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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    People are going to keep dying, no matter what the cause is, it's what people do.

    They need to stop pushing covid into the headlines and just get on with it, same as with the rest of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    People can be treated, vaccine uptake can reduce deaths, measures can reduce infections - of all diseases and health emergencies. It's the WHO's job to analyse, monitor and give updates. They are stating there is still a public health emergency with Covid. Which there is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭Widdensushi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    We don't need to see the WHO warnings on RTE and Irish media, we've served our time with covid, now off with you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    RTE and Irish media carry stories of interest globally, of direct or indirect importance to Ireland.

    This seems like an entirely reasonable article for them to cover.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I think we can all agree that Fergal & George both flogged the covid horse to death on RTE many months ago at this stage. Time to let it go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's the covid forum, strange place to be if you've "let go".

    It's an entirely reasonable article for them to cover, regardless of what happened prior.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    The covid forum should be on the way out now, seeing as covid is done. After all, there are other more pressing issues to worry about, can't we go just one day without hearing the word "covid" being mentioned on the radio or TV?

    However, since the WHO & media keep pushing covid, covid is still a thing, so the covid thread is the place to be.

    Where else do you suggest I complain about the media & WHO continuing to flog the covid horse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So you are presenting a total straw man case, that because there is still some media coverage of covid, other pressing issues can't be looked at also.

    A cursory glance at the headlines in the media refutes that. Covid is not headline hogging at the moment.

    RTE is regulated by the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland. You could start there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Japan removing the mask mandate now

    We dodged a bullet this winter with the unions looking for us to go backwards. They'd be calling for it every year if government gave in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Japan is just coming down from the highest number of deaths they had during the whole pandemic. That mask mandate really did work wonders





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I'm a simple man, and I have no idea what a strawberry man is, gaslighting or catfishing either for that matter... so many fancy words, all up there in the clouds with the educated people who frown upon us mere mortals, you know, the ones who are anti-knowledge.

    All I know is that covid is finished, and there's no point in complaining to officialdom.

    Why take the official route when you can just post on boards.ie?

    It'll all have the same net result anyway... Nothing changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I can tell a deflection when I see one too.

    So here's your example - that because there is still some media coverage of covid, other pressing issues can't be looked. And it is contradicted by the other issues being covered and given more coverage than covid at present.

    So spare us the simple man speech, it's just a deflection from when your argument has been disproven.

    If covid is finished, why are you posting on a public forum bemoaning that RTE is covering it?

    Your own actions invalidate your own claims

    You realise you can unsubscribe from this forum anytime you want. Nobody is obliging you to read it. If you think it is finished.

    And those who don't think it is finished, can continue to post away.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    Turns out the Japanese has people just like us. See if you can spot the problem in the picture in this news article.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/12/27/national/maskless-world-fantasy/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Say what now?

    More big words & phrases again.

    I'm not looking for anything I say to be proved or disproved, I'm here to discuss covid, complain about it even, because this is a free, public discussion forum.

    I don't care for arguments or proofs regarding my beliefs, I'm here in the covid forum to discuss covid, maybe even meet like minded "covid is over" people, and my position is indeed that covid is over, but you say that it isn't.

    Thankfully the government / governments don't agree with you any more.

    You say your piece, I say my piece, and we go our merry ways.

    I don't need to give proofs, arguments, statistics, etc, I'm just stating my beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Dear God, I can see at least two noses in that photo!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    But I read numerous articles stating that Japan and other Asian countries had 'beaten' coronavirus through their mask wearing, which everyone adheres to perfectly, unlike us stupid westerners. It can't be that it just wasn't true and masks didn't really make a difference could it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    But think about the unlimited number of deaths that could have happened without masks.....lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Japan had 67,000 total covid deaths from a population of 140 million, and Tokyo the most populated metropolitan area in the world.

    Considering their aging demographic this is a much lower rate than other large advanced nations.

    So they must have been doing some things right.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Almost as if masks reduced R to some reasonable level that allowed the healthcare system to handle contagious SARS-COV2 patients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I would credit the Japanese healthcare system which is generally accepted as excellent and the fact that their life expectancy is the highest in the world as far more important than anecdotal suggestions that masks helped towards the Japan death toll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    High life expectancy means more people in vulnerable demographicd for covid. Not sure what point you think you are making but it actually undercuts your argument.

    Have you any evidence they had high hospitalisations but lower death rates for such cases versus Ireland or France etc say that might support your argument re healthcare system?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    There are a multitude of reasons why Japanese are one of the healthiest and longest living populations in the world which have nothing to do with Covid. These reasons alone along with an excellent healthcare system throughout their lifespan (not just during Covid) makes comparing them to Ireland completely futile.

    But you probably knew that already and went with something else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    High life expectancy means large numbers of people in vulnerable demographic for covid. Theres a clue in your post - longest living. Old people still die in Japan of age related conditions - maybe thats a few years older in Japan than Ireland but it doesnt alter the numbers point given their demographic profile.

    There is also the mega city of Tokyo with its concentration of people.

    And Japan wasnt just compared with Ireland. You mentioned the quality of their healthcare system so implicitly you had in mind comparisons with other countries.

    You are unable to provide any evidence to support your claim of better hospital outcomes in Japan during covid versus elsewhere such as major EU nations or Canada. So it is without foundation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Not going to derail a thread any longer for an argument you've cherry picked. Ignore list is LONG overdue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,918 ✭✭✭Worztron


    I heard a segment of the The Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk about a week ago. There was a doctor on. They mentioned the low percent of 18~49 year olds getting the 2nd booster. I think they said 8%. Does anyone know what the current uptake % for that group is now? Any places that shows this data? Cheers.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It could be absolutely anything. Some countries simply count differently what is a covid death and what isn't. There are a million variables between definitions, methodologies, health care, age pyramid, restrictions etcpp. If we sat down in a group for a couple of hours we'd come up with a list that would stretch over the next ten pages. To pick a thing or two and say if we only we had done X or Y is like reading tea leaves. To conclude it must have been - say - masks is just unfounded pushing of ones favourite subject.

    Post edited by CalamariFritti on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    We can much more easily eliminate wrong answers, or those for which there is no plausible evidence.

    Which is what I was doing.

    Determining exact balance between different measures is obviously more challenging. But where we can say we have plausible basis for believing X reduces transmission and they deployed it more than their peers... then it is worthy of consideration.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,101 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Every country knew that restrictions and partial lockdowns would have knock-on effects and trade-offs, such as people missing screenings.

    However at the time it was a new disease, cases were spiking globally, deaths were rising, national health systems were coming under critical stress, we didn't have vaccines. It's just easy to nitpick with hindsight, but a majority of the public (and national health bodies) supported the actions we took at the time.



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