New doubt cast on Ireland's hottest temperature

M.T. Cranium · 22-07-2022 1:49am

I think some have a false impression that late 19th century measurements were flawed in some way, the science was well developed by that time and as we can see from the discussion here, the relevant authorities took care to maintain a clean shop. Even back to the period 1840-1860 I think the observations were done by very reliable people using more or less the same methods that are approved nowadays. And there was very little tarmac around in those days to contaminate readings.

If you've followed by research threads and gone over to see the Caswell (Providence Rhode Island) obs you'll see what I mean. That individual became a key part of the Smithsonian Institute and their standardization of weather observation in the mid-19th century. This was either parallel to, or a foundation of, the British system. I trust the numbers. Even back to the 17th and 18th century the numbers seem generally reliable since they tend to be correlated with what we know about agricultural issues. Of course, it's also part of a great unknowable, so we shouldn't stress too much about it.

Gaoth Laidir · 22-07-2022 4:09pm

A snip of the soil-types around the Kilkenny area. The castle lies within Zone 30, the sandy peaty grey brown podzolic soil that constitutes just 2.18% of the total area of the island of Ireland.

I don't have the rainfall data for Kilkenny Castle itself, but looking at other stations, 1887 ranked well up there in terms of drought, second only to 1921 in most cases. I wonder what the temperature data for 1921 showed for Kilkenny Castle. Of course, even with very dry sandy soils, they still needed the same clear skies around the Solstice as 1887 to generate the maximum heating possible, something that may not have occurred in this year and therefore didn't beat the 33.3. Does anyone have a source for the Kilkenny Castle rainfall and temperature dataset?

On another note, imagine what we'd have to listen to if droughts of this magnitude occurred today?

Gaoth Laidir · 22-07-2022 4:48pm

Just for interest, graphs for Birr, Enniscorthy and Mullingar for April, May, June and April-June precipitation totals from 1850-2010.

sryanbruen · 22-07-2022 5:33pm

Kilkenny Castle to my knowledge ran from 1884-1900 (temperature starting 1886) so was not in operation during the dry year of 1921. Also, I have done a post before on a notable warm spell in July 1921 which culminated in Killarney achieving 90F which would stand as the July record in Ireland until 2006 and subsequently 2022. This post can be found here. Note all the embedded charts I shown have been removed as of the new Boards.

Here's some of the maxima from 1921 (Celsius converted from whole Fahrenheit). All these figures are taken from the Met Office monthly weather report for July 1921. The warmest days tended to be around July 9th-13th with some exceptions but all places had their highest temperature of the year in July.

The Kilkenny station with a 30.0C figure in the map above is different to the Castle and has the co-ordinates: 52°39'N 07°14'W.

The same report gives the following rainfall totals by month in 1921 for the Kilkenny station named above. 44mm was recorded on 28th July alone.

Jan 88.4mm Feb 44.2mm Mar 67.3mm Apr 15.7mm May 49.0mm Jun 6.6mm

Jul 91.4mm Aug 115.3mm Sep 33.3mm Oct 61.2mm Nov 87.4mm Dec 28.7mm

Annual 688.5mm

This appendix of old Met stations gives the co-ordinates and elevation for Kilkenny Castle. I have also been onto the Met to see if they have a photograph of the Castle around 1887 as per what StratoQ said. Will wait and see if they will provide anything to aid this never-ending debate.

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Danno · 22-07-2022 5:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373677#Comment_119373677

The castle and the grounds itself sit rather high above the surrounding city and I suspect on top of a sandy ridge. This photo from the top of John's bridge, well above the river level:

This next photo is an aerial shot showing trees along the steep decline from the rear of the castle grounds down onto the river bank.

Know this area reasonably well.

Gaoth Laidir · 22-07-2022 6:04pm

Thanks, Sryan. I see that the station altitude is 55 metres amsl (180 ft). The 25-inch maps very accurately gave spot elevations in feet along the roads. The road running NW-SE to the south of the castle below shows spot elevations of 169, 179, 192 feet along the way. Taking the land near the 179 spot, maybe the area circled in red more accurately describes the possible area, in the gardens? I have never visited the castle so I have no idea how undulating the grounds are. Does the ground fall down on the easterly part of the grounds?

Danno · 22-07-2022 6:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374112#Comment_119374112

Here is a decent enough panoramic Google Photo from inside the grounds - it's fully open to the public too if you ever get a chance to visit:

https://goo.gl/maps/hkytey87snzom88s9

Looking at the ridge on the lawn with the castle to your back, it falls off down as one heads east.

Gaoth Laidir · 22-07-2022 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374203#Comment_119374203

Thanks. I certainly will be visiting it, it looks stunning.

Maybe Sryan will receive those photos and we can all put this to bed once and for all...

magicbastarder · 22-07-2022 6:40pm

last time i visted kilkenny castle there was a meteorological themed art installation in one of the basement sections; but that was probably five or six or more years ago.

John.Icy · 22-07-2022 7:17pm

I would note; if the station was the rose garden side, I feel like Scott would have noted the confines of the space perhaps, more specially than just trees on the north. In his inspection notes for the old Dublin Fitzwilliam Square station, he constantly referenced it was a confined space and sheltered. Fitzwilliam Square would be rather similar in size to the rose garden and both bordered by walls/trees. Fitz. perhaps denser border of trees which maybe pushed it over the edge and was why Scott frequently referenced the stations limited exposure. But food for thought.

If Met Eireann do have a picture and release it, it will be pretty obvious if it's in the rose garden as those old maps suggest it was always well kept. The grounds side in old pictures looks fairly wild and unkept in comparison.

Danno · 22-07-2022 9:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119374393#Comment_119374393

I'd seriously doubt the station was in the rose garden, the ground there is stepped/terraformed to the last detail with very wide paved areas, etc...

https://goo.gl/maps/WviczyPNWpLMiGMw5

23-07-2022 1:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360563#Comment_119360563

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361720#Comment_119361720

Interesting about the UK high temp, the location isnt too far from the sea. The east of England can get quite low rainfall in normal years. Lower than some middle eastern places in fact. So I guess very dry conditions are within normal variation. East Anglia is the driest part but I suppose Lincolnshire could get dry too as its not too far and still easterly.

Its been a dry spring....https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2021-04-26/dry-weather-causing-problems-for-farmers-in-yorkshire-and-lincolnshire

Think of the sun/weather/climate as energy. If its drier the energy can be put into temperature. If it is more humid the energy must expend energy heating the humid air too. This is why wet equatorial climates dont see the same extremely high temperatures as dry deserts.

As it heated up to 40.3c Coningsby humidity hit 13% (as one goes up the other goes down). The cold north sea may lead to locally lower humidity. Other factors - 9/10m altitude in the area. Also deserts get longer daylight hours than within the tropics.

This leads me to Ireland. I wonder if the optimal timing for max highs is late june to mid July. Is it possible that as the seas warm up the humidity might get high enough to 'put a lid on max temps'. Or would a hot dry airmass moving across from Europe just dominate it?

A high in Kilkenny with compounding factors pointed out on this thread such as local hills, dry run of weather, longer sunlight as per time of year etc is no big deal. Suspicious that it keeps coming up.

Side note - during heat waves people die, if climate change is responsible for more frequent heat waves and a portion of the temperature increase then the urban heat island effect must be responsible for the vast bulk of the casualties as it has an immediate impact on temperatures orders of magnitude higher than Co2.

Gaoth Laidir · 23-07-2022 7:44am

A high in Kilkenny with compounding factors pointed out on this thread such as local hills, dry run of weather, longer sunlight as per time of year etc is no big deal. Suspicious that it keeps coming up.

Not sure why it would be suspicious. A perfect timing of events, such as an abnormally severe drought on soil like that and the cumulative effect of several clear days at a time of maximum insolation is not something that happens regularly and probably has never happened since. I think the soil is the major differentiator between Kilkenny and other locations when it comes to such dry ground conditions.

Akrasia · 23-07-2022 1:04pm

From a climate change POV it doesn't really matter when the absolute maximum temperature for an arbitrary geographical region was set. What matters is the trends over decades and the frequency and intensity of events

The point of climate change is not that weather extremes never happened in the past, it's that the bell curve is shifting so previously extreme weather is becoming normal while opening the door for new extremes that would have been impossible in a naturally cooler world

anglesorangles · 23-07-2022 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119360405#Comment_119360405

Hahahahah all the shite people were goin on about on Monday , how dare thee question a 150 yr old record.

Akrasia · 23-07-2022 1:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119363871#Comment_119363871

The urban heat island effect is real but vastly overstated by skeptics to discount climate change.

The fact that our cities do heat up faster in heatwaves is a greater reason for why we should take more action on preventing and mitigating climate change.

The 40c recorded in the UK was in controlled conditions. To someone walking around London they could have experienced temperatures in excess of 40c in direct sunshine and much higher night time temperatures than the official record

Oneiric 3 · 23-07-2022 1:53pm

Looking at the 850hPa wind flow on that record breaking day, it is clear that the air mass would have been very dry, and very likely dried out further as it travelled over the Wicklow Mts to create a 'fohn' effect over the S Midlands. Add into that that the sun is at its highest in the sky at that time of year also:

It's not unlike what happened at the end of June 2018: dry easterly air and high sun. However, what is not normal by any stretch is the temperatures we have seen earlier in week (thankfully, did not last too long) and the far, far more grueling wave we had this time last year where we saw temps reaching into the 30s under very humid, moist conditions, and this in two consecutive years running, which I am pretty sure is unprecedented in the temperature records of this isle.

Gaoth Laidir · 23-07-2022 9:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376724#Comment_119376724

But if we were to get a drought now of the scale of those of 1887, 1921, 1942, etc., no doubt the Attribution groups would be all over it in an instant claiming that this is evidence of manmade climate change because the probability of such an occurrence has gone from X to Y, where X<<Y. We haven't seen the like of these droughts, yet we're being told to expect them. Or maybe lack of them is also evidence of AGW?

Much was made of the recent localised area of very positive T850 warm anomaly over western Europe, caused by the persistence of that cut-off low west of Portugal, however no mention was made of the vastly greater area of negative anomaly all over the NE Atlantic, norther, eastern Europe and northern Africa. Talk is made of cherrypicking by skeptics, yet one relatively small but concentrated area of very high anomaly with a definite synoptic and not CO2-induced cause is focused on. We don't have such maps for the 19th century, but I bet similar would have occurred from time to time.

https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1549488698575622144

Danno · 23-07-2022 9:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376939#Comment_119376939

which I am pretty sure is unprecedented in the temperature records of this isle.

@sryanbruen had a table up recently which showed 10 days of 30c+ in year 1995.

EDIT - found it:

https://twitter.com/SryanWx/status/1548261068585066496

Oneiric 3 · 23-07-2022 10:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378569#Comment_119378569

I should have been clearer. I was talking about intense heat (>=30c) combined with high humidity occurring in two consecutive years. But going from that data alone. A crude reading suggests that, on average, 30c + days occurred about once every 12 to 14 years up to about 1960, to as little as just 3 years since 2013 up to the present year. What was once very much the exception, is clearly becoming more the rule.

Danno · 23-07-2022 11:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378748#Comment_119378748

But you'd have to factor in better station coverage in these modern times.

For example, Bunclody last Tuesday recorded over 30c as the remnants of the heat hung on in Wexford/Carlow...

https://twitter.com/SryanWx/status/1549413439755403264

Akrasia · 24-07-2022 12:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378569#Comment_119378569

Can you not see the trend?

Oneiric 3 · 24-07-2022 3:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378889#Comment_119378889

A fair point Danno.

Though appreciating as we all do at just how methodical SyranB is when doing his research, it is very likely I think that he would have used a consistent dataset when doing up those stats (probably from the synoptic network)

Something isn't quite right about the pattern that set in during the second half of July last year. Abnormally high pressure readings in the NE Atlantic for the time of year, which repeated itself down to a tee this month, not to mention the near persistence of that same Azores high that parked itself near or directly over us during the bulk of last autumn and winter. What is causing all of this, I don't know and I'll leave it to others to debate all of that, but it is well outside of the norm, particularly regarding it's shear persistence.

Danzy · 24-07-2022 3:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362701#Comment_119362701

Outside of very precise requirements not related to weather the thermometers from then still meet standards today for weather recording.

sryanbruen · 30-07-2022 7:14pm

Still awaiting a response from Met with regards to my request of a photograph or at least a concept of the location of the Kilkenny Castle station in 1887.

As for my 30C days dataset in the tweet given above, I can confirm at least one synoptic station achieved the 30C figure in all the years named. However, the count of the number of days is susceptible to the number of stations available at that given time and of what data is public at the moment so it's not homogenous. It is very much a work in progress like all my projects as more data becomes available and thinking of ways to present it for the interest of people.

The thermometers met standards then as they do now. It was how those thermometers were used. For example, the Glaisher Stand was widely used for recording in the 19th century until the Stevenson Screen became mainstream. GS measurements were found to be at least a degree warmer than using the same thermometer in a Stevenson. If a GS was not well maintained or used properly, the sun would shine directly on the thermometer which goes against standards obviously. At a certain point, all prior GS readings were disregarded from official climatological records for this reason. Same with various other recording methods that may have been used such as indoors in a window recess and a large closed shed. The Stevenson tended to be introduced in the late 1870s and early 1880s. So readings like Markree's 3 days of 32.9C or greater in June 1851 or Phoenix Park's 33.4C in July 1876 are disregarded due to potential bias from observation recording methods at the time. Phoenix Park has data since 1831 but its current official temperature records began in 1881 after the Stevenson was installed in December 1879 and was marked in good order in October 1880.

If you would like to know about the recording methods at various Met stations in the 19th century, their metadata can be found here. Shame Kilkenny Castle is not there 😏

Danno · 30-07-2022 10:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409193#Comment_119409193

Good work @sryanbruen - it's a pity in a way that the GS readings are disregarded, I'd be of the opinion that the cold records from that era are of very good use - I believe there is a -24c from Armagh Obs in that record.

Gaoth Laidir · 31-07-2022 6:46am

On the one hand they are (rightly) rejecting old readings because they were not in Stevenson Screens, but on the other hand they're accepting readings from all sorts of stations nowadays, even AWS with holes in the shield! Here's the 48.8 °C one from Sicily last year with a cut-out slot in the shield, which is just a few cm right above a hot metal bar.

Danno · 31-07-2022 8:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410413#Comment_119410413

Jesus H Christ.

If that is the standard we're accepting for recordings then Lidl's finest weather station recording 37c in West Clare is our own new national record.

Meanwhile the biased media will have alot of Europe convinced that 48.8c was recorded via alarmist headlines - but when the state of the station is revealed, it might garner a tiny corner buried in the middle of the paper.

Gaoth Laidir · 31-07-2022 9:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410633#Comment_119410633

Sshhh, you're not allowed bring up stuff like that here.

John.Icy · 31-07-2022 12:41pm

Update here; I had also reached out to Met Eireann over this supposed picture. And I got a response.

Seems like there is no such picture unfortunately. Or at least not to the knowledge of the person/division who got back to me. But the fact there is talk of a photo still raises the possibility that there is one out there but it's not fully known who has it sitting on file?

The mystery possibly dies at this stage. I'm sure there's maps somewhere buried in some physical archive or photos. In some of those old Met Office reports there is schematics of station layouts/sites. I'm sure the same was done for Kilkenny. Maybe something for TY students in Kilkenny to go trawl through archives in Kilkenny library or something.

Danno · 05-01-2023 9:52am

https://www.thejournal.ie/hottest-temperature-ireland-study-5960834-Jan2023/

Back on TheJournal.ie today. Notice the article has dropped Evelyn Cusack's comments from last July when this was first raised in the "media".

Danno · 05-01-2023 5:57pm

From:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ireland-could-see-35c-weather-this-summer-as-scientists-warn-of-more-extremes-in-2023-tzc8hqjsw

Peter Thorne, a climate scientist and director of the Irish Climate Analysis and Research Unit at Maynooth University, believes that Ireland could break its record and hit a temperature of 35C in 2023. On July 18 last summer, 33C was recorded at Phoenix Park, a fraction below Ireland’s highest ever temperature of 33.3C, which was recorded at Kilkenny Castle in 1887.

“We will exceed 33C, the only question is when,” Thorne said. “That record probably will not stand very long and it will continue to be beaten. Ireland at the moment, given the right meteorological set-up, could go somewhere north of 35C. If you had a very long dry spell, a large build-up of heat and an export of very dry warm air from the continent, I could see somewhere in central Ireland exceeding 35C physically.”

No doubt a bold prediction - 35C this coming Summer!

Alternative Link: https://archive.is/20230101003851/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ireland-could-see-35c-weather-this-summer-as-scientists-warn-of-more-extremes-in-2023-tzc8hqjsw

Thelonious Monk · 06-01-2023 5:04pm

well he said we "could" break 35c. It'll be broken in the coming years anyway. UK and Ireland recorded 2022 as warmest year on record and some ridiculous summer temperatures in Europe in recent weeks. It's amazing the hoops people will jump through because they don't want to admit they're wrong and that man made climate change is real. I really hope it isn't and the scary future ahead of us doesn't transpire.

Hooter23 · 06-01-2023 6:05pm

The 1887 record was recorded "near a castle that heats up or expel heat" so it means its wrong... nowadays we have miles upon miles of tarmac and concrete in every direction but this does not have that same effect and it still did not beat the record...if they had all this back in 1887 sure who knows what record they might have got...

Danno · 06-01-2023 8:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120074979#Comment_120074979

I really hope it isn't and the scary future ahead of us doesn't transpire.

What scary future? We generally get a few disruptive spells of weather each decade. No need to believe all the hype.

Danno · 06-01-2023 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120075278#Comment_120075278

True that.

No critical eye cast over the Phoenix Park station regarding the 33.0c there:

Clearly a new building to the southeast of the station. Just a tad over 16 metres away:

The wind was SSE that day when 33.0c was recorded - not that it matters in the Phoenix Park station as Met Eireann won't measure wind data there because it's too sheltered - they'll admit that themselves.

Wonder will Mssr Thorne call the 33.0c into question?

He will in his feck.

Furze99 · 06-01-2023 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120067877#Comment_120067877

It's an awkward record - one that doesn't suit prevailing agendas.

Danno · 06-01-2023 9:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076172#Comment_120076172

Spot on, if Phoenix Park had hit 33.4c last July 18th that "report" wouldn't have seen the light of day.

Neddyusa · 06-01-2023 11:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076172#Comment_120076172

Nail on the head!

These guys like Thorne are actually hilariously transparent in their cherry picking of records they want to recognise, and denial of the ones that don't suit their ideology.

In another example I heard John Gibbons (not a scientist but purports to be an "expert") on the radio yesterday.

He was catastrophising about the recent warm spell in Central Europe being undisputable evidence of man-made climate change going out of control.

Then a point was made from a listener about the two week cold spell we had here in December, his response; "Oh well, we have to recognise the difference between climate and weather, that cold spell was just normal weather variation"

🤣🤣🤣

Danno · 07-01-2023 12:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120076886#Comment_120076886

Gibbons is a right dose alright.

Overall though there are glaring contradictions from the likes of Thorne, etc... where there is a big issue with the Kilkenny 33.3c data - when it comes to comparing data from today against data from the mid-1800s (to make the popular claim that we've warmed over 1c since 1850) there is no issue with the mid-1800s data then!

Cherrypicking of the highest order.

I bet you anything: the -19.1c at Markree from six years earlier (16/01/1881) than Kilkenny's record 33.3c will never be called into question.

LaoisWeather · 19-01-2023 9:47pm

Ireland will struggle to cope with mid-30s temperatures (irishexaminer.com)

Next year will likely be the hottest ever globally if the so-called "El Niño" climate phenomenon returns as expected in 2023, while Ireland's record temperature will almost certainly be shattered repeatedly this decade.

Those are just some of the predictions of Maynooth University climate change professor Peter Thorne, who warned prolonged spells of heat in the mid-30s could have grave implications for human health, livestock, land, and biodiversity in Ireland.

The northern hemisphere experienced the third winter of the La Niña water cooling phenomenon, in a highly unusual "triple dip" situation.

Opposite to the warming El Niño pattern, La Niña refers to the large-scale cooling of the ocean surface temperatures in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean, coupled with changes in the tropical atmospheric circulation, namely winds, pressure, and rainfall.

Even though the northern hemisphere has had three La Niña events in a row, Europe still managed to experience its hottest-ever summer.

If El Niño returns as expected this year, its warming characteristics will significantly ramp up the potential for even hotter summers.

Prof Thorne said the return of El Niño would likely be even more pronounced because of its longer-than-usual absence in recent times.

The massive Tonga volcanic eruption of 2022 will also be a major factor because of the huge amounts of water vapour it sent soaring 10kms into the atmosphere, where it acts like a major greenhouse gas, he added.

Irrespective of El Niño, La Niña, or neutral patterns, there is a "parade of heat records falling" across Europe time and time again, according to Prof Thorne, who was a contributing lead author on the recent UN-backed International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports.

Ireland would not need to reach 40C like other parts of Europe to have major implications on society, he warned.

"Even hitting 33C last summer has major, major implications. Such heat has implications for a large number of people — for farmers managing livestock with heatstroke. It did a number of vegetation, beech trees in particular.

There were very clear signs of heat distress. Natural systems and human infrastructure are not set up to sustain those kinds of temperatures, so we don't need to hit 40C for major implications for Ireland."

Whether the 33.3C record of 1887 in Kilkenny Castle is truly the highest ever temperature in Ireland, or the 33C reached in Phoenix Park last summer, it is likely to become moot by the end of the decade with those numbers being shattered, according to Prof Thorne.

"If you're going to hit 35C, you're probably looking at a longer duration event. Buildings in Ireland are built to retain heat. Pushing 33C to 35C, the stress that many people feel with the ability to cool their houses will be much worse.

"Looking at records in the likes of France, the UK, and Benelux countries have been smashed recently by degrees, not by tenths of degrees, it is only a matter of time before we break ours.

"I can't say yet if it will be this summer, but I believe it will be shattered by 2030. We won't be arguing about whether Kilkenny Castle or Phoenix Park is the true record by then because they'll both be surpassed.

"It's certainly possible this summer for Ireland to break its temperature record. In a perpetually warming world, heat records are beating cold records far more, some by four to one in some locations."

A slight row back on his last interview where he alluded that 33.3c would likely fall during summer 2023. But he ups the ante and is certain it will be gone by 2030 and repeatedly. Thats 33.4c or higher at least twice by 31st August 2029. Tick tock.

M.T. Cranium · 18-02-2023 10:05pm

If he's correct about more frequent heat waves in the mid 30s, it will just be like many other places where people seem to cope fine and the biodiversity aspect is not really threatened unless the heat comes with extreme drought and wildfires. Really, a climate like Ireland enjoys is one that can handle a degree or two of warming better than most. It may not be to the liking of weather forum enthusiasts to see a shift to milder winters, but I can't think of many negative impacts on society from winters with less snow and frost. It's not like you have a winter sport industry that would suffer. Warmer springs and autumns would be generally good for business and agriculture. Not everyone on earth is going to die if the temperature goes up a degree or two, obviously you wouldn't want to be in Palm Springs or Pakistan. But you're not, so ...

Supercell · 19-02-2023 11:42am

The older I get the less i like cold weather, milder winters and summers like the last one would suit me just fine. Wouldnt mind being able to grow citrus fruit in the garden

AnFearCeart · 21-02-2023 1:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120259403#Comment_120259403

Over 30Cs in Ireland can be oppressive with the humidity. Maybe our southern and south-eastern coastal areas will see weather more like Eastbourne and Brighton in the summers going forward? That would be a good trade-off.

Thelonious Monk · 21-02-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120259403#Comment_120259403

but given we import most of our food and millions of tonnes of feed every year to give our animals we're highly dependent on weather elsewhere too. never mind the millions or billions that would be displaced by a degree or two of a rise, which would cause mayhem all over europe and give rise to all kinds of political movements. should be a right laugh.

Supercell · 21-02-2023 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270478#Comment_120270478

Who is in second place? -https://impact.economist.com/sustainability/project/food-security-index/

highdef · 21-02-2023 3:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270478#Comment_120270478

A news headline today ties in very well with your post: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0221/1357956-grocery-ireland/

Thelonious Monk · 21-02-2023 3:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270514#Comment_120270514

we produce a load of beef and butter but we're still net importers of food i.e. most people's dinner in ireland tonight will consist of mostly imported food

Thelonious Monk · 21-02-2023 3:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120270591#Comment_120270591

yeah i was reading earlier that italy is facing its second year in extreme drought and canals are drying up in venice. this will hit the food system eventually.

New doubt cast on Ireland's hottest temperature

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