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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,403 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I do not think it will. Russia will struggle to replace the military hardware it's expending at present.

    The mobilisation is a disaster. When these young men get to the front they will only be cannon fodder. Russian is now digging in tanks as they cannot keep them going. This is similar to Sadamm Hussein army in the Gulf war. Tanks that are not mobile are useless, they are not even good artillery as if you are out maneuvered they cannot retreat.

    The Russians cannot stabilize the present front. Can they stabilize it at the positions that were held before the start of the war.

    There other problem they have is if Georgia or some other republics see this as a chance to get the Russian yoke off there neck. Or you get a revolt in Belarus As well what if Poland or the Baltic republic's decide enough is enough.

    I believe the senarios above are unlikely but Russia is putting itself in a place where total collapse is not out of the question.

    Has Russia the logistics to supply a million troops along the Ukrainian front line from now until next March. If they survive that long can they rearm to continue the war.

    The only way I see that happening is if they can source war materials from outside Russia, that means China. Is China willing to supply Russian with 15-20 billion euro/ dollars worth of war materials and go head to head with the US and Europe in supplying a military theatre.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Field east


    That’s your wisdom for the west and your vision for the eastern countries - and particularly Ru- is —————-.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    At the end of the day China is not going to do anything that damages their ability to trade with the West. So I highly doubt they will supply Russia with anything more meaningful than "thoughts and prayers".

    The only outlets that Russia can tap up for rearmament is Iran and maybe North Korea.

    They certainly won't replenish their armour losses from either of those sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    in fairness there are 35-40 million people of Irish descent in the US. Legacy of British incompetence in this country in the 1840’s which so beautifully came back to bite them in the present day brexit fallout with the US . It is not in the interest of any US president to ignore that demographic and if anything that has only exponentially increased in importance since ww2 when relations with the US were at a low point. People say this country punches above its weight in world affairs but remember no other country in Europe suffered such a catastrophic population collapse as Ireland did in the 19th century even the most war ravaged countries of Europe in the 20th century did not have the demographic collapse that Ireland had. The US diaspora is the silver lining in that gloomy cloud and is where the missing Irish population are. So the current situation of US hegemony very much works in our favour. Remember the last time a Russian president visited here he couldn’t be bothered his bollox to get off the plane at Shannon. That’s where we stand with Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    that time they hacked our health service

    Yet, the EU are still supplying them with medicines and medical equipment.

    Because it would be immoral not to, something something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thousands and thousands emigrate to America from all over the world each year,,,and from Russia too., even now. A damn sight more than are migrating to Russia (flow is the other way round from Russia) but should that mean that the US should have an open borders policy? And no controls over who comes in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    In his defence, I think Yeltsin was, er...too "tired and emotional" to exit the aircraft.

    As tired and emotional as a newt, apparently.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Should be played 24/7 outside the russian embassy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,123 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    That is clearly a really poor attempt at a comedy sketch from years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    "It's hard to see past rewarding terrorism. Someone has to reward terrorism."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They were far too gentle getting her to the ground, but were probably concerned for the pavement. The woman passing with the child didn't seem to approve, just goes to show context is everything.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I take your points on the tank/anti-tank point. I suppose the major problem is training and maintenance if they get supplied with Western tanks? Back of the fag packet costs of say an Abrams tank versus an NLAW anti tank missile, one tank is the same price as 400 NLAWs and the latter has pretty much no maintenance and little training. The fancier Javelins are way pricier, but even so you'd get over a hundred of them for every Abrams.

    On this point:

    For all their merits, Ukraine are not a modern Western army, and don't expect them to fight as well as one.

    Again this is just me musing as a rank bloody amateur but... When I look at modern Western armies(and Russian for that matter) the wars they've fought over the last fifty years have been asymmetric conflicts(yeah I had to look up the right term😊). Where for the most part they were fighting under equipped insurgents. Wars where the modern Western military had overwhelming air superiority out of the gate that ground troops could rely on when they were for the most part fighting against warlords and shepards with AK's, RPG's and IDE's. OK we had the Iraqi war, but that was pretty asymmetric too. The Iraqi airforce legged it on the first day or two, so that wasn't in play and the US had overwhelming advantage in every other capacity.

    Even so these insurgent wars were no picnic, which is something I suspect Russia's going to have to deal with for years in the areas they have taken. I suppose my point would be that although Ukraine are not a modern Western army, they do have on the ground training in old style military against military war, the like of which Western militaries haven't dealt with since the Korean war. If we were to take an "average" US or UK soldier who had served tours in Afghanistan where they had come under attack, the fighting in Ukraine would be quite different, at least initially. How many Western veterans have been under sustained artillery fire for example, or had to deal with tanks and regular army forces, or had to deal with the numbers of casualities happening in short timeframes?

    Now I have no doubt that if Russia were facing NATO they'd be utterly and completely screwed. Their airforce would be stains on the ground within days, their comms would be reduced to waving flags and smoke signals and what shipping they had in the Black Sea would be unwilling submarines, but if the Russian land forces stayed and fought I suspect it wouldn't be so easy at first because of this older WW2 style warfare.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,847 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If there's whataboutery, attempts to derail, etc, you should use the 'Flag' button. Unlike some of the other threads, this one is actively moderated and as far as I know the Flag button now works but am open to correction on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...

    table.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can we have a pic of Putin with his new off-ramp bridge as his Peni... on second thoughts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Has anyone picked up on this report? Very interesting, if true, as it demonstrates Ukraines willingness to reach 200km into Russian territory in order to strike strategic targets. 2 x Tu-22 Strategic bombers destroyed, apparently.

    It's on multiple Eastern news channels, but I haven't seen any coverage here.





  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russian sentiment re their war on Ukraine, 'Why can't Ukrainians get on with us killing and raping them, with us stealing their kids and not resist. It'd be so simple, and it's really bad form from them to make this difficult for us. And HOW VERY DARE THEY attack our lovely bridge into Crimea, they KNOW this is how we get to our holiday destination - clearly a denial of our human rights. We'll just have to shell their city centres to learn them, but they very much brought this on themselves.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Human rights are for humans, which russians are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,123 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    That looks like an oil refinery judging by the structures involved and black smoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    "That? It's nothing...it's just where I rested my knob on the table."

    "Sure thing, boss..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    How'd that work out for Sean Connery's character?🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Spitting at secret service. See you in a couple years, tovarischka (or however you say it.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I see you're still going, want to throw up some links to back all this scutter up?

    They'll be fun to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A lot of them seem to be infected with the right wing Russian nationalism virus. The years of brainwashing by Putin have paid off - they genuinely believe they are a global superpower and destined to 'rule' the entirety of eastern Europe.

    The mass of contradictions with them is that they can't comprehend that Russia is little more than a third world country with a failing military.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,085 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Plus plus...

    Ukraine corrupt (no corruption to see here)

    Ukraine nazis (no nazis in Russia, Wagner is just a good composer)

    No NATO on our borders (hi Kalingrad & ps Finland is calling)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    Watching the clips from Olga Skabeyeva's show this morning, I was expecting some kind of sadistic jubilation at yesterday's strikes, and while the speakers talked it up for all its worth, I detected a real sense of misery among them, as if they were finally running out of things to sell to the Russian people...



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So Russia are trying to make it look like the attacks on civilian infrastructure is Ukraine is Ukraines fault now,incredible.

    I cant believe how stupid and desperate they are




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