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Happy Valley [BBC 1] [** Spoilers **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Icsics


    That was brilliant tonight, so much going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Why would they pay out on a bet that you hadn't won?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I have no idea. It was literally about €5 or something tiny like that. I'm not a frequent gambler so I've no idea why it happened, but it did.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,620 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    ^^^Surely security would have been tighter in the court because TLR was already a prisoner? Was there a reason he didn't remain in handcuffs for the duration of the hearing? I'm not familiar enough with the law here or in uk to know what's "normal", but considering his history, I felt security was inappropriately lax. But perhaps deliberately lax in order for the storyline to work?

    Sarah Lancashire is brilliant, that's a given. 2 episodes left...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    It's a police drama. You can't take it that seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,620 ✭✭✭✭The Princess Bride


    What? You mean...it's not real?

    It has always been believable for me until now. (And if I remember correctly, security was tighter when he attended his mother's funeral in the 2nd series.)



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Episodes 3 and 4 have taken place over the space of a couple of days. So I'm guessing episode 5 will be Wednesday, and episode 6 will be Thursday, which is also Catherine's last day on the force.

    Two possible endings I've got are, the bad one, retiring police officer doesn't make it to retirement. Or.... the last thing Catherine does as a police officer is put Royce away for good, or kill him 😄 I can't see her deliberately killing him, but Sally Wainwright has said that there's a definitive ending to the series. So I think the end of TLR would be a more acceptable ending for the viewer than the end of Catherine.

    I'm not sure how she'd do it but it would be great if they had some kind of showdown and he actually admitted all the things he did to her daughter. And either she records it and gets to arrest and charge him for it, finally, or, at the very least Ryan finally gets the truth and once he's arrested and back in jail, doesn't want anything to do with him anymore.



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    The harsh way Catherine is treating Claire makes me think Claire will be killed off without things being ironed out between them - cue a lifetime of guilt for Catherine on top of everything else. It's that kinda programme unfortunately.

    @TICKLE_ME_ELMO - "definitive ending" usually means death. :/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Catherine Cawood is the Jack O'Neill of the West Yorkshire police. I fear for how many more 'Catherine is right' moments we're gonna get. You can stick your misplaced dogooding and..!

    Wankatron?

    The brief moments of little girl in the Hepworth family are still so sad. They pack so much into an hour, particularly in how much people tend to present themselves to the world. The leaving do dilemma was some welcome relief. Ryan, lad, please see sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭cml387


    When they walked into thehouse you were thinking "that little girl will be the first to see her mother dead". But no, that would be too obvious. There was another twist in the tale.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I guess it depends on what you think the show it about. I've been thinking rather than it being a case of Catherine vs Tommy in the literal sense, it's more about the figure of Tommy hanging over their lives since Ryan was born. Catherine trying to protect Ryan from him, both literally, and from knowing the full truth of what he did to Becky, has been the running theme since S1. So if that was the case, for me anyway, a definitive ending would be Tommy back behind bars and Ryan willingly cutting all ties with him.

    But we shall see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I heard them reference that, but can't remember actually seeing it in the show myself.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Final episode will air the night before the new public holiday - sweet!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That would be a lovely happy ending, but it's not that kind of show! But you may be right, hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Radio5


    Tracking Joanna's phone will lead police back to the house. Husband doesn't (yet) know it's still there in the kitchen. I knew the minute the cop mentioned the garage that something was significant in there.

    The scene in the traffic was superbly done, very realistic. Did the pharmacist's daughter film some of the row between her dad and Rob?

    The 2 guys starting the row at the Courthouse were like Dingles starting a fight in Emmerdale, very am-dram.

    I think the point about how it may end up between Claire and Catherine could be on the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭cml387


    It doesn't look too good for Mr Teacher:

    • History of controlling behaviour towards wife.
    • Seemed in agitated state e.g. after fender bender(didn't our pharmacist friend seem a very cool character all of a sudden)
    • Slow to report his wife missing
    • Wifes body hidden in suitcase in garage😮




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I think Faisel, who seems to have gone from bumbling idiot to master criminal overnight, will use the traffic incident to implicate Rob. Presumably there'll be house to house done, he'll say they had a run in that morning, he seemed agitated, the daughter's recording of it will back him up.

    We still don't know what the forensic results on the drugs will bring up. I know they conformed it was whatever Joanne said it was, but Faisel made a big deal about the blister packs being traceable. I assume that will be his undoing eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I think this could be a good shout....I still maintain, there is something off about Catherine's colleague...could she throw a spanner in the work.


    It seemed a tad far fetched with the escape (I dreaded it going the OTT way of line of duty)...surely he would be handcuffed in the dock...the lock down failing...seemed a wee bit far fetched (but then again seemingly as someone posted it happened before..but this fella is a murderer..Catherine's boss raised concerns).

    I am guessing Catherine guessed Ryan was at the trial...if not it would have been a two minute job to call the school and check.

    I definitely fear for Claire above anyone else tbh...



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    It's more of a people crashing into each other affair.

    How much of this can be proven? Aside from Joanna's parents and Catherine's observations that she was vulnerable.

    Faisal was very calm, given what's on his conscience. I wonder if the gang will get him first.



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    Just an aside: wasn't the fender bender the teacher's fault as he didn't have his eyes on the road? And he's arrogant enough to pretend it's someone else's.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Yeah, I think that was the point. It was showing even more of his character there. He's so arrogant and used to bullying people into submission, usually women and children, that he thinks he can do it in all situations. I think that's why he didn't mention the suitcase to the police too. You could see him notice it while the officer was still there, but he's so full of himself that he probably assumed it was Joanne hiding stuff to make it look like she'd left or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭cml387


    Faisal is in a very good position now, especially since his persecutors Pebbles and Bam Bam are most likely going to be charged with aiding and abetting Tommy Lee's escape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Radio5


    I think the lock on the fridge door might not help the teacher. The cop noticed it while they were talking. I assume they'll have specifically trained officers to speak to the children and they could learn a lot about his bullying and violent behaviour at home.

    Still not sure why Catherine's colleague was shown to be so interested in the lab results.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I wonder if she's been buying medication from Faisel too? They mentioned in the first episode how Claire's support group were seeing more and more people addicted to prescription drugs. Maybe there's another tie in there?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Very good shout...she has been jittery and nervous



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    Any idea why the little girl won't take off her coat? Eating disorder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Radio5


    I saw a comment from someone on another forum or elsewhere that it relates to her experience growing up in an abusive home. Apparently keeping the coat on is a recognised behaviour children develop, as if trying to have an extra layer to protect themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Could it be that they were simply trying to set up her recognising the name when her parents came to report her missing.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    That's very possible. I find with Happy Valley that a lot of the theories people come up with are overthinking things a bit. I do it myself, and then laugh when the show goes for the most obvious thing, but does it really well. It's something I appreciate about it actually, how "simple" it keeps things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    Very interesting, sort of like the way people who have been through a very traumatic experience can often become hoarders, and try to insulate themselves from the outside world, by filling there homes with newspapers etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,629 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Dare I say that tonight's episode was slightly underwhelming? Know its building to the finale but found it a bit slow

    There's an awful lot of stuff to tie together in the final episode



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Missed the first 10 minutes, can anyone give me a brief recap. I saw from where Catherine was having a go at the alien guy outside Hepworth's house. What was that about? Did Hepworth call the police himself? And did they show Catherine finding out about TLR's escape?



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    Catherine's reaction to Royce's escape was uncharacteristically toned down. I was looking forward to her hitting the fking roof, buoyed up by her anger at the alien thing, and upset at Joanna's death.

    It was a bit of a different episode all right. I have to fast forward some Royce bits. Can't handle the evil bastard. What a brilliant actor James Norton is.

    Awful cruel rant from Ann to Ryan - talk about driving him into Royce's arms. And awful cruelty from Catherine to Claire too.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I feel like Anne's rant might be what saves the day, in a weird way. She definitely shouldn't have done it in that way, but as smart as Ryan is, I don't think be ever really realised the extent of Tommy's actions, and the impact they had on his family. Him realising how much Catherine really has done for him, i think, could be what makes the difference in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Radio5


    The thing about the UFO police job was a spoof but that officer took it seriously and applied. He found out it was a joke and now he's complained Catherine and her boss for bullying (I think) and racist behaviour.

    We weren't told but it seems like Hepworth called the police himself.

    Richard phoned Catherine from Leeds train station as he & Ryan were heading back. Catherine was just leaving the police station going out to Hepworth's house. Her reaction seemed low key alright.

    At the train station Ryan spotted one of the guys who started the fight in the courthouse. He took a pic of that guy and he or Richard sent it to Catherine, who identified him as one of the guys driving the hatchback near the house that was raided a few episodes back. Incidentally Anne mustn't have checked the reg of that car, we saw Catherine give the reg number to a CID guy again last night.

    Mrs Faisel and daughters may lead the police to him by mentioning the car incident. The CID man said they were looking for the source of the prescription meds Joanna had and lo & behold, here's a local pharmacist living nearby and having a row with the husband (whom police may think knew or at least have suspicions as to her meds were coming from). The car prang and row could make Hepworth look bad but it could work the other way also.

    Darius may well be the key player in the final episode.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Thanks for that @Radio5 .

    I think you're right about Ms Faisel and the girls too. I think Faisel is going to try to keep out of it entirely, which is suspicious in itself, and if the police can trace the pills back to him, then it'll look even worse. I think the syringe is important too. The little flashes of Faisel in the kitchen showed him throwing it in where Joanne's phone is too, so presumably they'll find that and maybe be able to link it to him too? Not sure a syringe is something everyone has easy access to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,210 ✭✭✭jos28


    Fantastic viewing on every level, I was exhausted after watching last night's episode. I think Ryan will save the day and shoot TLR. I think Anne's rant struck home and Ryan realised that the only one who really looked out for him was his Granny. I think he'll go along with Tommy and trick him into thinking he's going to Marbella. There'll be a showdown and Ryan will save Catherine and shoot his Dad. I also think that Claire will overdose and die and Catherine will be wracked with guilt. Just my tuppenceworth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭cml387


    Funny you should say that. Mrs CML387 fell asleep during the episode and woke up two thirds of the way through. When when asked what she'd missed, I couldn't think of an awful lot. The posters above have supplied great food for thought though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,549 ✭✭✭cml387


    A lot of wine being drunk in this episode.

    Catherine's ex's wife was quaffing one and let Ryan wander off (Catherine's verdict: "you’re a pissed-up, lightweight, empty-headed … noo-noo"), and so was the newly upgraded to CID policewoman who gave Ryan some devastating home truths. I had a glass of wine in my hand at the time as well to complete the set.

    It also doesn't look like there'll be a reconciliation between Catherine and Clare. Calre looks completely and absolutely shattered. Even though she doesn't have that many lines it's a masterclass from Siobhán Finneran.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,395 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    That sounds like a good call.

    I definitely fear for Clare..


    Terrific episode I thought...some great dialogue...Annes rant was brutal..as was Catherine's to Clare, a lot to pack into that last episode but seemingly it is a good bit longer than a normal episode.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    It's only about 10 minutes longer.

    I think they'll wrap the Faisel/Hepworth stuff up pretty quickly. We saw the detectives prioritise finding out where Joanne was getting her pills last night. Faisel seemed to think that was something pretty easy to do, so I'd assume they'll be onto him right away.

    I have no idea how/if they'll "fix" everything between the family, even if Tommy gets taken down and sent back to prison. It all feels a bit too far gone for a quick apology and hug between Catherine and Claire, I fear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,210 ✭✭✭jos28



    There was a character in the film East is East who permanently wore his coat with the hood up. He was the youngest child in that mental household. I thought of him when I saw the little girl in Happy Valley.




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    I've been thinking that for a while too about Claire - although something like that from the series Unforgotten (which features cast members of other Wainwright shows) is what made me think it, and Sally Wainwright isn't one for what's already been done.

    But Catherine is so savage to her, it's the kind of show that'd make it come back to haunt her. Overdose - yeah good shout. I was thinking maybe Royce will kill her.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    I was just thinking there that there's no way Tommy would go after Claire because he doesn't even know who she is, but then I remembered she only bloody went to see him in prison! So he knows her, and Neil on sight.

    I can't see him setting out with a plan to hurt anyone, other than Catherine, and even then he might have listened to Darius and be happy enough just taking Ryan away. I think Ryan will lead him on a bit, or flat out turn him down, or try and talk him out of running, which will be what turns him back towards his vendetta against Catherine.

    I can't really see why they'd reinforce that wedge between Catherine and Claire last night if it wasn't leading to something. I'm not sure Wainwright does red herrings, does she?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭cobham


    Yes I am worried for Claire... perhaps she will get caught in the crossfire? take a bullet meant for Catherine, sacrifice herself? I found last night too much and had to take a break midway. So the young police woman is Catherine's son's partner... took a while for that to drop. Dont you love the music?



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    Yes, the town's tycoon Nevison Gallagher's daughter, who was kidnapped in series one and abused by Royce, is now a detective and engaged to Catherine's son. Tough lady.

    Yeah the music is great. Opening song by Jake Bugg is excellent, and the soundtrack is great - captures the mood perfectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Deregos.


    I loved Unforgotten, much like Happy Valley it was an excellent, 'can't miss', gritty bit of TV viewing. I'm not to keen on dramas that tend to stray far away from the main story line, and resort to fluffing them out with silly romances.

    Unforgotten is returning later this year with Sinéad Keenan taking over the reigns. Chris Lang is another very talented screenwriter so it should be good.

    It'd be great to see Sarah Lancashire and Nicola Walker working together again, there's some speculation Sally Wainwright is planning some more episodes of LTIH later in the year.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    3.05. "Slow" - no. It had moments of breathing room - the chat between TLR and the other bloke in the van was one. Very tough episode because again, it's the extent to which people can hurt each other, Catherine and Claire, Ann and her rant and "not wanted" to Ryan (credit to the bloke who plays Ryan re his body language here). It must be wrenching for Catherine knowing her world has been shaken again. Hopefully Ryan's copped on a bit. Talk they've filmed multiple endings, so the cast don't know what's going to happen.

    Still, we had the aliens once more and some mid-convo grammar edits, eh?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭cobham


    Thanks for reminding me of who Nev was..... It is too long ago now since I saw the first episodes. I wonder if Netflix will pick them up now?



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