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5 Black police officers charged over death of Tyre Nichols

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    I'd usually be of the same opinion but this is different. The Memphis police chief herself has said there is no evidence so far as to the reckless driving that's Nichols had been initially stopped for. The poor chap was set upon for fcuk all reason and is now dead as a result.

    The fact that the cops all had their body cams on shows that some cops really feel that they will be protected by the blue wall of silence.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I stated that institutional racism has caused poorer outcomes for some black communities. Doesn't mean the crimes aren't being committed as a result.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Looks like the trolls have taken over the thread. Time to unfollow



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stripping an entire group of people of their own agency because of their history is incredibly dehumanising. You realise these are actual people you're talking about?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Stripping an entire group of people of their own agency is incredibly dehumanising

    It sounds like you're describing slavery. I'm out, as clearly you people aren't ready for the education that you badly need. The sooner this stuff is thought in school the better, as at least the next generation won't live in ignorance like the privileged people on this thread.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    The USA in ten years has gone from about 14.6k to almost 23k homicides.

    There was about 30,k suicides in 2000 and over 45k in 2018.

    Those numbers alone show a violent country 20 years ago gone completely out of control.

    A police force picked from such a violent dysfunctional society will be violent and dysfunctional and they certainly won't fix it.

    My sister lives close to and works in Baltimore, it's closer to Johannesburg than a European city in terms of things we here take for granted in terms of personal safety, use of common spaces etc. Huge numbers of urban areas in USA are similar.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Saying a group of people are not responsible anything they do because history made them do it is stripping them of their own agency.

    90% of black murders are committed by black people and you are sitting here saying the murderers are not responsible for it. Imagine your black child being killed by a black man in Chicago and some Irish guy is like, no that's not murder that's a rebellion against oppression, a struggle to remove the chains he still wears.

    Loonie tunes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    No one is denying that crimes are being committed, but I’m looking at the big picture here.

    Criminality is more common in the black community in the US because of the complete lack of investment in those communities by the majority white governments.

    Poverty leads to increased criminality and, in the US’s case (which is already a racist country), a minority of criminals within a demonised minority has lead to a culture of racism towards that larger minority.

    It’s a man-made problem exclusively maintained by stale, pale, and male white men in the US. These beatings and murders of black men by the white establishment’s paramilitary force (the police) is another symptom of the institutionalised racism I am talking about. Believing otherwise is simply racist af.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    100% agree.

    He was killed because he charged at guards with a knife not because of his skin colour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭FoxForce5


    We never see the same stats from Asian people. Why aren't white cops beating the crap out of brown skinned Asians.



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  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why are the vast majority of killings by the "white establishment’s paramilitary force" actually white people?

    You're saying it's racist as fuk to not view these black men killing a black man as a product of institutionalised racism, and just like the other poster, you are removing their agency as human beings. Malcolm X wrote a lot about people like you two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Why are the vast majority of killings by the "white establishment’s paramilitary force" actually white people?

    Because the “vast majority” of the US are white people.

    Despite that, black people are being killed disproportionately. 24% of people killed by the police in the US last year were black, which is some feat when you consider that only 13% of the total population is black (though I suspect you are already familiar with that second figure).

    There are huge swathes of the white population in the US who are kept in poverty by the white establishment but that doesn’t change that black men are disproportionately targeted by the American police.




    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/06/us-police-killings-record-number-2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,419 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    There were people salivating at the prospect of a hate killing at the time. Disgusting stuff.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Troll about trivial stuff - it's weird but your life.

    Don't use this horrific incident to troll though - ffs, that's warped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    doesnt mean anything untoward is happening, 'po white folk are more likely to be rural so are less policed , black people live in deprived urban areas so are likely to have more police. Its like Dublin you can tell if an area is dodgy by the size of the local Garda station....

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Easier to just quote my post from earlier to explain my full thoughts on this.

    An over-represented group in a minority of killings means something is up with that minority. You have already explained why crime is higher within black communities. Do you think this increased criminality, which is a result of institutional racism, could cause more negative interactions with the police, or does criminality simply not increase the number of interactions with the police?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Just watched an eight minute or so clip on CNN and that was a tough watch.

    That was not policing, that was vigilantism.

    Tyre Nichols was so calm at the start and the end of the video but for sadly different reasons.

    You have a group of so called officers surrounding him like a pack animals protecting a kill, and a voice repeating that "he is as high as a kite".

    It is disgusting. May he rest in peace and may some sort iof justice be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    100%. The incident also seems to suggest that if you work for a very badly trained, violent and institutionally racist police force, chances are you will start behaving like them, even if you are black or from an ethnic minority yourself.

    That's not to suggest that every police officer in the US is a violent, racist thug (far from it in fact), but there are too many bad apples at this point, especially in the poorer and more neglected parts of the country. It's hard to deny either that racism in general is behind much of this rotten police culture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Criminality does increase the amount of interactions with police, yes. However the American police are disproportionately violent towards black suspects, whether they have committed a crime or not.

    George Floyd had committed a non-violent crime prior his murder (paying with a counterfeit bill). Does that mean that he, a criminal, should have been killed on the street for it? I would argue no. I would also argue that the a white man having committed the same crime would not have been killed for it.

    It is a fact that black men are being killed disproportionately by the American police, it is also a fact that there is more criminality in the black communities than in the white communities in the US. There are two reasons for this: the black population is disproportionately kept in poverty by a mostly white controlled society in order to keep the black population under control, or black Americans are inherently prone to criminality.

    I believe the former, because it is the truth and I only deal with truth and not libertarian fantasies. Anyone who believes the latter is a racist, because it is a racist belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    I definitely think they should be treated harsher. They are there to protect the peace and then murdered someone.

    As I believe somebody who murders a garda should be treated more harshly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Should George have been left kill the guard and proceed to kill family members.


    No.


    Statistics show that white police officers killing unarmed black people in America is incredibly small. Minibus filling small in a country of 340mn.

    Police of any background killing innocent people is incredibly small, especially how armed, drug addled and violent American society.


    Lots of middle class White activists need a cause and adventure and that ends up with black communities having their shops burnt out. BLM destroyed a generation of black businesses in America. The rich white kids got bored, went home but the damage was done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I am speaking about the “trying to tie this to racism, endemic institutional racism.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,497 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Saw the video. They are some degenerates.

    One lad complaining about a sore leg after the victim was beat to a pulp.

    Another lad saying he is probably as high as f*ck when the poor man was incoherent due to his injuries.

    The usual 'tried to go for my gun' nugget at another stage.

    Blase laughing when trying to justify what happened.

    From the start, they induced panic and talked like gang-bangers. Hard to believe they were qualified to serve.

    In a split second, Tyre Nichols fled after being tasered. Think he'd still be alive otherwise. Complete and utter chaos in the most screwed-up democracy on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Streets be like that. Gang culture has become community culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Deub




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Statistics show that white police officers killing unarmed black people in America is incredibly small.

    Police of any background killing innocent people is incredibly small

    You’re hiding behind some interesting provisos there.

    George Floyd wasn’t “innocent,” should he have been killed the way he was?

    Statistics also show that gun ownership (legal or otherwise) is incredibly high in the US, where concealed carrying is commonplace is some states. If a black suspect is carrying a gun when he is committing a crime, should he be killed even if he is not threatening anyone with it?

    These are rhetorical questions by the way. My point is that you have manipulated “statistics” (not that you have cited actually any) to support your argument by cherry picking certain conditions.

    1176 people were killed by the American police last year, 24% of whom were black (out of a population of 13%). Those are the facts, without fluffing the conditions.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/06/us-police-killings-record-number-2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is a great video on YouTube, it's a black man in New York dressing down white BLM protesters, aren't they nearly all white, for spray painting his shop window.


    I'm not your holiday project, we don't need to be saved by you he says.


    It was so very accurate.


    They go home to Suburbia, back to College and daddy's firm, talking about their Summer of activism at parties. He is Left picking up glass and rebuilding a life for years to come.

    Solidarity dude.


    If it was the rare occasion of a white policeman killing an innocent black man the activist class would be mobilising, it's not, nothing in it for them, that was like so 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,743 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I think one of them is actually being genuine...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Deub


    The fact you don’t see it is worrying. The cops shouldn’t have done it in both cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    What was racist about the George Nchenko case?

    He had assaulted a shop manager, threatened others with a knife, tried to go into a house where there was a barring order on him and then he threatened Gardai with a knife and tried to attack Gardai with a knife.

    Are you suggesting he was only shot because he was black? Really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,620 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The insane OTT exaggerated mass hysteria about the U.S. cops and how they do their jobs puzzles me.

    330 million people, likely 1000s of police incidents per day, millions per year, dealing with so many different types people, weapons, differences, ethnicities and so on..many many dangerous people and dangerous situations being faced day in day out, and people never think of all the good and proper and correct job they do.

    No, certain incidents are taken and used to paint the whole system as bent, racist and unfit to serve..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,156 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I suspect though the problem is with individual state forces rather than the entire 'US police force'. I bet if we drilled down into the statistics, we'd find that certain states (or perhaps even individual cities) have a much higher rate of police brutality than other states or cities. So, it's not necessarily a country wide problem.....but the police culture in certain states is probably a horrendous one. The way they interact with people is something you'd rarely see in Europe. Those guys on that video looked and sounded more like a bunch of vigilantes or members of a drugs gang rather than police officers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    These 5 cops called themselves ‘the scorpions’ apparently. They were a rouge bunch of bad fu*kers who seemed to get off on violence. Poor Tyre was an unfortunate victim of these bloodthirsty monsters. If it wasn’t him that particular night it would likely have been someone else.

    America really has to make an example of these 5 cops. They should never be released from prison imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The unit was called "Scorpion".

    The whole department should be now open to a whole independent review with particular attention on what this unit did and what they were allowed do.

    This is certainly not the first time this unit have dished out a punishment beating evidenced by the wanton disregard for human life and their actions throughout.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    I can't wait to attend the solidarity gatherings in our Irish towns



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Watched the footage, just grim viewing ....worse than the George Floyd incident, this was pure torture of what appears to have been a man with no criminal record

    But one gets a statue to remember him by purely based on race of the event



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's a horrendous watch but unfortunately too common in America,pure hate by a bunch of goons in uniform,

    it wasn't race hate ,

    Just pure hate and unnecessary violence for a traffic stop, they sit him up against a car and start fabricating their stories about him grabbing their guns and resisting arrest,

    America needs a reset of all of their Police forces not defunding, complete resets and new oversights put in place and remove the need for grand jury's in cases of police brutality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Some campaigners and journalists are still claming that this was a racial incident even though the cops are all black ? Many others are saying that race needs to be kept out of this which I tend to agree with. It's police brutality in it's clearest form. There is no point in turning people against one another over this which is usually what happens in America.


    Probably not the best comparison to be using but I can't help but wonder are we supposed to think of these 5 men as something similar to Samuel l Jackson horrible character in Djanjo Unchanged who berated, belittled and abused people of his own race to impress his white master. Boyz in the hood also touched on it as well with a black cop who clearly hates black people. If so it's sad that's it's really come to that and shows how screwed up America really is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Definitely worse imo. The outraged instant act of physical violence from the start makes this more harrowing. And you probably safely assume it's not the first time these lads done something like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Nah. Possibly one of them could be such a character, but five who work together, not a chance. We will find out a lot more about these guys in the next few days I suspect and there are angles we are not aware of yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    Yeah now that the video has been put out next will probably be their service records and complaints ect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Man this post took a twist for the worse just at the end. Can we not just say they were both unjustified horrendous acts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,103 ✭✭✭amacca


    I keep thinking there has to be a lot more to it myself


    They didn't just snap and out of the blue do that....there's probably a string of stuff we are not aware of....


    Or there's some link and it's not just someone they hadn't previous with in some way....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Be right back


    No, there's absolutely no excuse for what they did to Tyre. None. Any mention about the paramedics who did not seem to help him at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That poor man.

    But what I still cant get over is what the hell these Cops were thinking.

    " let's beat crap out of him, kill him even, it will be grand sure"

    Did they think they were going to bed and get up next day and life would be normal again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Maybe the knew not to get involved out of fear ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,103 ✭✭✭amacca


    Read the post...point out what part of it says there is any excuse...


    Put it in quotation marks....


    By saying they didn't just do it out of the blue I'm saying there may be a history of them operating outside of the law they are supposed to be upholding, maybe moonlighting as dealers/enforcers or as some sort of self appointed vigilantes or as a gang of thugs hiding behind authority etc etc...


    By saying there's some link it doest mean I think they were justified in their actions....I just think its possible There could be a link...it seems odd to me they were so aggressive with him seemingly from the get go...I could be wrong but it doesn't mean in any way I think there's an excuse or it's justified.


    I'm getting really **** tired of everything being polarised...no one can have an opinion or thought without being bracketed into a camp or a side now ffs


    Everyone that asks a question or has a thought other than the ones you sanction isn't necessarily disagreeing with you, there might just be more than one way to interpret what they type.


    Try looking before you leap on occasion, it might serve you well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Maybe it's gotten to the point with police brutality that they can beat a person to death knowing that they are safe from any kind of prosecution or conviction,they will be backed to the hilt by their department,colluges and unions , they will be getting told that they have been fitted up and are fine outstanding people just trying to do their jobs



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