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5 Black police officers charged over death of Tyre Nichols

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,459 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Lots of protests now after the video was released. The big reaction with George Floyd came after the video was released as well. So it didn’t make any sense to you after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭satguy


    He did comply, they pulled him from his car, put him on the ground, pepper sprayed him and then tasered him.

    But if we are to listen to you, we complain the next day,,, But your in a coma and then die 3 days later,, And you still have the cops back ???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Been watching developments on CNN and have to say, what a loathsome news channel CNN is. You just know behind the scenes they are treading carefully atm when you know full well in days ahead they'll have someone on to argue that this is all about racism in the US police force.

    edit: I've never watched Fox News in my life as it's not on European satellite so if they are loathsome as well that doesn't negate my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Jesus, the riots over this will be insane I imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,190 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That bodycam video is very hard to watch. A totally innocent man being attacked by a bunch of out of control savages. Poor guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,828 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Seriously hope the sentences passed down are serious life sentences ie. No parole…

    the guy was not even close to being a threat to them or members of the public,

    Scumbags, neanderthal savages. Seriously morbid stuff..



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I really don’t understand why it was decided to publish the video like this. It’s clear that the usual suspects will use it as a reason to riot and cause destruction.

    CNN are making the most of it for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,828 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    White cops killed George Floyd… riots

    black cops killed Tyre Nichols…an assault 100000 more vicious and cruel, determined and targeted, rabid….. will there be riots ? we shall see… there are limited protests and there is limited civil disobedience, blocking of a bridge but no riots or violence so far I’m seeing reported..

    in a ways you don’t want to see violence as an answer to violence but it is strange that a community can get so up in arms by one killing and one 10 times as brutal go without similar….IF it goes without similar…



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I must be completely missing something but I am totally confused by the race angle on this. The police angle and brutality is 110% legitimate but this is 5 black cops killing a black man so I don't get why there would be trouble over race specifically. Wouldn't make much sense to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Just watched this. This is not second degree murder. Taking a run after backing up to kick someone in the head is premeditated.

    There is no race angle on this one. This is pure out of control individuals with a uniform. Scum in my mind.

    There is no humanity shown to this chap. I don’t know how his poor mother will cope with seeing this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A young man is dead from a vicious beating by thugs abusing their authority. A young man with a little child. It's just heartbreaking - the photos are gut-wrenching. It seems so wrong to use this lad and his horrific death as a political football, but it's inevitable. Fuq those scumbag cops anyway - what the hell is wrong with them? Like, they didn't even consider the numerous consequences.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If only these police hadn't beaten a young man to death, especially for a piss-poor reason. It's really not hard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭FoxForce5


    Luckiest man in America this morn is the white cop in the videos who stayed behind to look for his glasses and wash pepper spray out of a fellas eyes while the black lads chased.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




    I have never and likely will never buy the argument that America's cops are racist and target black people.

    A black American is something like three times more likely to die by police than a white American. But a black American is also nearly six times more like to either commit murder or be murdered. And it's over ten times more likely to be a black-on-black murder.

    It is not controversial to state that black Americans are far more involved in crime, as the causes of this largely come from a long history of institutional racism and its affect on communities. You cannot argue that racist institutions have resulted in poorer outcomes for black communities and then deny those same outcomes.

    The fact is 75% of people killed by US police are white. That there is one population group overly represented in a minority of police killings means there is something happening with that group, not that they are being targeted. That something is a higher rate of crime and interaction with police. It's so incredibly obvious looking at any stats about crime.

    If I go on a spree and kill 10 people in the US, 7 of them white, and 3 of them black, you cannot say that I am a racist who is targetting black people just because they are overly represented compared to their population. I am still killing 7 white people. I'm just a murderer who encountered more black people that day than the demographics would suggest I should have.

    In a country like America that is so socially segregated in many places, by far the biggest threat comes from one's own race. Black people are dying at extraordinarily rates, not because of the police, but because of each other. People who do their utmost to deflect from this reality are race baiters who want a culture war with white people more than they want to help black communities reduce this problem.

    When the stats are drilled into, the race of the police officer is largely irrelevant when it comes to these shootings. If you replaced the US police entirely with black people, the stats wouldn't change. White people would be killed more while black people would be more likely to be killed.

    There isn't a single white person in this story and people are still trying to make it about race. "They only got charged so quickly because they're black." is an absurd take. The police chief is also black.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I saw a BBC clip this morning, but very little on it to make any call. Has anyone seen a video that shows the reality of this arrest/asssult?

    just on a separate note: why do people in America, knowing the cops can be tough and firm, almost “aggravate” the cops and create a situation where the cops are then highly strung? They either start questioning the cops or disagreeing or try to be awkward?

    Just me, and I don’t live in America, but if cop there pulled me over. I’d shut my mouth and allow them to lead, do their job and hopefully all sorted. The cops have fooking guns, and the slightest volatility can lead to you being shot, or very roughly restrained/treated. Is it worth it trying to challenge/query it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The race angle is utterly irrelevant. But the usual suspects will cry and wail about BLM as they will about everything.

    The American police force has a somewhat worrying amount of low IQ thugs/dregs of society. Really should have better education process.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    How on earth can you not make a call? He was murdered. They are being charged with 2nd degree murder.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I know. I was wondering about the video. I don’t doubt its sincerity, I just haven’t seen anything in the video I saw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    There's 4 videos , think CNN have them , I didn't finish them all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ok, well I assume these cops will fight the charge and plead not guilty and give their story on why they did what they did. Without knowing all the facts, it appears they beat a man in a sustained fashion who was not a physical threat to them whilst they beat him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    2 have said they'd plead not guilty, from watching the videos I wouldn't be surprised if the other 3 pleaded guilty. This happened 3 weeks ago , there is minor facts to learn but not large ones. The police chief highly condemned the videos there was a lot of warnings before releasing them , they were terrified of the potential public anger. Those cops are going to prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme



    Tyre Deandre Nichols, aged 29, beloved son, baby of the family, Dad, keen skateboarder (step Dad always slagging him to give up Skateboarding at his age!), work colleague, avid photographer with a creative eye.

    “Photography helps me look at the world in a more creative way. It expresses me in ways I cannot write down for people,” he wrote on his website. He preferred landscapes and loved the glow of sunsets, his family has said. 

    “My vision is to bring my viewers deep into what I am seeing through my eye and out through my lens,” Nichols wrote. “People have a story to tell, why not capture it.”

    RIP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,989 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I thought the protests are always about black lives mattering and protesting against police violence.

    A black man has been murdered by police officers for no reason.

    Why would you not expect trouble over this.

    Surely black lives matter and not only when a white police offer is the murderer.

    I can't even bring myself to watch the video, let's hope they are locked up and the key is thrown away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There won’t be near the level of protest and media hype due to the cops being black. It doesn’t sell for the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    The body cam videos are messy, I didn’t think there was much to see there. They are interesting though because you can hear the dialogues and that Nichols complies and is neither aggressive nor abusive towards them. The pole camera footage shows him being held up and beaten up severely because he is staggering and keeps collapsing. I’m not sure if they have footage of all of them taking swings, but looks like all were at least complicit.


    As I said: I can see no good out of releasing the videos, especially not on a Friday evening. The stupid masses will use it as an excuse to riot and destroy as much as possible to vent their anger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Poor poor man. Must have been utterly terrifying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Watched the video. It was incredibly upsetting. Hopefully there are widespread peaceful protests which lead to change.

    The system of whyte oppression is churning out totalitarian aggressive police officers who target and brutalised minorities.

    Rest in Power, Tyre



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nothing whatsoever to do with “whyte” oppression. It’s this dangerous narrative pushing that is the real problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    The United States is institutionally racist. If you can't see that there's nothing I can say.

    We're not immune here either, as the George Nchenko cade highlighted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,605 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    Just me, and I don’t live in America, but if cop there pulled me over. I’d shut my mouth and allow them to lead, do their job and hopefully all sorted. The cops have fooking guns, and the slightest volatility can lead to you being shot, or very roughly restrained/tested.Is it worth it trying to challenge/query it?

    Sure, you are white though, so the chances of the police executing you are slim.

    It's one of the most worrying parts of the video, he did comply and not only that he was the only one trying to bring calm to the situation. It was clear from the first second that this wasn't an arrest it was a punishment beating.

    Fleeing was the 100% correct to thing to do, it's an absolute shame they caught him, apparently he wasn't far from his mothers house.

    There is no ambiguity, he was beaten to death, executed.

    He was kicked so viciously in the head whilst restrained that the scum bag limped afterwards.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Yes it is, because they are black faces of white supremacy. Trained to brutalize any minority they see. When you get your training from fascists you become a fascist, no matter what race you are.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    This case highlights a dangerous and unhealthy mob mentality within this group of officers. Nothing else. I really don’t understand why everything has to have a racist angle now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You’re peddling a narrative that the whole justice department (1000s a people) in America are all conspiring to train people to brutalise people based off their skin color?

    this mob hysteria is why there is so much hostility amongst people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The attempts to import other countries issues with race in the aftermath of George Nkencho's death were disgusting.

    The notion that George Nkencho was the first of many black people to be killed by the Gardai was nonsense then and remains so now. Several politicians made crude statements about racial profiling by the Gardai that have no basis in reality.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to use that situation as a make weight in this discussion.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    I think people probably don't think that this situation happens to a white person. All these videos we have seen over the years the victims appear to be black. Maybe the media just don't show all the videos of white people not resisting arrest and being murdered, I don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,709 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Why can’t this incident be treated as this incident: 5 cops, who very very unlikely “together” conspired to go out and do harm, or worse to another human being. A situation occurred, and escalated to a man being badly beaten, and who later died in hospital. Nothing at all to do with some inbred racial nastiness or racist institutionalism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Another person who doesn't have a notion what a fascist actually is.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    Was that the Irish lad from Meath who attacked a shop keeper with a knife and then lunged at armed Gardai?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Yes

    Whiteness creates whiteness, it infects everything. Any system that they create, infects ever person who's a part of the system. We saw the same thing early this week with the Asian shooter. Anti Asian hate pushed by the far right, made an Asian man kill his own people to appease white people.


    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭screamer


    I didn’t watch the video, I don’t really want to being honest but I did see his parents give an interview last night and his mother was just broken, and my heart went out to her. She recalled how broken up his body was, his head so swollen, what a horrific death he suffered. Regardless of his colour, his creed, regardless that they were cops or their colour, they beat him to death. They deserve everything they get, same as the killers of George Floyd. Humanity knows no colour, justice must be Served.



  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    This is such a simple framework of explanation. It reminds me of Ptolemaic astronomy or Aristotelian physics - ingenious system that appears to fit some of the facts, but woefully wrong in its predictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Look at how much more black men are in prison compared with white people, or how many get slaughtered by the police every year. Look at how so many more black communities in the US live in abject poverty compared with white people.

    There can only be two reasons for this: one is that black people are inherently more violent and prone to criminality than white people. The other is that there is a culture of inequality and institutional racism in the US towards black people in order to keep the white majority dominant.

    I’m not a racist so I believe the latter. What about you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    From what I'm seeing the race angle seems to be why have the 5 black cops being fired and charged so quick instead of the usual 6-12 months drawn out process. The lawyer of Tyre Nichols family even touched on this in a CNN interview.

    What's to say the District Attorney and Memphis PD wanted to nip this in the bud and been seen to do something fast regardless of the cops being black, white, brown ect ?



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some rando says it's about white supremacy and you just go with it? The latest news I've found is that a motive hasn't been found.

    I think you feel like you've stumbled upon some cheat code where anything in America or Europe can be pinned on white people. You're doing it here with black-on-black and Asian-on-Asian crime, without anything in either case having anything to do with race.

    Fact is 75% of police killings in the US are white people and unless you can explain the coexistence of that statistic and your assertion that the police are a fascist racist machine, you should do some reflection on where you get your news and who feeds you your whacky opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Somebody got a critical race theory starter pack for Christmas.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A history of racist institutions has created poor outcomes for many black communities resulting in higher crime rates.

    Trying to limit reality to two options, one which supports your argument and another which is obviously racist, is frankly a dishonest and fallacy-laden way to argue. Be better.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    It is impossible to deny the reality of institutionalised racism in the US without being racist yourself. Denying racism is racism itself.



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