei components

quote 2:

12000€ after grant with solis components.

The plan is basically just use generated power for appliances etc in the house and to heat the hot water cylinder. It’s a big old farmhouse and average 1000kwh a month.

Any help or thoughts would be appreciated. I just hope any installation could be cost effective long term.

mingkim · 05-02-2023 6:25pm

Looking into solar PV myself..can't understand why it's so dear....16 panels@220 euro = 3520 euro ,say 800 for a hybrid inverter and 500 for an Eddie....that's 4,820 euro.brakets for hanging panels another day 1000 to be generous that's 5,820 euro and they charging quotes around 13,000 for two days work...it's not adding up ..where am I not seeing things?making 7000 profit for two days work ?? I know they might have a lad or two helping but that can't be more than agee hundred quid ?

micks_address · 05-02-2023 6:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205581#Comment_120205581

Well a lot of depends.. some installers use scaffolding which automatically adds 1k.. you aren't accounting for electrical parts like switches cabling etc.. plus at 13k you should be talking a battery which might be as much as 5k for 9kwhr you won't buy an Eddi for less than 700 these days unless you can get for trade minus vat

mingkim · 05-02-2023 6:58pm

Does you have to apply for the grant ? I mean if you got a registered electrician to sign off on the electrics and to fill in the form for exporting to grid you don't really need to apply for the grant ..? Correct ?

Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

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