To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

It's more severe and more infectious than flu. Plus we have flu vaccines. We didn't have covid vaccines for the first waves of covid.

You haven't calculated the flu IFR in the same way as the covid IFR. Also, the IFR is only half the equation. The number of cases being the other half.

We didn't have flu circulating here in winter 2020 and winter 2021. We had covid. So that's another way it is different in threat to flu. It's far more difficult to contain.

That's why every major health authority in the world reacted to covid as they did with measures such as mask mandates.

And thats why they wear masks?

I don't get what point you are making tbh

Of course I see the difference.

But what is not clear is your rationale for thinking wearing masks in hospital when there are airborne viruses believed to be circulating more than anywhere else is " laughable " ?

That is what I don't understand . They are being worn on wards but not by patients who have tested negative. And are in their own rooms etc. All staff and visitors are meant to be wearing them now, as are patients when moving from their area to another.

This is a protection measure as most people in hospital are vulnerable .

But of course there are always people who think they know more than the healthcare staff and decide they won't wear a mask when visiting.

What is laughable at this stage is the constant arguing about a measure that does not affect most people in their daily lives except when they are in a medical facility .

Thank you .

Oh I see now, so when you said 'hospitals were never quieter' you meant there were certain periods when the hospitals were relatively quiet. Not during the initial Covid waves of course as the spikes in admissions are well documented. Maybe you should have said that instead of making a sweeping generalization.

" people don't care about masks " lol. You speak for every body now ,do you ?

The vast majority of people in medical centres comply with masks and did in other places when there was a mask mandate .

People stopped wearing them except for those who wanted to continue because it was deemed unnecessary . If it is mandated again most people would again comply . Why ? Because most people do follow what is advised whether they are totally for it or not.

Most people are happy to be relatively back to normal and want that to continue , and have more to worry about than what a union rep is asking for, among other things .

It is you and some others who are constantly on here who don't agree and say you are worried about your freedoms .

Who is " forcing " anybody ? Am laughing again here .

Go live your life and forget about what may or may not happen . If it happens deal with it then

This thread is losing an entire sense of perspective.

You are " losing your freedoms " posting every day here and getting upset and angry at people you have never met.

Entirely your choice of course , and you are " free " to do that ..

Not sure what you are giving out about, the post appears to have been deleted. If you are looking for proof that mask wearing had an impact on the infection numbers you probably won't get it since there are too many variables when looking at national infection numbers. But if you you are suggesting that proper mask wearing does not reduce the risk of transmission then you are ignoring the wealth of scientific evidence that is freely available.

You can use some statement from the health minister as the foundation of your argument, I will stick with the global scientific community, medical experts and documented research.

The government and HSE are riding it out. Numbers will decrease naturally in the next few weeks, like they do every year. Whatever peoples opinion on masks, it is far too late for them now anyway.

This kind of posters are always hiding behind the masses. Not a leg to stand on, but it's always "we" , "most of the people", "vast vast majority" shíte rhetorics. Just a simple tactics to get more buy ins without knowing anything (topic related I mean, or using the topic to reach some fantasy goals), or look like a "knowledgeable" I guess. It's not exclusively this thread only. Happens around a lot on plenty of threads here. Ability of those to express their own opinion as their own is gone. But God save your sorry ass, if you try to challenge it, or take a píss out of those posts 😁

Edit: see the post below, clear example..

Mental isn't it? Bones of a year after everyone else.

And thats only because of the FDP (liberals) in the government coalition. If it was for the Greens (also in the coalition) who deem themselves to be sole purveyors of all things virtuous it still wouldn't end.

And thats with Drosten (German Dr. Tony) saying it's long over and masks won't make a difference anymore anyway.

My local SuperValu sweets displays at the checkouts have been replaced this week by multple types of face masks and Covid tests running the entire length of the checkout, like a poor mans Boots 😁

Can’t under what the big deal seems to be about wearing masks.

It's not about "want", it's a public health measure which works better when everyone is masked.

It's like saying people want to smoke, most people don't. We weren't "hell bent on forcing everyone to stop smoking" - just stop smoking indoors beside us.

Except you have been using the exact same phrasing since day 0, even when they were mandatory, phrasing it as 'forcing them on everyone'.

So you're contradicting your own posts if you are trying to pretend otherwise.

It's not about "forcing them on everyone" for the sake of it, as a power trip. It's being urged for motives of public health, and that is why mask mandates were in place. SO I entirely reject the premise of your post.

It is not debating in good faith, as it implies not merely are pro mask people wrong about the benefits of masks \ mask mandates, but motivated by bad motives.