Youths Rugby

Lsdrugbyfan · 22-10-2022 1:19pm

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he is more athlete than rugby player, didnt even start for munster clubs

ulsteru20s · 22-10-2022 2:56pm

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For the non Leinster provinces, I think i’d keep a spot for those kinds of guys. You can make a rugby player but you can’t make an athlete. Depending on their attitude, though.

luke9311 · 22-10-2022 3:43pm

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thats not the same sheridan playing for lansdowne 20s at the minute do you know? seen a player called sheridan on there teamsheets before seems decent enough cant remember what his first name was tho.

Locke_Lamora · 22-10-2022 3:56pm

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Charlie Sheridan is Naas I think.

Lsdrugbyfan · 24-10-2022 8:47am

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Yeah he is playing AIL for Naas at 18.

snotboogie · 07-11-2022 12:45pm

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Munster seem to be tapping into immigrant communities far better than any other province. They have Oji, Te Pou, Kareem and Edogbo, also Giwa who didn’t make the squad. I don’t think there is a single player across the other 3 provinces’ NTS from a non European background.

stephen_n · 07-11-2022 10:30pm

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cormac izuchukwu - Ulster

Temi Lasisi - Leinster

snotboogie · 07-11-2022 11:04pm

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They are academy players. I am talking about the NTS line ups.

Lost Ormond · 21-11-2022 8:10pm

Comps update...

Connacht leagues at 16s/18s. 2/3 rounds in.

18s division 1 Buccs and Sligo started strong. Division 2 Ballinasloe, Corrib, Westport leading so far

17s division 1 Sligo, Buccs, Corinthians going well Division 2 Castlebar, Corrib

16s Division 1 Sligo, Buccs, Corinthians, Ballina.. Division 2 Connemara-Oughterard, Castlebar

Munster

Phase 1 nearly finished bar a few catch up games/playoffs. so most group qualifiers are known

16s

Section 1

Young Munster 1st, Shannon/Ennis or Garryowen 2nd/3rd. playoffs

Section 2

Corcha Dhuibhne v Castleisland final game next weekend. Corca Dhuibne 2nd win or lose. Castleisiand last but a win would put them third. Killorglin, Listowel will want CD to win and then its tiebreaker with Killorglin having beat Listowel in group game

Section 3

Nenagh 1st, Bruff 2nd, Kanturk 3rd

Section 4

Bandon 1st, Clonakilty 2nd, Kinsale 3rd

Section5

Highfield 1st, Cork Con 2nd, Ballincollig 3rd

Section 6

Fermoy finished on 16 points. Waterpark 1 to play on 12 points. Clonmel finished on 12 points. W City 1 to play on 8. Both waterford sides play winless fethard. assume both win the games then it would be Waterpark 1st, Fermoy 2nd, Clonmel 3rd

Section 7

Youghal 1st, Midleton 2nd, Cobh 3rd

18s

Section 1

Young Munster, Garryowen, Crescent and Shannon all on 16 points. Garryowen v Crescent playoff next weekend...

Section 2

Abbeyfeale-Listowel 1st, Killarney 2nd, Killorglin 3rd

Section 3

Ennis Black 1st, Cashel-Thurles 2nd, Bruff White 3rd

Section 4

Kinsale 1st, Bantry Bay 2nd, Bandon 3rd

Section 5

Highfield 1st, Carrigaline-Dolphin 2nd, Sundays Well 3rd

Section 6

Waterpark 1st Clonmel 2nd. Cobh 3rd. Midleton 4th. Waterpark play Midleton in final game next weekend. Midleton must win to qualify for cup ahead of Cobh

LRind2008 · 24-11-2022 12:05pm

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Genuinely the strangest post ive seen on this website to date

Lost Ormond · 05-12-2022 9:04pm

Munster under 16 and 18 competitions phase 2 draws have been made.

Structure of these competitions are up with best in country. Shame that Munster dont do enough to keep so many of these playing to 20s. Some may play junior 1/2 at 18 but many may not want/be ready for that and not able to play 20s

54 teams in 16s and 41 in 18s with some clubs entering their 15s into the 16s bowl especially North Munster sides with the main league at that age group hnished,

Lost Ormond · 03-02-2023 10:53pm

Nearly at knock out stages in the Munster cup/plate/bowl competitions.

Connacht cup draws made and Leagues in/around semi final stage.

Leinster leagues in phase 2 and nearing knock out stages

Hopefully provincial websites have some coverage of these soon enough...

sydthebeat · 13-02-2023 9:44am

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I'm interested to know more about the Munster competition structures. Are they done in a different way to other provinces? Are the league structures and play offs the same for all grades?

Quin_Dub · 13-02-2023 10:45am

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Up to Under 15 , the leagues and cups are kept at the regional level - North/South/East/West Munster.

At U16 and U18.5 there are full provincial competitions.

Typically they run in 3 phases - Phase one runs roughly from October to December and will be groups of 6 teams , usually loosely based around the geographic regions. So for example you might have two groups comprising the clubs from Clare & Limerick with a few additional teams like Nenagh , Galbally etc. to fill the groups.

Everybody plays everybody once - The standings at the end of this phase determine whether the teams move on to the Cup, Plate or Bowl competition in phase 2 - Again typically top two from each group will move the Cup competition etc.

Some of the regions use this phase as a qualifier for their regional league trophies with the top ranked teams playing League QF/SF knockouts.

Phase 2 is played January - February and will be province wide - Again , usually 4 groups of 6 in each competition.

Top two in this phase will move to a knock-out phase at QF stage , with the finals usually played mid March.

There are also a few additional knock-out competitions for team that don't qualify.

On the completion of the Munster Cups , the regional cups will then be played.

North Munster uniquely have 2 Cup competitions at U16 and U18.5 - The "Open" and "Closed" cups.

The Closed Cup is the standard comp , using the same squads/players as have been playing all season with the club teams.

The "open" cup is the extra one and here , clubs are allowed to use players that have been involved in Schools Junior and Senior cup squads.

Basically , it allows the Limerick clubs in particular get their schools based players back in a club jersey to stay connected to their clubs.

Lost Ormond · 13-02-2023 11:08am

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Yeah like Quinn says u13/14/15 there is leagues in North, East, South, West regions. then at 16s and 18.5s there is 6/7 groups in phase 1 which are geographically split up. after that finishes teams enter the cup/plate/bowl in phase 2. generally top 3 in each group enter cup with numbers entering plate/bowl dependent on numbers.

Then its 3 groups of 6 in cup. and there is cup quarter finals and on. There also is a competition in each of cup, plate and bowl for those who dont qualify for the knock out stages.

@quin Nenagh are now a north Munster club and compete with Limerick/clare clubs at all levels

Yeah all provinces operate quite differently. Connacht run a straight league. 18s league finals were actually yesterday with Sligo beating Corinthians in A final 26-23 and Ballinasloe beating Westport in B Final 44-12

16s A final also played Buccs beat Sligo 13-8

sydthebeat · 13-02-2023 11:45am

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120234953#Comment_120234953

great info both thank you!

its very interesting that they don't go "full province" until phase 2.

The "cup plate and bowl" just sound like different names for league divisions like premier, div 1 div 2 etc?

are these plays as league style?

i love the idea of the 'open cup'. its a big issue for some leinster teams that they lose contact with the players who attend rugby schools. Something like that would be very beneficial.

and is the "closed cup" the main 'munster cup' that all teams take part in and seen as the major cup competition of the season?

Lost Ormond · 13-02-2023 11:51am

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Yeah full province not until 2nd phase is much better. reduces walkovers as well and teams play locally first and get sense of where theyre at for year. the cup, plate and bowl are played with 2/3/4 groups depending on numbers so teams will play in general about 6/7 games in phase 1 and then if in cup will play 5 group games and then 3 knock out games to win the provincial title.

at 16s level. there is quite a few of the bigger/stronger u15s teams entering the 16s bowl as there league finishes pre christmas or early january so gets those sides more games as well

An open cup in Leinster would be class. really should happen with all clubs including many who dont play youths rugby at all usually.

No the closed cup is not main munster cup. its a North Munster regional cup.

Quin_Dub · 13-02-2023 11:59am

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At U13/14/15 the standard cup competitions would be the "main" target for the season with the league not far behind.

At U16 and U18.5 the full "Pan-Munster" (as it used to be called) would be the Premier competition - Phase 1 and Phase 2 are round-robin league style before moving to a knock-out phase.

The introduction of the Plate/Bowl competitions a few years ago basically ensures that every team regardless of standard is guaranteed 10/12+ competitive fixtures as even if you lost all the phase 1 games you then move to a plate/bowl phase 2 with another ~5 games hopefully at a more competitive level for the team.

The Cup competitions usually only have 3 or 4 games in them if you get to a Final as you might only have 10 or 12 teams entering (particularly at U18.5).

A Club team at U16/U18.5 that is competitive and getting to a SF or Final across the various competitions is likely playing close to 20 competitive games in the season - ~14 for the Munster Cup and at least another 5 or 6 in the regional Cup/Leagues.

mun1 · 13-02-2023 4:24pm

there is a Munster U14 boys cup competition in place for this season also. in a trial format for tis season and then expected to be fully developed for next season (along lines of U16/U18.5).

there are also regional U16 & U18.5 league competitions North & South played in down weeks for Munster clubs.

Lost Ormond · 13-02-2023 4:35pm

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Yeah the 14s is new. Hopefully North Munster sides will compete next season.

The regional leagues in North are just knock out games based on results/placings from phase 1.

mun1 · 13-02-2023 5:28pm

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North munster team will be taking part in U14 munster clubs competition this season.

regional leagues are not based on results/placing from phase 1.

Lost Ormond · 13-02-2023 5:37pm

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Are they? The group stages dont include them. they are based on the regional league results and the North league still has rounds to go so are north clubs going straight into knockouts??

tabby aspreme · 16-02-2023 11:20am

2nd and final, round of U18 women's interpro matches today in Terenure, Connaught v Ulster @ 12.30 Munster v Leinster @2.15

kita99 · 06-03-2023 4:49am

Japan U 18 team (graduating high-school=in Japan new term of school is april at whole revel) comes to Ireland in coming marach. They have been special hard training in late one month.There are a few foreign students from southern hemisphere receiving scholarship for rugby only. They are powerful.the shedule has been released in Japan.First they have training match with trinity college and after it they'll meet 2 matches with Ireland u18 +u19.The date is decided 1st game 16th and 2nd game 21th.Both are played in Dublin. Detail is yet released. IRFU has not give no message about it. maybe nothing is prepared now. But the opponent is the future's natinal team members.So I think that there is a bit training seesion for the match and selections. In that county, they (players etc ) are ecited for matches against youth team of world no1 country.

salmocab · 06-03-2023 10:39am

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I take it from this that Munster do two year age groups? U14,16,18.5 at mini are they single years?

Quin_Dub · 06-03-2023 10:43am

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No.. there are single year age groups all the way to U16 , the only 2 year gap (actually 2.5) is the jump from U16 to U18.5.

Up to now , the only full province competitions were at U16 and U18.5 , all the rest were at the regional level.

Lost Ormond · 06-03-2023 10:45am

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minis is single year. there is under 13 leagues in 3 of the 4 regions and then there is u15 league in north munster.

Strand1970 · 06-03-2023 5:30pm

Connacht has 13 up to 18.5 age groups in single years for boys and 14, 16 & 18 for girls.

Lost Ormond · 06-03-2023 6:14pm

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Works well. clubs pick and choose which levels they compete in. Biggest clubs compete in all of them and having multiple teams in some age groups with smaller clubs sometimes playing every second age group because of numbers or join together at an age group especially 17s/18.5s

tabby aspreme · 11-03-2023 9:36am

When 17's and 18's merge it can be very mismatched, as you may have a 16 yo playing against an 18yo, due to the 18.5 age limit, some players end up playing for 3 years in this age group.

Lost Ormond · 11-03-2023 5:37pm

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Yes it can but some clubs cant field in 17s and 18s same weekend so need to go to 18s. Bigger clubs can do bth. not many players will play 3 years of 18s

tabby aspreme · 11-03-2023 6:08pm

Id rather see small clubs merge and field separate 17's and 18's, small clubs lose player's as 16yo player's and their parents, may not like the idea of playing against 18 yo's

Lost Ormond · 11-03-2023 6:18pm

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Many clubs dont want that and i think keeping separate identities where possible should be better. better off in some cases keeping a large 18s squad and find games for the weaker players to play than merging for 17s alone when they have more than enough for a good squad at 18s. squad management for coaches is issue there

Lost Ormond · 21-03-2023 6:01pm

Irish 18s squads named. No full squad listed anywhere yet but clubs releasing names

Locke_Lamora · 22-03-2023 11:34am

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Is this for the u18 six nations?

The clubs and schools usually have a game against Italy as well.

Lost Ormond · 22-03-2023 2:04pm

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Yes both named. Clubs and schools not playing England counties side but are replacing those games with a game against Italy and others. Clubs team beat Italy comfortably in November so hopefully Italians will be stronger even if this is the 2nd/'b' irish side

Lost Ormond · 29-03-2023 12:14am

u18 fixtures and times confirmed for 6 nations which is being held in Donnybrook

April 8th, 12th and 16th Ireland play Scotland, Wales and England.

Lost Ormond · 12-04-2023 7:01pm

Ireland results over past few days

Ireland u18s Clubs and Schools 24 Italy u18s 26

France u19s 52 Ireland u19s 7

Ireland u18 Schools 36 Scotland u18s 20

France u19s v Ireland u19s about to kick off

Ireland u18 Schools 48 Wales u18s 17

Lost Ormond · 09-05-2023 4:13pm

https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/twenty-youths-finals-played-in-energia-park-over-may-bank-holiday/

Lost Ormond · 25-07-2023 10:45am

provincial warm ups for interpros really kicking off this week and next

Munster 17s clubs and schools face each other this week and next week Munster u18 clubs and u18 schools play Sale

Connacht 17s and 18s play EIRA today and they play IQ in sportsground at the weekend

Connacht play Leinster at 19s Saturday week and their 18s play Ulster 18s schools in clongowes friday week

Leinster 18s play EIRA tomorrow. 19s play an internal game friday and

Lost Ormond · 25-07-2023 10:34pm

irish 18s squad named for cardiff trip in few weeks time

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/07/25/ireland-u-18-mens-squad-selected-for-development-week-in-wales/

Lost Ormond · 12-08-2023 5:07pm

Ireland won 2 from 3 in those games in cardiff losing to Italy and beating Scotland and Wales

Under 18 schools interpros started today. munster beat ulster 26-7

Lost Ormond · 03-09-2023 9:51pm

Connacht beat Munster today to win u18 Youths interpro title

Leinster finished 2nd, Munster 3rd and Ulster 4th

In 19s Leinster win title, Munster 2nd, Connacht 3rd, Ulster 4th

Lost Ormond · 02-11-2023 6:21pm

Irish suads named

18s schools and 19s

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/ireland-u19-u18-schools-squads-named-for-training-camp/

ulsteru20s · 02-11-2023 6:40pm

I’m honestly kind of surprised about how many guys ulster got in these teams. We were gack in the interpros this year.

I’d feel a bit hard done by it i was munster at u19. They won last year at u18s schools and lost narrowly this year at u19. The representation seems to indicate there is a massive gap in talent between them and leinster and a narrow one between them and us. That was not my impression following the interpros the last couple of years.

Connacht feel a tad underrepresented as well.

Lost Ormond · 03-11-2023 3:43pm

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But last years interpros shouldnt have much if any relevance. so much rugby played in that time be it for players now playing adult rugby etc etc

ulsteru20s · 03-11-2023 4:14pm

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fair enough. I find it hard to believe such across the board improvement in a year.

However, looking closer at the teams, there are probably two munster players playing up in u20s. Mix in an injury or two, it probably makes more sense.

I heard connacht had some athletes this year so surprised by their numbers.

ulsteru20s · 03-11-2023 5:44pm

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2023/11/03/ireland-u18-clubs-team-named-to-face-italy/

Great connacht representation.

realhorrorshow · 03-11-2023 6:54pm

I assume Rory Gavin is a brother of Hugh? Surprised Bryan Walsh isn't involved with the 19s.

snotboogie · 28-11-2023 2:48pm

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Any sign of the NTS for 23/24? We are nearly in December now and I've seen nothing.

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