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  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A piece of advice for some. If you see it on Twitter/ Telegram / Tiktok or similar, please have a quick check before you lose your ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,842 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It's not 1943, the Ukrainians are prepared to take prisoners I thought?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Well they can take in some if they like. But I would not be proactively taking them. Leave them to it in a no mans land mad max style im sure they will thin each other out fairly sharpish when booze becomes a hot commodity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are but the amount of dead russians being stacked up suggest not everyone is on the same hymm sheet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    The EU warning of retaliation for the gas pipe lines attack. This could get of hand very quickly indeed. Might need more than the Irish fishermen to defend the transatlantic communications cables for the foreseeable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Some reports coming from Germany that they are assuming NS1 and NS2 may never be repaired or work again.

    German security authorities assume that the three tubes of the Baltic Sea pipeline Nord Stream 1 and 2 will be forever unusable after alleged acts of sabotage . If they are not repaired quickly, a lot of salt water will run in and corrode the pipelines, the Tagesspiegel learned from government circles.

    And of course that makes sense, as soon as the gas stops flowing the water rushes in, wonder how far the water could travel before a cut off point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Saying it for weeks now but Twitter is an absolute toilet. I guess it's a sign of how gullible people have become that anyone at all takes it at face value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Who's going to want to pay to fix it only be to bent over another barrel in a few years .

    Heed uncle Joe's warning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Clearly they must be warning the US. Biden better watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Ahhhhh, I see now where you took a wrong turn off the logical path.

    What I actually said was "both sides are seldom equal".

    So, it's an endorsement rather than a retraction !

    I totally disagree with your initial, lame, "ah, sure we're all God's children" approach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Sea water on the inside would be catastrophic imop. Also you could have 100s of meters of micro fractures now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Yes indeed, and I have an excellent example to show you. A while back, Russian Navy ships appeared off the Cork coast. Now, most ships have a transponder system called ATIS, which again, gives its location. Now, none of the Russian Navy ships had transponders switched on. However, their fuel ships, or oilers, did. They follow the Navy flotilla and top up fuel when needed. Now, here is where a bit of OSINT came into play this morning, just for you!

    One of these oilers we know to be the Akademik Pashin. This very ship was showing up on Marine Traffic ( the tracking site) off Cork. So, the question is, where is she now?

    Well, if you search for Akademik Pashin on Marine Traffic, it shows her off the Coast of Cyprus. Now, how do we know that Navy ships are with her? Well, it so happens that Forces.net wrote an article 7 days ago, and I quote:

    "Russia has signed an agreement with Cyprus to give its ships access to the Mediterranean country's ports. The deal comes as tensions continue between Russia and Western countries over the Ukrainian conflict. Meanwhile, in an exclusive interview with Forces TV, the Cypriot foreign minister says the agreement is nothing new. Ioannis Kasoulides said it goes back to 1996 and denied reports that Russia wants to establish its own military base on the island."

    Bingo, so there you have it. This demonstrates how OSINT is so important in this conflict. And, here is the screenshot to back up my observation:


    Screenshot_20220928-134311_Chrome.jpg




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Which logic would that be?

    If the US did it then keeping it quiet would be next to impossible, someone in the chain would leak the details of who ordered it at some point, and the risks to losing Europe as allies against Russia are massive.

    For the sake of selling more fuel to Europe, it would require Russian levels of stupidity for the US to carry out such an attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    +1. Look, TBH, I wouldn't put anything past the US of A, if it served their interests. Let's face it, like any nation who could really and lord knows the US have done some bloody nasty stuff in the past in the service of their own interests. Political assassinations, interference in sovereign state's internal politics, aiding juntas and autocrats to quash opposition(QV much of central and south America), even backing drug lords that were poisoning their own inner city people, all the way up to inventing bullshít to invade sovereign states, mostly displacing or killing Brown people in countries most Americans couldn't point to on a map(they mostly use soft power with palefaces as hard power wouldn't track with voters, unless they're Russian).

    However and it's a bloody big however, the US pulling some sort of half arsed "false flag" like this, that would get out sooner or later makes pretty much zero sense. If it turned out the US did blow up the pipelines, Russia could quite logically, rightfully and believably point at them and go "look the pricks are only out for themselves, whatever about Russia and Ukraine, they care nada about their NATO allies or the EU, so what use is your NATO and EU support now?". The cat would be out of the bag. Game over. Their NATO allies would utter a collective WTF??, the EU would be extremely unhappy, Germany in particular and support for Ukraine of the level it's at would be revisited at best.

    Thing is, it makes no obvious sense for Russia either. OK it sends the message we can hit European infrastructure and sow confusion, but at the same time puts the kibosh on ever re-opening those pipelines in the future. Near future anyway. The only explanation that strikes me as plausible is that it was a way for putin to do a scorched earth on gas to the EU. He knows Russia's on the back foot, we won't be going back to them for gas anytime soon, and it sends a message to any potential doves in his circle or the Duma that "you can't give up and turn the taps back on and there's no going back now". Either way it's a very strong escalation.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    But are they really "withering them to the bone" ? And will it ultimately work?

    It seems money still talks, and there are some clever workarounds to some of the sanctions. I don't think the picture is very clear yet, just how these sanctions will pan out.

    Here's another interesting video of a Russian mall with big brands that were apparently supposed to have left Russia.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    This war will not continue forever .... blowing up something that will generate future income is not logical..... Both NS1 and NS2 were not operating anyway. No tactical or other gain would be met with Russia blowing this up. Could they have done it ? ofcourse.

    You assume the US cannot not keep this kind of operation quiet... I see no reason why not.

    There is no logic anyway in blowing up the two pipes but I do see more advantages from a US perspective then Russian.

    But logic went out of the window when that idiot tried to take Ukraine the way he did in the first place, so who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    How are they complying with the EUs Fifth Package of Sanctions which prohibits Russian ships from docking (there is no exemption for previously made agreements), unless they are only being allowed dock in areas not under effective control of the Government of the Republic as EU law and sanctions does not apply in such areas of Cyprus?



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Thanks Wibbs, better worded then I could .. The whole things is quite baffling indeed and an escalation. However I found it an escalation already when the Russians cut the gas supply with some ridiculous reasoning, when everyone knew this was used as blackmail



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How the fcuk should anyone know if they dont speak Russian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Thinkingaboutit


    The very negative Russian reaction to partial mobilisation (mass exodus by air and border crossings and protests, with those in the Russian Far East, oft led by women whose husbands die in this war, the most effective) does hold out some hope of an end to this horrifying war. Putin has run of out slaves for his horde. Gas brinkmanship and meddling is only making Europe freeze in Margaret Simonyan's (editor in chief of RT) mind. These probable acts of terrorism against the pipeline seem an escalation in a new direction, and if Russian involvement is verified, it won't matter for Russia's reputation is in the toilet anyhow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck etc., it's a duck. And Russia is by far the most likely saboteur of the pipeline infrastructure, even if it's looks to be a bit mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    OSLO, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Norway's Petroleum Safety Authority (PSA) on Monday urged oil companies to be more vigilant over unidentified drones seen flying near Norwegian offshore oil and gas platforms, warning they could pose a risk of accidents or deliberate attacks...Newspaper Stavanger Aftenblad reported last week that unidentified drones had been observed at least at six Equinor installations, including at its giant oilfield Johan Sverdrup.

    Last Tuesday, a drone was observed some 50 meters away from Equinor's Heidrun platform in the North Sea, breaching the 500-metre security perimeter, the newspaper reported.

    "There have been observations of drones at some of our installations on the Norwegian continental shelf," a spokesperson for Equinor told Reuters, declining to elaborate...

    Drones have been also observed near Kristin, Gullfaks C, Snorre A and Gina Krog installations, Aftenbladet reported.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/norway-oil-safety-regulator-warns-threats-unidentified-drones-2022-09-26/

    Well isn't that interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Its NS2 he is talking about ... did they do a buy one get one free thing ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    And thanks to that, otherwise there would be a referendum tomorrow where you live to vote for joining ruSSland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Think , American tapped Russian undersea Cables for a 25 years period and the Russians knew nothing until someone let it slip two + decades in

    They have the means and know-how to do it ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I think it was a general threat we will end it , regardless wether it be one or two.



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