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P2P Lending

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  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭superd1978



    So what happens in the case of defaults. Do you just point blank absorb the loss? Does this new regulation offer some incumbency on the intermediary i.e. Mintos?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    Basically yes.


    They talk a good game about gauranteed buybacks, debt collection, legal actions etc. but at the end of the day, YOU as investor carry all loses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,394 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    I did terrible because of covid, after many stressful month's of trying to pull out my money I think I ended up accepting a 10% or so overall drawdown, but I was just happy to of got back that much of my original capital. I've said it many times before here, p2p the lenders are taking on 100% of the risk, the borrower's or facilitators can wriggle their way out far too easy, the 10% or so roi that you might get is nowhere worth the risk of losing a significant amount of your capital if your unlucky, stick to the likes of a mortgage trust fund if you want a simple stock market investment fund that is reasonably straight forward for tax, and dollar cost average into that, put your money in across like a year or so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭jams100


    Agree with this.

    One of the main problems is also if a lender defaults on their loan you can't write of those losses against other gains. For that reason alone I wouldn't go near p2p lending if your a tax resident in ROI.

    I've gotten most of the principal I invested 2 years ago back but had I have put that money into "safe" equities I'd safely be up about 20% (before CGT obviously).



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭superd1978


    When you say "safe equities", do you mean property, stock etc?

    I wasnt aware of that regarding the tax. That seems pretty ridiculous. Thanks for the insight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭massdebater


    Do you have any more info about loan defaults not being tax deductible in Ireland? Is that across the board or just in certain situations?

    I remember looking this up before (not in Ireland), and loan defaults weren't tax deductible if it was a late payment, however, the moment legal action was taken against the defaulted party to recover the funds, they're considered "unrecoverable" and they're then tax deductible. And if the funds are recovered in the future, they would then be considered as if I earned interest at that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    I have been investing in PropertyBridges pretty much from the beginning. In that time there has been one difficult loan which as far as I can see they are dealing with quite efficiently (not fully resolved yet). The fact that they have first call on the properties, with a relatively low LTV, should make the investment reasonably secure. Needless to say there will be some delays in finalising some repayments but you continue to receive interest on any late repayments. I have found them reasonably good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭superd1978




  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭AnF Chuckie egg


    Looks like anyone who has Invested with Mintos holding Russian loans are going to get fried. Mintos cannot list these anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,840 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Has anyone ever tried Flender as part of getting a Business Loan? Looking in the region of €40,000-€60,000



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    I decided to dip my toe back into P2P.

    Mintos first up, still trying to get to grips with their switch to "notes".

    Is anyone still using the likes of PeerBerry, Swaper, TWINO, Viventor, Bondora etc? They gave a nice return in the past. Edit: ViaInvest is another.

    I must take a look at how the likes of Envestio, Grupeer, Fast Invest etc court cases are progressing. Maybe one of you has a brief update (without giving private legal group details)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    They gave fantastic returns back in the day, but tread carefully is my advice now, a lot of those P2P lenders got badly burnt by Covid and again recently by the Energy/inflation crisis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭brianomc


    While some I used struggled but kept paying through covid, the war in Ukraine has stumped them.

    Mintos, the guarantee wasnt a guarantee. Havent been paid a bean in around a year and a half now.

    Peerberry are still dripfeeding payments through, but no interest on these payments.

    Swaper and Robocash still going strong for me and I still reinvest with them, possibly throwing good money after bad in the long run if a recession kicks in.

    Of course you might find that loans outside Russia/Ukraine do fine. As do I with my Swaper/Robocash.

    i havent added new money since Jan 2020 and dont intend to either



  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Salvadoor


    Who/Where did you invest with/in on Mintos? I've been paid regularly but slowly on Mntos with a large amount in "Pending payments" that is reducing week over week? I've a small amount classed as "In recovery" which is all Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Aye, I (mostly) got out in time just as COVID crisis started thankfully. Had a couple k left in mintos (Monego) but I've actually received about 95% of that back already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭brianomc


    Finko, Minego and Alexcredit are the three I am stuck with. In the grand scheme of things its a small amount, €63 between the first 2 and €280 the third, which are Ukrainian loans so my hopes arent high on that one.

    Mogo and Delfin are 2 others I was invested in but was paid in full. I think Mogo buying back loans at high percentages and putting lower ones on sale helped me decide to stop too. It was a risky investment and one I always knew there was no real guarantee of seeing payments so I’m not upset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Were/are there issues with Mogo or Delfin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Looks like Lenndy is unable to act on behalf of Lenndy investors. You have to make your own claim to the insolvency administrator by 12th Nov.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Lenndy is unable to act on behalf of Lenndy investors against "Giantus Finance" (the previous notice was against "First Finance" only).

    You have to make your own claim to the insolvency administrator by 28th Nov. Notice on their blog. https://lenndy.com/blog/78



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    DoFinance legal action has started for those who had money invest with dofinance. There is a public and private group on Telegram.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Viventor has gone into insolvency, although it was flagged in early December. I presume to dodge any legal action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Lenndy update - First Finance/SOS Credit insolvency has been approved. Creditors started getting emails yesterday. Looks like investors won't get very much back. 340k pot for nearly 12 million claim - ouch!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Hi started investing in propertybridges last year. Overall experience is great. Just a quick question to anybody using them. Do you know where on the Tax return (Form 11) does this type of income go. Do my own form 11 for rental properties so know my way around it, but just can't make up my mind for propertybridges interest. Will contact revenue if can't get a clear answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    They are registered in Ireland? so I presume "untaxed income arising in the state". The interest is treated as income tax. Revenue info on P2P lending:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Thanks for the reply and the link. I have gone with this, which seems to be correct.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    I include it in 'Income from sources not shown elsewhere'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Ok thank you for the reply. What do you put in for details of Income sources? Thanks





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    PropertyBridges - it's only an explanation. Important thing is you are declaring it and it is being taxed appropriately. I think I asked someone in Revenue where I should put it backintheday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Wizz Air suspending flights in Moldova, tensions escalating in countries surrounding Ukraine. Might be time to sell off any loans in Moldova! 🤨



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13 panoramix


    Does anyone have any update on Grupeer?

    Or how would I go about finding more about their current status?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭feelings


    Join the legal case. https://grp5612.org/

    Lenndy just up and closed the website recently. Legal case ongoing.

    DoFinance just closed their website this week as well. Legal case ongoing.

    Did investors ever recover any funds from WiseFund or Envestio - I'm not sure if those cases are still ongoing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Daddy Ireland


    Anyone invest with Property Bridges ? Are they risky even though projects seem well covered through security ? Looks like just one project so far has turned sour.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,334 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Ask yourself why are the projects borrwing from P2P at a higher rate rather than from a bank? Because the bank has turned them down in the first place. Hence do you feel comfortable to lend out money to a project that a bank has turned down for being to risky (or the investor refusing to accept the required  collateral/interest rate)? If so; go right ahead.

    Post edited by Nody on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Look what happened to Banks, Insurance Companies and so on during the last recession. Do you avoid all of them now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Your first question is does anyone invest with Property Bridges. So far no one has said they have.

    So I will give you an honest answer, yes I do invest with them for the past 2 and half years. I find the platform great, they are very helpful when I contact them. The projects have all information needed for you to make your own financial decisions. There is risk involved but that goes with everything these days. I receive interest every 3 months in my account. I was paid back in full for 3 projects so far and sent my money back to my personal bank account within 2 days.

    So projects are development and some are bridging loans.

    They secure the loans against the land or other properties the borrower might have. They use a first fixed charge, like any bank does on a mortgage.

    You pay income tax on the interest earned, file with with a form 11 or 12 depending on your own situation.

    You can start off with €500 and see how it goes.

    The old saying for any investments are don't invest money that you can't afford to lose.

    Hope this helps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    I also have invested with them, pretty much from the beginning, and have found them very professional so far, as you say just one project turned partially sour, the LTV is generally pretty good which should give one some confidence. Needless to say I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in that particular basket but a useful and interesting (I can go round and look at how my money is coming along in the construction) odd egg hatcher nonetheless.



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