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Extension quote

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    So this did not go to plan.

    we had to get in another builder, will provide a full update but will be a few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    This will be interesting to hear how this pans out. 🙈

    Just had a read through the thread there and prices quoted are astronomical, I guess gone are the days of 20k extensions 😱 A friend recently had an attic converted and it was €40k+ in what I would've considered a very small attic. I'm not sure if OP went ahead with his attic but as with most Dublin 3 bed semis there doesn't appear to be much in the way of head room up there.

    Hope you weren't caught too badly OP, changing contractors mid build is very stressful and usually best avoided. It looks as though it will be a fantastic home once completed. 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭ladystardust


    Was just having a conversation with himself about a small 8m2 rear of house extension for a small playroom.... but I guess we are dreaming if these are the prices we are looking at. Jaysis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Dylan97


    I feel your pain. We have receieved two qoutes so far of 80k and above for a 20 square meter extension.


    Builders are either milking it or prices are really just through the roof. I'm in the process of building out a bill of materials to understand what the material cost is



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭ladystardust


    I mean if I had 40 grand to spend I'd just sell up and upgrade. But I like my home. Id be really interested to see what the projections are in terms of cost etc. I mean I have to wait either way because I dont have that kind of money!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    For the likes of that you could try using direct labour. Its not rocket science escpecially if planning is required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭paddylonglegs


    This is insane. €4K per square metre? Is this in Dublin? Don’t know how builders are justifying this. It’s time for people to get more creative for their money to go further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Dylan97


    It's in meath. Totally crazy. I'm going down the self build route and managing / doing bits my self. No way am I handing over 80k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭society4


    Is that builders finish or does it include the kitchen etc….



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    Holy moly, I bought a 113sqm house for 400k early this year and I know that’s a rip off. The previous owner bought it at 180k like 20 years ago.

    and now a 100sqm extension without completely finish ask price is 300k

    fat profit!

    maybe think of ways sticking w ground or just stick w attic. Might be less costly?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    Just to give you a comparsion


    my old man knows building house

    he helped build my house as like he was PM it, and he hired people did foundation, blocks, plastering…etc. he did the roof himself with help. and bought all the material ourselves.

    our house in total cost less than 200k

    and it’s a 280sqm house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    When was this?

    I suggest to people to bide their time, there are obviously enough people willing to pay these costs to keep the number of active builders busy at the moment. Most people haven't got that money.

    But when that cohort of people have spent their money and more builders come into the extension game, their prices will have to drop.

    As for materials, not so sure.

    May or may not be economic downturn coming but if it does, then you'll get builders



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    Well it’s almost 6 years ago so yes you are right. Material is higher also.

    the other thing is it took us 2 years to finish the house.

    i remember the block guy didn’t come back for a month said broke his leg. While my old man said he might got another job and is finishing that one firstly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I've done work in my house with my dad's assistance, knocked a wall to open plan, built fake chimney breast, extended kitchen....the 1 thing that always stood out as you say is the length of time it took us.

    We tiled the downstairs bathroom once in our spare time, great job but it took us forever. Got a tiler into do the main bathroom and ensuite after that, he was here 2 days on each and the 2nd day wasn't even full.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭Xidu


    I know it takes forever but it’s worth it though compare the money can be saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Dylan97


    Builders finish. I'm going to dig foundation's end of February / March and do what I can myself. Will be hiring in trades for electrics, plumbing and roof.


    I wanted soneome in to do it for the convenience and time, but no way am I borrowing more money or spending our savings on a 20sqm box. The mrs is fine with it taking longer and saving the money also



  • Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Material prices in a number of areas are decreasing. I'm building a house at the moment. Supplier for reinforcing steel advised this week that 6mm is now €40, in November it was €50. Timber way down as well.

    Another supplier advised that a price reduction is coming for floor insulation (PIR) which would be welcome as at current prices it would cost me 6k.

    With wholesale gas prices so low one would hope price reductions for cement based products are not too far away.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hopefully builders will feed those prices to the consumer and 3-4k per sqm isn't the new norm they are going to try and get way with while the country is booming.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Some updated pictures, expect to be weather proof by the end of Jan barring any delays with windows/doors etc.

    Expect to be back in end of March/start of april.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Looks like things might be getting a bit better.

    Just had a mail from a builder I got a quote from last October for a 40 sqm extension.

    The quotes I got were €95k to 120k.

    This guys quote was 105k.

    We decided not to go ahead with it at those prices.

    He has come back today and said he is free to start in March and due to prices falling back for materials his new quote in €80k.

    I think thats still too much but I might go get some fresh quotes from other builders and see how it goes.

    Its a single story at the back of the house in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Is it just the camera fish eye or is that right side wall falling away to the right?





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    80k sounds decent. We had ours done in 2021. 45sqm for 71.5k. That included two fully tiles kitted out wetrooms though. Hopefully things continue to drop though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭jiminho


    Very interested to hear updates in this thread. Currently bidding on a house in south Dublin which is a little small for our needs but has lots of space to move to the rear and side (over garage). I kind of have plans in my head what to do and we’d only add one additional bathroom adjacent to an existing one. It would be a large extension though probably between 80-100 m2. What are people seeing now?

    Also, it would be interesting to hear what people are getting for the cost. An extension that houses a brand new kitchen will be a lot more than one that’s just a living room



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The country isn't booming we are set for a recession this year and construction has contracted 6 out of the last 7 months and already a prediction from pwc of 1000k companies going insolvent this year alone. I think a lot construction companies unless they cop on to their quotes will be heading to the wall as people simply cannot afford the the prices. Wages have come no where near the increase in construction. Anyone getting building work done. Make sure you separate your QS spend out and keep that and use it when the builders need materials and I would be paying on a weekly basis no big cash amounts as the builder who starts your job may well be insolvent taking your cash with them by the end. I would also hold off if the slowdown continues hopefully construction companies in the main will be bleeding heavily and have to pass on savings to the customer as in almost all areas from timber to blocks to gas price have come down yet the price of a construction job seems to be falling at a much slower pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    That quote thats down to 80k now that i was talking about above is for a 40 sqm single story extension on the back of the house. It is fully finished and kitted out kitchen too as well as blending the existing kitchen which will be part of it. I think its very expensive still. Got almost the exact same thing done in 2015 for €35k on our last house, so these quotes hurt :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Hold off 6 months at least and see where things are at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123


    absolutely still gouging going on there wait him out in 6 months he will be definitely be coming in under 70k.



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭brownbinman


    in similar boat to few others here but holding out. If we do (and I think we will) have a recession, could get a lot cheaper over next 6-12 months

    Garage conversion and kitchen extension is the plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Thats the plan. I think we will hold out for longer. Already holding out 6 months has made a difference in the price quoted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    That’s a great price for the 45sqm is that mates rates or family member doing that job for you ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    That’s an excellent price could we see prices dropping more than that in the future ? And can I ask was that a standard builders finish no kitchen or tiles etc..

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123


    They have to drop Marty. Inflation in construction in the last 12 months or so has soared by 30/40%. Last year less than half the working population got a pay rise and people who did get one got no where near 30/40% with the cost living in other areas that are essential ramping up people will cut out big ticket spend this is the way it has been ad infinitum. As people stop getting build work done. The companies stop ordering the raw materials and less demand for these commodities will equal a lowering of prices. Now the issue is will the builders pass on the price decreases. This has already been seen in the last Quarter of 2022.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Hadn’t noticed, but I’m not in the country at the moment so it’s the wife taking pictures. Our arch and engineer are on site this week I’ll get them to look



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Yeh it will drop. Mine was qouted at the start of 2021 at 61500 and then rose to the 71000 just before it started.

    He tiled the two bathrooms, 2 electric showers and sanitary ware. Nothing fancy though. No shower trays needed or enclosures for example as they are wet rooms. They painted white throughout which we like and are happy with. The shower trays amd enclosures could easily set you back 2k depending on spec.

    My advise to people is to shop around and dont rely on facebook etc. My lad was old school and the only person he brought in was a sparks for obvious reasons. He wouldnt have an online presence.

    No steel work needed as we used an existing side door opening into the house.

    There are builders out there who are realistic and arent looking to become celtic tiger millionaires if you feel me.

    Now there is a caveat. The same builder honoured his price and didnt screw me. But he did say during the build that if he was reqouting it would have been closer to the 90k. I didnt get the feeling that he would be the type to screw someone over. Just materials and other stuff like skips and removal of soil and rubble were rising on a daily basis. I think that peaked from March through september last year.

    But yeh prices are coming down and the devil is in the detail. Engineer was 1200 for 3 inspections and sign off for compliance. I think it was that. Cant remember fully.

    The main thing for me is we had a great relationship with him and his lads. Never had words or a falling out. Always a bit of craic and we werent difficult customers. I think that counts for a lot too.

    I'd tell people not to go without an Engineer for example. Its a false economy.

    Insulation. 92mm.

    Put plenty of sockets in too and be done with it. Provide the sparks with your own. You can buy the 5 pack usb sockets on amazon at a discount.

    Do it once and do it properly.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    our arch was there this afternoon, brick work had been redone.

    builder said they bumped it during some steel work.

    picture was taken Saturday morning. They fixed it yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123


    IMO construction is slowing. Had a guy out to quote at the start of December, came back quickly with a quote of just over 100k for a 20 square meter extension and a relocation of a bathroom and the removal of a stud wall and to strip some tiles from a floor. Said it would take 7/8 weeks he had a job starting in Feb and could push this out. Told him his quote was overly high, he got back there the other evening saying he could quote it more competitively now and dropped it to 88k. Told him to come back to me when he can do it for under 70k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    That's encouraging to hear but I suppose the caveat is that the economy might be starting to slow too. Or maybe it's a sign of inflation and people not willing to pay those prices. Could be a bit of both.

    For what it's worth I think even 60k is crazy money for a 20sqm extension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    100k for that sounds like someone who doesn't want the work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Well the way he was pushing another contract out to fit me in would suggest he did want it and coming back 12k less would also suggest he wants it. He must of thought let the gouging continue. Its way too much still so will leave it for another 6 months and see what way the winds are blowing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Thanks for the update, hopefully all going a bit smoother now with a new builder on board.



  • Registered Users Posts: 989 ✭✭✭suave.4u


    My friend was looking at extending his house. One guy he approached has agreed to do the attached at 65K, cash job.He is contemplating whether ti go ahead. Was recommended by another friend who was happy with the services provided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,459 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    These single leaf builds just boggle the mind.

    I wouldnt have anything to do with them but even so, whoever is building this is not a blocklayer and it's not to any kind of acceptable standard.

    Blocks appear to be from different suppliers which is never a good start. Sizing can be poor nevermind the whole certification issue.

    Little to no tie in on left side between this stepped back section and main structure. Line of blocks upright along door frame - no tie. Blocks above that are perhaps tied in on one course max. It's complete messing.

    Lintel over door acting as a course of its own. I don't know how this is supposed to tie in with block courses as lintel is 65 versus 100 block.

    203 x 203 beam possibly untreated. Upright block/concrete on corner under beam likely to try to get around the dodgy course heights due to lintel.

    Bottom of build has coursing staggered on each 100mm course, top part staggered on 225mm coursing. It just screams absolute cowboy. I wouldn't rate that builder as being capable of doing that job.

    I hope they employed the Engineer at least and are not using the builders Engineer!



  • Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭billy_beckham


    Not very aesthetically pleasing alright 😬

    Post edited by billy_beckham on


  • Registered Users Posts: 989 ✭✭✭suave.4u




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,504 ✭✭✭fliball123




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,699 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Id assume that isnt the drawing being qouted off and worked off? Not reputable builder would qoute off that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    When timber fixed on, bit of plaster to straighten the wall, be grand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Or just do it right the first time 🤷‍♂️



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