Extension quote

helimachoptor

Standard 3 bed semi with garage conversion, approx 140 Sq m currently.

Adding bedrooms above garage, going into attic to create master bedroom(storage). Relatively large ground floor extension, about 60sqm, underfloor heating in this + existing kitchen area.

Builders finish, no painting, no kitchen, no flooring etc. 300k incl vat.

About 100 Sqm of extra space

Thoughts?

mike_2009

Wow - that's nearly the cost of a new house!! Seems about right these days depending on the location?

helimachoptor

Yes.. south county Dublin.

Should have more quotes late next week, but

Chris_5339762

At least you got a quote! Down south we are looking for an extension... got a very rough quote of €50k about 18 months ago.

Went out looking for builders again, none will quote at all, one said maybe in the summer they'll give a quote, another won't take any bookings until 2023.

helimachoptor

So got our 2nd quote. 340k, pretty detailed from the builder, but still looking at 400k in total. Waiting on one more, but will be a couple if weeks

starbaby2003

We used a builder who only covers South Dublin. Very happy with them. Not sure of their availability though. They were very competitive.

houseyhouse

This sound similar to a project we’d like to do. Can I ask, what is the spec? Eg, will finished house have AluClad windows, A rating, etc?

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736931#Comment_118736931

We haven't even looked at windows yet 😂

But existing house it's pretty well insulated, but not sure we'd get an A rating, we've an open fire

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118733877#Comment_118733877

Can you PM me their details?

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739747#Comment_118739747

Fair enough. I suppose I meant are you expecting expensive/high quality finishes for that or more standard finishes. Asking because 400k is definitely more than we wanted to spend so wondering if there’s much fat in that budget.

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743485#Comment_118743485

What they've quote isnt far off a builders finish

In the first quote, no tiling, no hanging of internal doors (if they have glass), no tiling allowance, no painting, no tiling of external area, no install of any windows, no kitchen

second quote has some allowances for this stuff

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744241#Comment_118744241

Wow. Good to know. Thanks and best of luck with it!

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744314#Comment_118744314

if my luck extends to a lotto win.. thats the type of luck i need!

Prices are insane tbh

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744316#Comment_118744316

You and me both!

helimachoptor

So one of the builders who came last week, recommended we prep for the 3rd floor attic conversion, but not doing it would basically knock 100K off our price, which seems nuts

Gusser09

WOW.

The devil is in the detail though. A redesign and simplifying certain aspects might save a pile of money.

We had our doe last year. Approx 50sqm in total. We didn't go up though and didn't require any structural works to the main house. Literally just build on the side. 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and a utility, Turn key was 70k. Would probably be nearer 100k this year though. Which would have meant not getting it done.

society4

Star baby please can you pm me the name of your builder, thanks

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118746170#Comment_118746170

That seems very good value. We got an estimate from an architect for doing a two-story side extension, adding two bedrooms, two bathrooms, and a utility. Also a rear extension of probably 30sqm. The estimate was 350k. We have to upgrade the whole house at the same time due to the building regs. Would be delighted to get the side done for 100k, never mind 70k!!

society4

Gosh that is a huge quote houseyhouse. Can I ask if you get a 25sq m ext only do you have to upgrade the rest of the house? Although I can’t see the point in having one part of the house uninsulated ....I’ve abandoned my plans to extend and retrofit as the prices are insane. Has anyone got recent reasonable quotes ...surely no one will get work done if it costs this much and will wait until the economy settles ....

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816030#Comment_118816030

I believe it depends on the percentage of the house that’s getting work. The rule is 25% but I’m not sure how they measure it. The architect did say that a lot of people assume those planning exempt extensions are also exempt from the new regs and that’s not actually the case.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118812030#Comment_118812030

The only thing I'd say is talk to a builder. Sometimes Architects and Builders prices can vary a lot.

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118816030#Comment_118816030

On your point about nobody going ahead with these prices. We’re in the position where we feel like we don’t have a lot of good options. We’re overcrowded in the house, especially with working from home. There’s nowhere better available to move to really. Anything that’s near schools and big enough for us costs a fortune or needs a lot of upgrading, or both. I’m not sure we could get anything better for our money. We’ll have to see what we can scrape together and what it will get us in a renovation/extension. I don’t want to wait a few years either because our kids are hitting the teens soon. No point doing it when they’ve only a couple of years left at home. No guarantee prices will go down in the next few years either. As I said, no good options in this housing market really.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818546#Comment_118818546

I'd be the same. I'm thinking going back into the office might be easier.

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818636#Comment_118818636

I’m hoping a garden room office will help make it all work. We’re not in Dublin so remote work has opened a lot of possibilities for us career wise.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818636#Comment_118818636

Or send a substantial bill to your employer!! :)

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818649#Comment_118818649

Wouldn’t that be great!

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118818646#Comment_118818646

True. I'm thinking a job with travel makes it not my problem :)

helimachoptor

So we've given up. It's basically costing us more to extend that we bought the house for. So we'll sell and buy a bigger house

mickdw

Proper order too.

Crazy prices and not even a kitchen included.

As someone involved in building large one off houses in the west, I cry at these prices.

I know it's a different game but majority of my work would be via self build and many of those self builds 250 sqm with heat pump, heat recovery, underfloor heating, kitchen, connection to services would be coming in under 300k.

Dublin prices are nuts.

helimachoptor

We had priced new windows and doors in mid Jan, they were 34k, our potential builder now said they are 52k

mickdw

Sounds like high spec stuff

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118932813#Comment_118932813

It’s not just Dublin! I’m in Galway city and we got an estimate of 350k for renovation and side and rear extensions on a semi-d. Won’t even be 250sqm when it’s finished!

When you say people are self-building, what do you mean? Are they just project managing the build themselves, ie there’s no main contractor? Or are they actually doing the labour themselves? Or does it mean there’s no architect?

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118932840#Comment_118932840

That’s grim. Will you be able to get something in the area you live in currently?

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118933340#Comment_118933340

Yes. No main contractor. Everything else the same.

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118933356#Comment_118933356

We have a bid in one a house on our street, so far it's looking very positive..

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118934000#Comment_118934000

That’s a great result!

houseyhouse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118933533#Comment_118933533

How much would you say people save by managing it themselves? 250sqm at 3k/sqm is 750k. So if people are getting that for 300k, that’s a saving of 60%? That seems too much.

mickdw

The figure here is nowhere near 3000 per sqm contractor or not.

I'd say 50 to 60k saving approx via self build on a 250 sqm house rural mayo.

Pre covid the contractor rate was circa 1300 per sqm with many self builds coming in at 250 to 270k for 250 sqm.

Right now it's probably gone over 300k self build.

houseyhouse

Good to know. I’ll have to call some Mayo builders when we get to the tendering stage!!

mickdw

If only things worked like that.

Calvin001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118932840#Comment_118932840

if you haven't signed a contract or ordered them windows, change.

Change supplier, change material or both. Too many options for good windows atm

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118974675#Comment_118974675

We had our bid accepted on the other house today we're going with that

billy_beckham

Best of luck with it.

We are hoping to extend and renovate a cottage but are thinking of leaving it and buying as well. Numbers just don't make sense..

helimachoptor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118976330#Comment_118976330

Yeah we were at the point of really compromising what we were gonna do, so buying makes sense

olestoepoke

I think it's a combination of significant increases in the cost of materials and fuel and people using this as an excuse to make more money.

PowerToWait

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118932813#Comment_118932813

I have to say this is making me wince just slightly, considering I'll have a substantially smaller house built for similar money, not in the west but 100 km north of Dublin. Does that figure include external finishes (concrete, yard, tarmac) a well, garage?

davywalsh7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118733877#Comment_118733877

Hi

any chance you could dm me the builders contact details? thanks

helimachoptor

So.. we're back in the game..

Build starts Monday week. Northern registered builder but based down south.

Windows, doors, kitchen, plumbing etc all included in price - but all from NI or the UK.

Our 4 extension skylights, we had a 32K price here (before price rises) Same ones in the UK are about 12K in total.

PowerToWait

Happy for you that this is taking off finally

Can’t believe that 32k price for sky lights, clearly a gouge.

I presume you’ve done your due diligence on this builder. I can’t say that there are very many reputable builders available at short notice, the way things are.

Signore Fancy Pants

Jesus 32k for 4 skylights?

We are waiting on tenders back from 3 builders for a 30 SqM rear extension and partial downstairs refurb. Ballpark figure from Arch/QS was €150k. We will see.

Hope the build goes well!

PowerToWait

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119154124#Comment_119154124

That’s quite saucy as well. What’s pushing it so high, is it very top spec?

Building extensions has become very expensive by all accounts.