Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

The smaller a majority they get the harder it will be for them,I imagine.Are there any new (or existing) Rep members of Congress who would work in any way with Biden I wonder.

Are they likely to dispense with Trump if they perceive him as a liability to reelection?(is it again in 2 years?)

He seems less likely to return as Pres after this (second) lacklustre result.

What makes you say the Reps are hugely unlikely to take the Senate in Nevada?

They are leading by a small (1.8%) amount with 16% left to count.

Do the Dems have an advantage in the final votes?

I think Jan 6th Committee has done a great job of showing to many that were probably of the mind that this was nothing more than a match-day rumble, that it was very coordinated and Trump was at the very core.

It wouldn't have changed of the Trump supporter's minds, which are given way too much prominence in the media, but for those sitting on the fence, it might well have swayed them to vote for Demo, even though their inclination would be aligned to GOP because democracy is worth more.

The abortion issue was massive. A bit like Brexit, it makes a great-sounding rally call. Up until the point that it actually comes to pass and reality hits. For many, the constant demand for the overturning of Roe v Wade would have been ignored, just noise when it would never really happen. When it did, then it was because reality and young women, in particular, were not impressed. It also took away a major reason to vote GOP. If abortion was a major part of your voting reason, well success was achieved there really was nothing else to drive you to vote.

Trump is not anti vaccine tbf. He always touts the roll out as one of his finest achievements, heck he infuriated Candance Owens in an interview when he said how amazing it was.

A major issue for Trump for many was he simply to obnoxious as his regular twitter ranting highlighted and he is clearly a moron. RDS has always been much more disciplined and for all his flaws he is not stupid. He also has a sizeable age advantage, Trump is near 80 been in the national spotlight for forever while RDS for many is still a shiny new toy.

For what its worth I don't see how Trump loses a primary , about 30% of the population seem to be all in on him.

Yeah I’d agree he wasn’t antivax, he actually at the start of vivid made a couple of good choices, although some stupid like keeping people on the cruise ship. Operation warp speed despite the ridiculous title was good, he initially listened to good advice but then after a while lost interest and said and did whatever was best for himself in any given moment.

I just cannot see DeSantis beating Trump in a primary contest. He's a charisma vacuum whereas Trump's a TV guy who can be quite funny and charming in a weird sort of way at times. It's why a lot of people who have tried to model themselves on Trump have failed. They mimic all his extreme positions but don't lighten it up with the softer touch stuff.

RDS beating Trump is absurd to consider in a primary. The base of RDS is the more educated wealthy GOP voters , but the rubes aka the majority who vote idolise Trump. RDS to beat Trump would need the primary to between the two of them, but its going to be crowded which is perfect for Trump as about 40% of the base are all in for him which is more than enough.

Beating Trump in a primary wouldn't be much easier than beating Obama in a Dem primary (if he was allowed to run).

Best case for RDS is to hope Trumps health fails and he gets barred from running legally but that seems highly unlikely.

Looking at Fox News [as I do in order to get an ALTERNATIVE view of the news front being fed to the US public] Trump is blasting Maricopa County for voter fraud, a scam with voting machines not working in republican areas. Keri lake taken to a liberal democrat area to vote, Blake Masters had the election stolen from him, re-run the election.

At some stage, while he's rehearing the lines, his brain must recognize that what he's saying over and over is a big lie.

Of course he does.

Of course they all do.

But they can't admit to failure.

They're pragmatists.

Masters was gung-ho anti abortion to attract votes for his selection. All that image was instantly ditched once he had to attract the moderates and face off agsinst Kelly. People saw through all of that.

Lake has spent the past 6 months telling anyone who will listen the exact same line that trump spun 2 years ago.

"If I win then its a perfect election, and if i lose then it will have been stolen by the libs."

It's ego and greed, and at this stage, beyond just being plain false, it's wearying for the vast majority of the reasonable electorate with even a smidgeon of common sense.

They know its not true, but their whole credibility is wrapped up in this lie. They've nothing beyond this "DEMs are bad" conspiracy to offer.

And that's why they've failed so badly in these midterms.

Looking at the CNN reports on the vote result so far, in particular the part where the California Reps results are shown and a number [single or double digit] is shown, is that a reference to the Reps district in California? I see California has 53 Congress districts so I'm assuming the numbers refer to the Congress districts.