Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

He's not an 'anti vaxxer'. Just covid mRNA ones. Do we label people with concerns about opioids 'anti painkillers' (Purdue pharma wish they thought of that that lol) or people who aren't sure about any particular drug, anti drug? It's ridiculous but makes people feel better I suppose

I'll take it that you cannot make your own assessment and thus cannot answer my questions. That is fine with me.

Look at the crap he is retweeting, another quack. Even so, perhaps his background in, oh, it's computer science. Amazed the ONS actually replied to this.

Meanwhile in Ireland:

The article is behind the pay wall, but Gript.ie has covered the gist of it:

https://gript.ie/huge-spike-in-excess-deaths-not-attributable-to-covid/

Gript is a far right blog site.

From the Times article itself:

"Ireland has seen a huge spike in excess mortality that rivals the peak of the pandemic — yet Covid-19 is no longer the primary cause of death, The Sunday Times can reveal.

"Post-pandemic pressures on the HSE such as treatment backlogs and a wave of late diagnoses allied to the added pressures on the health system of a lingering “twindemic” of flu and Covid-19 all appear to be taking their toll. The seven-day rolling average of deaths reported on January 9, 2023 was 152 — almost as high as the weekly average of 156 reported on January 29, 2021 — the peak of the disastrous third wave that triggered a six-month nationwide lockdown."

"Gabriel Scally, a professor of public health at the University of Bristol, said the rising wave of Irish deaths looked “very bad” in comparison with the UK.

“I am not surprised to see it in the UK but I am surprised to see it in Ireland,” Scally, who oversaw the CervicalCheck inquiry, said. “Whereas there has been a relative disinvestment in healthcare in the UK, Ireland has done relatively well in terms of their overall health performance.” There could be a variety of causes for this post-pandemic wave, he said, adding: “Excess winter deaths do vary depending on the pattern of weather and the pattern of circulating viruses, influenza being one of the most important. “Overcrowding in A&E could be part of it with people waiting for ambulances for hours or receiving ‘corridor care’. Long Covid could also be an influencing factor, having had detrimental effects on people’s cardiovascular and respiratory systems. Covid-19 could still play a role: with low levels of booster uptake and waning immunity there is a risk lower levels of testing for patients dying outside of hospitals, such as the elderly dying in care homes or at home, may mean it’s not being picked up.” The effects of the rising cost of living could also be a factor, he warned. “One of the problems with excess winter deaths is they are very heavily linked to social conditions,” he said. “It could be the fuel crisis, that people are being very limited with their spend on fuel; it may be a housing crisis, with low quality housing. There could be quite a number of reasons but we won’t really know that for some time until we see the cause of death data.” Reacting to the rise in excess deaths, Duncan Smith, the Labour health spokesman, called for the government to take action by reintroducing mandatory mask wearing in a bid to prevent transmission of respiratory conditions. The Dublin Fingal TD said: “The number of excess deaths must be a cause of concern for government considering the triple assault on our health service from Covid, flu and RSV [respiratory syncytial virus] “Last week I called for stronger and clearer public health advice including in the area of face masks. There is a clear lack of public health leadership from the minister and senior health officials.” David Cullinane, Sinn Fein’s health spokesman, urged the government to ensure there were adequate resources allocated to hospitals. The Waterford TD also said the public should listen to public health advice to reduce their risk. “Obviously we have to listen to that advice but also everything must be done to make sure we have the allocation of resources in emergency departments,” he said. “We need preventative measures, public health measures plus everything possible done to support those on the front line in healthcare.” An HSE spokesman yesterday said the Health Protection Surveillance Centre’s most recent data on excess deaths had shown “no indications of excess all-cause deaths occurring in Ireland in the last four weeks”. The spokesman added: “These data are provisional due to the time delay with death registration in Ireland. A country-specific adjustment function was applied to correct for the typical delay in registrations of deaths in Ireland. Nonetheless, estimates of excess mortality for the most recent weeks/months are reported with some uncertainty and should be interpreted with caution.”"

Similar to what I wrote (and others have pointed out)

It's a combination of things.

Yes, it's well known that something like an energy crisis can have an impact, the current one is no exception.

The point I'm trying to get to is that neither can be proven for definite. To confirm or disconfirm the role of vaccine as a contributor to an unexpected excess deaths a formal inquiry should be conducted and scientific methods be used to establish facts.

It should be of interest of everybody involved to get this done. The public, the health officials and more importantly - pharmaceutical companies.

The interesting thing about excess deaths is that it happens in majority of western countries and it happens across all age groups, with younger group < 44 years of age as one that is more affected than 45+. There have been attempts to appease public in those countries with varying sets of plausible reasons, including local factors. However most of those reasons do not seat well with the younger, more affected, cohort (i.e. heat waves, aging population etc.). There are other systemic factors at play that are common to all countries that are not being discussed the way they should. Taking the vaccines out of the equation would be a natural thing to do, so that we could get to the bottom of it.

Edit: source - https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/.

2018 - year with bad flu and heatwaves

What is not helping currently is a lack of interest and a total lack of action from the authorities to investigate it. Especially that severe adverse effects of vaccines have been documented (i.e. heart inflammation) and myocarditis is known to be linked to about 20% of sudden death syndrome in young adults. It is something that is simply more dangerous for younger people. In addition to that majority of the causes of excess deaths are linked to cardiovascular diseases.

Therefore there is an argument for some to claim that vaccines may be a contributory factor, and I can see why as it is easy to establish that correlation. Also, I do not see how we can dismiss vaccines without a proper evidence. Without a solid proof, it should be treated as a possibility. I mean, do we have long term safety data that includes multiple jabs?

I understand that while this possibility may be small we should know quantitatively what it is at this point. In my opinion there is no chance that vaccines have caused 0 deaths, just as there is no chance that they are to blame for all the excess deaths. People are dying due to unknown reasons, and the enquiry should establish how much to that is contributed by vaccines, so that we can get to the bottom of this and prevent those deaths.

I mean the world has stopped when people started dying of covid. Now they are dying of something else, and hardly anybody seems to be bothered. Strange to say the least.

Lastly, as for the duck analogy thing, the fact there is no evidence of an effect is quite different to saying that there is no effect. I thought, that is something that needs no explanation.

You added it.

A small study found consuming choline in foods is generally fine, but there could be a higher risk of blood clot if taking supplements of it.

Yeah it's just a bit of "mild" permanent and irreperable heart damage. I'm sure this must be the only person out of all the millions of healthy young people who received an unnecessary (for them) vaccine.

For young men under 40, the risk of myocarditis is higher after vaccination than it is after covid, and the risk is even higher in adolescents, particularly after moderna, which is why many countries stopped offering it to young people. A lot of young people will be walking around with heart damage and probably don't even know about it

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

Does it though? It says "these findings were consistent with fibrosis secondary to prior myocarditis". I'm sure you know that fibrosis is damage and unlike other organs, the heart cannot repair itself. Unable to repair = irreparable. So yes, he has irreparable damage which may lead to a risk of heart failure

They also come to the conclusions that "This case describes a patient with COVID-19 vaccine-associated myocarditis who had ventricular tachycardia up to 6 months after initial diagnosis." . But sure latch on to the previous disclaimer, however unlikely.

You have deliberately left out a crucial points in a bid to overstate the merits of your premise as well as presenting a strawman case.

Namely that the established risk is extremely rare.

And - who said it was implausible that 'any' young people have died as a results of vaccine related heart problems?

Well? It forms part of your premise.

What is said is that the premise re vaccines playing a non negligible role in the excess cardiac deaths is implausible because:

The risk has been looked into and is extremely rare.

And is less than the risk post covid infection.

"In the 1–28 days following the first dose of the ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccine, an extra two (95% CI 0, 3), one (95%CI 0, 2) and six (95% CI 2, 8) myocarditis events per 1 million exposed would be anticipated, respectively. In the 1–28 days following the second dose of mRNA-1273, an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million persons would be anticipated. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million in the 1–28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0