Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Trump is not anti vaccine tbf. He always touts the roll out as one of his finest achievements, heck he infuriated Candance Owens in an interview when he said how amazing it was.

A major issue for Trump for many was he simply to obnoxious as his regular twitter ranting highlighted and he is clearly a moron. RDS has always been much more disciplined and for all his flaws he is not stupid. He also has a sizeable age advantage, Trump is near 80 been in the national spotlight for forever while RDS for many is still a shiny new toy.

For what its worth I don't see how Trump loses a primary , about 30% of the population seem to be all in on him.

Yeah I’d agree he wasn’t antivax, he actually at the start of vivid made a couple of good choices, although some stupid like keeping people on the cruise ship. Operation warp speed despite the ridiculous title was good, he initially listened to good advice but then after a while lost interest and said and did whatever was best for himself in any given moment.

I just cannot see DeSantis beating Trump in a primary contest. He's a charisma vacuum whereas Trump's a TV guy who can be quite funny and charming in a weird sort of way at times. It's why a lot of people who have tried to model themselves on Trump have failed. They mimic all his extreme positions but don't lighten it up with the softer touch stuff.

RDS beating Trump is absurd to consider in a primary. The base of RDS is the more educated wealthy GOP voters , but the rubes aka the majority who vote idolise Trump. RDS to beat Trump would need the primary to between the two of them, but its going to be crowded which is perfect for Trump as about 40% of the base are all in for him which is more than enough.

Beating Trump in a primary wouldn't be much easier than beating Obama in a Dem primary (if he was allowed to run).

Best case for RDS is to hope Trumps health fails and he gets barred from running legally but that seems highly unlikely.

Looking at Fox News [as I do in order to get an ALTERNATIVE view of the news front being fed to the US public] Trump is blasting Maricopa County for voter fraud, a scam with voting machines not working in republican areas. Keri lake taken to a liberal democrat area to vote, Blake Masters had the election stolen from him, re-run the election.

At some stage, while he's rehearing the lines, his brain must recognize that what he's saying over and over is a big lie.

Looking at the CNN reports on the vote result so far, in particular the part where the California Reps results are shown and a number [single or double digit] is shown, is that a reference to the Reps district in California? I see California has 53 Congress districts so I'm assuming the numbers refer to the Congress districts.

Thats the truth. Trump's "if we [GOP] win that's down to me, if we [GOP] lose, that's not down to me" is a primetime example.

I can see how conscious/unconscious bias plays a strong part in how people choose what pass for reliable reports by relying on particular internet and media sources. For myself, I rely on CNN, WaPo and NYT mainly with spot checks on Bloomberg HD and random newspapers from around the US to verify what my prime sources tell me.

If it's really peculiar, I look up FoxNews to see if it has a reverse angle from Trump to confirm there is something in the story. Trump does his best to get people, including those in his support base, knickers in a twist.

I guess that if Mitch McConnell stays on [he says he has the votes needed] as senate minority leader in the new session, it will cause Trump to have another tantrum before/around the time of his important annnouncement. I'm waiting for another person [or 2] to deliberately let the media know they are thinking of running for the fun of it and give him another meltdown - glances at Pence and Desantis.

He must still be making good money from the MAGA base with the fundraising text messages and emails.

Also proably hoping as a candidate he can hold off the wave of law suits against him.

I note that the final votes are taking a very suspiciously long time to tally for Congress.

Should the election for Congress be annulled until they can work out wtf is going on?

Maybe replay the elections in those states where the Dems have clearly done less well than expected?

We can respect the results when they are shown to be FAIR!!!

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So, how much more restrictive is this on his ability to raise funds?

Don seems to be taking the news that AG Garland has appointed a special counsel to oversee the investigation into the documents found at Mar-A-Lago and involvement with the Capitol insurrection bid calmly. It seems Dons legal team had been expecting the bad news.

I think that as well, a way of saying "it's an independent investigation, outside presidential and DOJ reins". As for the calls to appoint one to investigate Biden's son, there is an existing one already appointed during the Trump presidency, though some GOP people seem to have forgotten about it.

Pence is a kind of Christian mystic looney and you have to examine his behaviour through that lens.

He seems to believe that made up nonsense .

We should just be grateful that he took his duty to the constitution seriously and that he is not in thrall to the cult of the Don.

And not to forget the apparent physical and mental fortitude he displayed in not abandoning his post when it was easier to leave the Capitol for a safer refuge.

It is painful to watch him.Were he not representative of so many others like him we would just avert our gaze away from the embarrassing spectacle he presents.

Trump has limited comedic skills but these disappear when you see the shallowness of the water he is baby paddling in.

Obama does have good comedic skills and gave Trevah Noa a good run for his money on the show a few days ago

Actually I disagree about Trump being the worst,stupidest ,most embarrassing President ever.I think "human being" describes it better

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/22/politics/supreme-court-clears-way-for-house-to-get-trumps-taxes/index.html

"Supreme Court clears way for House to get Trump’s taxes"

+ "It was not immediately clear when the committee will receive the documents"

I wonder what actually happens.Does Trump just wait for the new Republican House to disband the Committee?

Does that happen in the new year?

Do they try to get anything from him in return for disbanding the Committee?

I understand that they are still confidential but that some of the contents may be "leaked"

Watch this space....

Allegedly this is what he thinks about the USSC decision: "Why would anyone be surprised that the Supreme Court has ruled against me?" the former president has questioned with irony through his profile on Truth Social, the social network that he himself promoted after being expelled from Twitter and where he now seems to have been readmitted.