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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Its the same situation in the DF, financial undertakings, I did it myself. The DF fund XYZ, then you repay by serving time or buying yourself out. So, the private company paid DOD whatever was outstanding.

    The problem for the DF is, the personnel have to want to be there, to eh, be there. Its not a 9-5 that you just mindlessly get up and go to every day. Personnel need to be motivated to stay.

    Having a mandatory service contract is a bit more complex. The main thing you need is a deterrent to stop people going AWOL. We don't really use military prisons anymore. There's not much stopping people from going AWOL if mandatory time is brought in.

    What would I do? Firstly, I'd understand their motivations for leaving. Then go from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Salaries 20 to 30 k higher in Stryker than they would have started on in the NS, once qualified.

    Thats it, that's the motivation.

    I really believe - and I've said it here before - that a key component of a solution to the retention crisis in the DF, would be to allow older people to sign up, those that may already have long term technical or leadership experience, that may already have a good living behind them and be interested in a military career for a spell of 5 or 10 years and to keep the connection as an active reservist thereafter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    A bit from the Business Post

    The state will provide security and surveillance for privately owned sub-sea internet cables in Ireland following the suspected attack on the Nord Stream 1 gas pipeline into Germany.

    Ossian Smyth, Minister of State with responsibility for communications, said the Department of Environment, the Department of Defence and several private companies who own the cables met in the aftermath of the Nord Stream 1 leak two weeks ago. At the meeting, the government agreed to provide increased surveillance of their cables.

    Smyth said that while the sub-sea internet cables were important, the protection of energy connections with Britian were a higher priority.

    “The gas interconnectors are obviously the priority; electricity interconnectors are second and communications cables are last,” Smyth said. “But they are all critical infrastructure, whether they are privately owned or publicly owned.”

    The Business Post understands that surveillance will be carried out on Ireland’s underwater energy and communications infrastructure through greater air patrols, naval patrols, and even the use of submersible drone technology.

    It comes as the European Commission announced plans to increase the protection of undersea internet cables last Wednesday. “It is in the interest of all Europeans to better protect this critical infrastructure,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, said.

    Unveiling a five-point plan to protect critical infrastructure, Von der Leyen said the EU would increase satellite surveillance, and would help member states conduct stress tests on energy and communications offshore infrastructure.

    Smyth said Ireland would take part in the stress testing of its sub-sea infrastructure.

    “We will of course take part. Because we are an island, this concerns us more than most – it concerns us more than Austria, for example. All of our international connections are sub-sea, whereas there are other countries that have mostly overland connections,” he said.

    “The kind of things you expect in a stress test would be scenario planning for if you lost a certain quantity of connectivity or sub-sea cables. It’s about testing in theory how resilient our networks are.”

    As well as plans to stress test the physical security of infrastructure, the Business Post understands that a cyber attack-specific emergency exercise for Ireland’s key energy infrastructure will take place at the National Emergency Coordination Centre in November to prepare for any potential cyber attacks this winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Bullsh*t, we scarcely have the resources for 9-5 surveillance taskings and we DEFINITELY don't have the resources to cover the great distance of these cables or adequate sub-surface surveillance gear.

    We should just stop lying to ourselves and everyone else and admit that NATO SSNs and ASW surface units are going to do this work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Dont worry there will be a big press release next year when the two 295s go opertional and how they will sort the surveillance issue. Just dont ask what happens when one is in for service and the other is doing transport duties



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Or their lack of detection equipment for anything underwater...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The 295s have some level of Bathymetric LIDAR, which can detect submarines and mines, depending on their configuration.

    We'll never be told exactly what the power and resolution of the system is, but unless we had both aircraft flying 24/7 and Naval ASW assets to back them up then its kinda pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A serious enough situation for British and Western defence intelligence, you would think.

    They should let it be known, that unless they desist completely and leave China if they are there in person, MI-6 are going to assassinate them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Skip past the headline but in the story it appears Gormanston as a recruit training base is up and running

    https://www.derrynow.com/news/crime---courts/954968/conditional-discharge-for-irish-army-bound-man-after-mad-night.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Is what is described as '2-Star training' also basic training?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,911 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yes. At the end of basic you are a 2 star private.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    He's right in what he says....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He's a right winger trying to make a name for himself. He's affiliated to Fine Gael's European Parliament grouping, but even Fine Gael often put the boot in on him for his lack of subjectivity and moderation as a commentator.

    He is also writing for a US audience in this case, as a big fish in a small pond. He is largely right in what he says, but the tone is insulting to the ordinary members of the defence forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    The Scorpion is a good machine. But I thought they had been retired? Or are they just gathering dust in an auld shed in the Curragh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He refers to the Air Corps as a Motley collection, a term meaning disparate and disorganised. That strikes me as an insult to the men and women who work hard every day with what they have, to make sure they are anything but.

    The remainder of the article presumes to suggest that, irrespective of current order of battle, Ireland's century old defence policies are basically frivolous and indulgent. The same policies which, even with a tinder box of civil disorder in the North, kept us the hell out the Cold War proxy battles.

    Don't you think the f***in Marxists wouldn't have invited the Soviets in here if they had had the chance during the worst of it? Cuba, right in the British isles. Our neutrality was the only thing which made us an honest broker, kept people in the Republic safe.

    Yes, Sweden and Finland are in convulsions with a complete change in stance, but they are land bordered with Russia. Its different for them in every way.

    Other than that, Drea's diatribe dismisses and disparages every political and geopolitical reality which brought Ireland to where it is. He ignores their historical existence.

    Its a sh1t article, terribly written, imbalanced and poorly researched and populated.

    Our military equipment is poor? Why thank you Dr Drea, why don't you tell us something we don't f***in know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What are you, his mother?

    I don't argue with the bare facts, it is though, as I said, a sh1t article.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    We have plenty of military jails in the US, but jail time is not the major deterrent from going AWOL (even though you will be arrested if AWOL and pulled over for speeding when on the family vacation or whatever. You will then be shipped to a base for outprocessing in most cases, court-martial in certain ones).

    What is the deterrent (other than social ostracisation) for quitting mid-contract is the loss of benefits and denial of opportunity. The US military isn't badly paid by any stretch of the imagination, but things like the VA mortgage have a benefit far greater than a large increase in pay on the civilian side. You want to buy a house? Zero dollar deposit required with a VA loan. On the civilian side, you usually need to fork over 20% on day 1 and pay a higher rate. Similarly, good luck getting a job with, say, the civil service. You reneged on the government once, you won't get a second chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If the the state offeref a VA style Mortage here it would help recruitment and retention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Not to mention RAF/RN Seakings very welcome in Ireland, landing frequently in Irish Hospitals & Airports & had very strong links with the RNLI/MRT's over here..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What has search and rescue got to do with neutrality??

    During the Cold War we had instances where NATO and Soviet ships and aircraft landed and berthed in Ireland in connection with searches for stricken vessels and planes, obviously the most frequent being British Sea Kings and Nimrods, who assisted us hundreds of times when we didn't have the air assets to conduct an open ocean search.

    Indeed LÉ Róisín was nearly sunk by damage sustained in phenomenal seas en route to the Canadian hunter-killer sub Chicoutimi, fire damaged and adrift far out off Mayo in 2004.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The Poor auld 139s are out the door working

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/1113/1335878-achill-island/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Psychlops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The air corps airlifted customs to the site. The 139s are never out of the air. AC112 must also be draining the life out of the air frames



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given how limited they are, I’m ok with this tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Would a mix not work. Have standard ones we have now for domestic operations and have 3 full military spec for any potential overseas mission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You know they'll just replace them with more civvy spec and paint them dark grey instead of green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Not us exactly but defence related as H&W is going to see some investment and work:

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/belfast-shipyard-chosen-to-build-new-naval-supply-vessels/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,429 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Of course it is, the DUP being thrown a bone before the bus comes.

    They'll be able to argue that HW couldn't possibly get work in a United Ireland because Ireland doesn't have a big military industrial complex to supply it.

    Which will ignore the fact that Harlands hasn't had a tap of shipbuilding work, of any kind, since 2002.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,244 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If the Mali Mission goes to Fu@k will the DOD have Hertz on speed dial to hire a few cars?

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/9759386/ireland-plans-follow-uks-lead-wont-pull-soldiers-mali/



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