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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2022/2023 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's looking ever more interesting. Long way to go but this has the feel of something that could evolve in to something special at short notice. Exciting! 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    We're back to the more sensible runs that are not all that exciting. Still anything is possible but the most likely scenario is we will get a spell of much dryer conditions with frost and fog possible. After a 3 month deluge this spell of weather will be most welcome and it will still feel alot more seasonal than how the majority of our winters start off with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Brendan offaly


    Keep the faith. Charts are all indicating easterly flows.

    Anything is possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭snowstorm445


    As much as it'd be great to see something evolve I seem to recall a lot of times over the past few years where we've gotten amazing synoptics in the run up to December/Christmas. Whereas the last time they ever panned out was maybe December 2010 (or early December 2017 at a push). We had a very infamous example back in December 2012 which sent us straight into the freezer within a week, the whole Jet Stream across Russia was basically reversed. It got watered down pretty quickly as 95+% of them do.

    It seems to be a running theme at this time of year. We also seem to get amazing runs in the run up to New Year as well. Best not to get drawn in to be honest. Although I suppose it's good that something chilly is on the cards, that's never a guarantee in winter anymore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭esposito


    @snowstorm445 V true. It just amazes me how often a low in the Atlantic suddenly appears out of nowhere on the models and then powers through or to the north of Ireland and it all then goes t**s up.

    As always, it will never be plain sailing for us. The models will chop n change etc. Best not to get too excited at this early stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭booferking


    Lock and loaded winter incoming 12z Icon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    The gfs has been counting down an easterly feed of some description for over a week now.

    Anything really epic is still way out in FI but I think it's fairly nailed on now that the start of winter will be quite seasonable for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    Everything moving up a notch on this afternoons runs - UKMO, GFS + GFSp, GEM and ICON are all stunning. Major northern blocking and an easterly flow of some sort is looking more and more likely for Ireland by next weekend.

    How long we can sustain that and thus how cold it gets is very uncertain still, but I’m starting to get excited now. This has the hallmarks of a vintage winter spell.

    Hopefully the ECM is on the same Siberian express that the other models are on this evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭Niall145


    GFS and ECM this morning both showing snow for Ireland next week



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The snow risk has increased a good bit on the 00z, lets see what the 6z brings. Alot of interest across the UK and Ireland is causing Wetterzentrale to be painfully slow or non responsive at the moment.

    edit: 6z milder than the 00z, still has an easterly but more south-easterly so it's drawing up much milder air from the south. However it does look like we will end in a much colder theme towards the end of the run.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 6z requires much patience to get the cold in but we get there in the end.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    That +342 needs to be hidden, poor Kermit will have a heart attack :D

    Great to see a pattern change coming and a chance of something cold and settled, NAO going negative and some other building blocks moving into place but it will be a slow ride to real cold as it just isn't there yet.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 6z brings snowcover to the south, however this is far too early to be looking at snow coverage.

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    Temperatures by night get to around -6C in central areas.

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    A fairly major warming is going on at the same time, this is not an SSW but is still a decent warming for this early in the winter.

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    Could this lead to a proper SSW end of December or early to mid January perhaps?

    NAO/AO goes deeply negative in early December for a while before staging a recovery mid month.

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    No shortage of model watching over the next 2 weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    With ups and downs each day the models certainly seem to be gripping on to the prospect of high pressure developing over Scandinavia in the short term and migrating toward greenland in the medium to long-term. These are the synoptics that bring cold and snow to Ireland in mid winter, so regardless of the final details at the moment it certainly looks healthy and promising for a taste of winter weather for the first time in many years for the December period.

    The GFS ensembles are coming out at the moment for 6z and show a significant upgrade in that pressure signal over greenland in the medium term.

    Still on the right road anyway whether it manifests or not. Looks like a good shot in my opinion without getting the anti-freeze and sleds ready...(yet)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Definitely the most interesting model watching for cold fans in a long while. Lp to the south sends milder air over us for a day or 2 next week then the cold air returns with a vengeance. All subject to change of course. How cold it gets initially depends on that lp. If it ends up further south it should get colder quicker.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM 00z not looking bad either, just more of a northerly component to it compared to the GFS.

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    We are all going to need much patience over the next week to 10 days to see where do we end up with all this. This is a bit of a slow burner that may or maynot pay off. We shall see. At the same time this is probably the most promising charts we have seen for cold since 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Right I’m going buying a flexi ticket for the snow train!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Make sure it's a one-way ticket tho! 😜

    That was quite a 6Z GFS run and no shortage of cold in it.

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    Much of the continent in the -5c to -10c minima range and lower further east. Daytime maxes widely sub-0c too.

    It's gonna be a damn cold wind coming off that towards us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭torres9kop


    Does that above chart say large volumes of snow for Dublin? Please say yes 👍



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Here’s the last frame of the ECM

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    New GFS run is ongoing, here’s how the last one looked way out in FI.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    At the moment snow in 2 weeks time is a great unknown. There are alot of cold runs but many of them are not cold enough to deliver snow as they have a slightly south-easterly component to them. To get snow in Dublin for the second week of December we are going to hope for -10C uppers to at least get into Leinster for a greater chance of snow near the east coast. The reason is the Irish sea is always in a fairly warm state at the start of winter, and this winter more than ever due to the very warm summer and warm Autumn. Irish sea surface temperatures are currently above where they should be because of this so I feel we need that -10C upper air values over us to guarantee snow right to the coast. Further inland around the midlands and the west would not require uppers as cold as that, they could probably get away with -7C uppers with an easterly wind for snow further inland and to the west.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z operational not as good as the 6z in terms of delivering snow, however the GFS ensemble graph is losing the milder runs very quickly now with an overall majority of the runs bunching together in the -4 to -8 upper air category.

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    This is something we did not get at any stage last winter. Upper air temperatures last winter generally stayed above -1C and rarely dipped below that. It wasn't until April that we got some colder weather and indeed frosty weather. The start of this winter is certainly a whole lot different and that makes a very welcome change on the typical Atlantic driven pattern that regularly dominates Decembers most years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭booferking


    Ecm as good as it gets for winter wonderland this evening.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Significant snow potential from this could be sketchy. North sea/Irish sea are still very warm so while this will help with big convection, the convective process itself will warm the atmosphere and potentially lead to sleety slop, as well as making any advance of really cold uppers from Scandinavia just that bit harder to push eastwards enough to reach here.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭bazlers


    So meteoriteite58, you are telling me from next week until Christmas day we can expect whiteout conditions. ; )

    Although i think i can hear froggy firing up the snow train roller coaster ride..

    Im betting a thread before Friday. All aboard!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I just hope if we do miss out on snowy cold in the first half of December, that just as the vortex winds itself we get a ssw due to the extensive blocking in the early part of December. If this were to happen we then could get a notable cold spell in the heart of winter. That's something I really would dearly love to see for a few reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭pauldry


    We got stung last year with the great Christmas whiteout prediction. We are not going to fall for it again. Are we? Only this year the seasons seem to be textbook.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    I caved and bought my ticket for the snow train!



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