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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The "Final Solution" regarding Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, will be decided by Ukraine, and no one else. And rightly so. The biggest mistake where Putin was concerned,was not hitting him, and hitting him as hard as possible when he started his illegal land grabs. Here we see the results of that failure to react to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There was a stage where the border between Ukraine and Russia was just seen as a formality and people from both populations moved between countries for work, marriage, vacation, trade etc. The question then is how did this start? Within Russia there is an active nationalist faction, that has it's own imperialist ambitions and wants to recreate the Soviet Union, you are talking about a country where Stalin is popular among a majority of the population. Politically the nationalists have been very active and it is something the Russian ruling class i.e. the Siloviki has been willing to use. Within Ukraine there is also an extreme nationalist faction, mostly originating in the Western Ukraine. Before all this the economic power in Ukraine is split between Kiev, Dnipro and Donetsk. The Ukrainian oligarchs fell out among themselves and used politics to advance their business. The fate of the Russian speaking populations in "near Russia", has an impact on Russian domestic politics that would cost Putin if he ignored it. The power struggles in Ukraine opened the door for the Russian invasion.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'm happy with 5:1. Can't see myself expending any effort trying to fix something I don't see as broken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On the US ending or reducing support for Ukraine in the winter...What's this "domestic leftist violence"? [Ant-eee-fah?]

    How is Biden a lame duck? I thought he was doing okay given the constraints of the creaking US political system and fact that the opposing party/"loyal" opposition has left the reservation for good & don't seem to believe in maintaining democracy any longer when they don't win the votes.

    edit: On a "lack of (US public) support for the war" (presume you mean a lack of support for US assistance to Ukraine) I got impression it was quite a popular policy, even in the Republican base. The efforts of some Republican "thought leaders" to push pro Russia/pro Putin messages, spread various conspiracy theories and undermine legitimacy of US support for Ukraine doesn't seem to have worked so well.

    Who are the Republican "war hawks"? The only war hawks on Ukraine are of course the Russians and Putin...US is just following the standard post-WW1 onwards policy in Europe of supplying (selling or giving) military support + weapons to countries coming under threat from revisionist, aggressive dictatorships with designs on conquering lands and peoples that do not belong to them and don't want to be ruled over by them. Nothing very hawkish there IMO.

    The ones trying to break the existing US foreign policy mould are some of the US Republicans who would happily leave Ukraine and Europe to swing in the wind + like you seem to have a bit of admiration for Vladimir Putin.

    A source I found with google for your image was a Russian UN rep. on Twitter, https://twitter.com/dpol_un. This account was retweeting someone else who said they got it from (what looks like) another pro-Russia/pro-Putin disinfo account. Account linked has also "retweeted" our own Mick Wallace! You're really doing the lord's work posting it up here to correct a "narrative"!

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  • Posts: 394 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My post probably isn't clear. He meant 5 Ukrainians dying for every 1 Russian. He was saying that the Russians lose ground but retreat to where they can take a lot of the Ukrainians out. That Ukraine is gaining a lot of territory but at a huge cost in terms of manpower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Occam's razor: They received still classified drone/autonomous surface vessels from the US around May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I don't think that's true ,

    I don't see boat or water Drone doing this, Id be looking at the train first to rule out a freak accident, it wasn't the truck either,

    But we don't see impact damage on the train or bridge from a missle or other munition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    For sure they have underperformed, their logistics is terrible. The regular Russian army has not yet folded in Kherson, despite being in a crap situation they have held, this demonstrates they can fight. I would not could them out yet, and history shows they have colossal f!ckups before and have been able to come back with reforms and sheer numbers. This is what they will attempt to do between January and April. The expected order is that Ukraine makes as much gains as it can before mud season bogs them down, there is a long pause before the Winter war.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    They 'underperformed' in the same way the Challenger space launch 'underperformed'. You don't need even basic logistics to fire a few RPG rounds into your rocket and shell warehouse so they aren't captured. Sheer numbers, not so sure about that either. Calling up 300,000 led to mass panic and protests, Ukraine has a population of 44 million to draw from and had to turn countless volunteers away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ah, well that's different. Got a link? Wouldn't happen to be one of those paid traitors, by any chance?

    I can't see there being the obvious high morale among the Ukrainian military if they were suffering such losses. They are positively ebullient.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I disbelieve that completely. I expect the reverse figures. According to those figures Ukraine would have lost 12.5k troops last week and have 36k wounded.

    Technology is wining this war not manpower.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Big explosion and fire reported near Yevpatoriya

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    True, but we can't see the section of road underwater. There was a photo going around purported to show the underside of the bridge with little to no blast or fire damage, unlike the top deck of both road sections. So I am also now leaning towards something from above. It wasn't the train though, that has little blast damage which would make the collapse of the road section furthest away from it very puzzling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Surely if Russia held territory, then tactically retreated to a position so that they could kill 5 times as many Ukrainian soldiers as they themselves take as casualties, then it would be relatively trivial for them to advance against the decimated Ukrainians and retake the territory they just retreated from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,852 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The hurt is palpable with the Russian sympathisers tonight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    John McCain is dead. Liz Cheney daughter of Dick Cheney of the Iraq war recently lost her seat. There is a faction in the Republican party and indeed the Democrats who see the aid to Ukraine as none or their business and they will hold more sway after the election. The Republicans are expected to take the house of representatives in November and maybe the senate too. That leaves a lame duck president that may well be impeached for whatever reson, they set the bar low with Trump. Considering the activity of the leftists while Trump was president, their current activity against the Supreme court justices, they are not likely to accept a Republican dominated house, senate and supreme court and start agitating again. Couple that with the inflation and cost of living struggles of the middle class, domestic concerns can mean support for the Ukraine is not favoured as they concentrate on the 2024 elections.

    Right now in Germany and across Europe a shortage of gas molecules affects industrial production, electricity and gas heating. It will take at least 3 years before any semblance of stability is restore to the gas markets and in the interim that is a lot of supply destruction for the good produced by those processes. Politically there will be pressure from industry on politicians to bring about a resolution. That opens the appalling vista of a war economy as more money and resourcs are fed into the war machine to make up for stimulus. The domestic political environment will become very unstable, we can expect strikes, and outages and large bankruptcies in Europe.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭hometruths_real


    when he said it was 5:1 due to artillery and air power, I laughed

    the war would be over with those types of numbers and air power has been non existent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭threeball


    If Medvedev had a spark of sense he'd be keeping his big gob shut and positioning himself to fill Putins boots after his inevitable demise. It seems none of them are intelligent enough to play that game. Stay onside with Putin but remain palatable to the west.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭threeball


    Not true, VW group and Mercedes are two of the leading companies in the electrification of cars and will eventually surpass Tesla in the coming years. The Japanese will suffer as they haven't embraced electric cars are banking on hydrogen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,204 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    There appear to be two of them. It seems clear that certain Americans will do absolutely anything for money.

    I give you retired US senator (Republican of course), Col. Richard Black:

    Retired US colonel predicted the inevitable defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Col. Richard Black: U.S. Leading World to Nuclear War

    April 30, 2022

    "Ukraine is meaningless to Americans; it has no impact on our day-to-day lives.

    And yet we're playing this reckless game that risks the lives of all people in the

    United States and Western Europe for nothing! Just absolutely for nothing!"


    US Col. Richard Black Asks: Did U.S/NATO Blow up the Nord Stream ...

    “We Will Not Be Silenced! Speaking Truth in Times of War.”

    People in the trans-Atlantic nations ask, “Why are we spending tens of billions we don’t have in a war that we don’t want?”And with the Nordstream pipeline explosions, credibility of the political elites is at an all-time low.


    In April 2014, Black sent an official letter to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad,[38] thanking "the Syrian Arab Army for its heroic rescue of Christians in the Qalamoun Mountain Range",[38] praising Assad for "treating with respect all Christians and the small community of Jews in Damascus," and stating it was obvious that the rebel side of the war was largely being fought by "vicious war criminals linked to Al Qaeda"


    On April 27, 2016, Black began a three-day trip to Syria in support of its government.[43] Explaining his trip in a series of Twitter exchanges with The Washington Post, Black wrote that the United States was "allied with two of the most vile nations on earth, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which are intent on imposing a [Wahhabi] fundamentalist government on the Syrian people."[43]


    https://larouchepub.com/pr/2022/20220527_disinformation.html

    May 27, 2022 (EIRNS)—Two days ago, Ukraine’s “Center for Countering Disinformation” issued a warning through its Telegram channel that people must not believe “U.S. Army Colonel, former Senator Richard Black [who] promotes the Kremlin narrative about Russia’s imminent victory.”

    I feel genuinely icky and unclean after delving into the antics of that gauleiter.

    Back to our normal programming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    German Motor industry is finished if Electric vehicles become mandatory???? Only difference between EV's and Diesel/ Petrol engined cars is the power source,,,everything else in the same. Bodys. Interiors, drive trains, brakes, steering etc. Production lines will still be the same...car bodies will still have to be manufactured, regardless of the power source, be it electric or ICE. No, I doubt German vehicle production will be affected. Probably increase if anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Eh Toyota are the biggest producers of hybrid cars at this very moment in time, so hush :-) , anyway this is off topic.

    Why is no one talking about the main radio and TV transmitter in Moscow being on fire, seems significant to me

    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1579236752833015808?s=20&t=SqtxlYl9znt09lK3zVHyHQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I wager it will be civil war between the oligarchs Or maybe the military will do a purge ? Neither is going to be pretty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭jimmyging


    The German automotive industry are still at least 5 years behind Tesla software wise as they spent a lot of their time in the last ten years developing cheat devices for emissions . They have no one to blame but themselves for the laggard position they find themselves in .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,888 ✭✭✭threeball


    It wasn't the train because the section that blew out was on the opposite side to the train track and the road in-between is still fairly intact.

    If I was to guess it was marine based. Blew out a pillar to drop a section and the shrapnel penetrated the fuel tanks on the train causing them to ignite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,407 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I had to laugh when he talked about Russian artillery, Airforce and long range strike weapons being used in kill zones. He is dreaming. He talks about organized retreating to better defensive position. Is this why they leave supplies and ammo behind them.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks, hadn't heard of that one. The other link up thread I just clicked to confirm my guess, then power washed myself in bleach.



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