Gate keeper I'll add that to my diplomatic passport
Story is clearly made-up.
Putin has made a threat and it's being taken very seriously by some very serious people. It's a valid element of this conflict and so it's valid to include it in the discussion. Stop with the self appointed gatekeeping.
After thought / addendum / post script / elaboration
All unheard of concepts, bizarre indeed 🙂
No, you mistakingly think you agree with me - there is no difficulty establishing that Putin is "off the charts" wrong.
People will believe anything if it confirms their prejudices.
A few people here were also very quick to label the awful school shooting a few days ago a false flag attack that would be used to escalate the war in Ukraine....silence about the topic since
I'm sure she will be along to tell us how to recognise them. Is it like a game where veterans have stars above their heads and new troops a bar ?
bah damn you parody.
Why would you nuke something you want. And the wind tends to blow the wrong way.
@greenpilot thanks for that post. I was wondering why there were so many large aircraft in the skies going round and round the same area
Any ship tracking websites that you’d recommend (and also how to use their filters)?
Ah lads. Look at the name of the twitter account that reported the Amnesty story.
it's a parody.
Maybe Amnesty would like to tell the Russians to stop shooting too?
The problem is she did not say it. The Tweet is clearly satirical. This is the unfortunate nature of reading anything on the web, what is real, what it satire and what is a lie.
Amnesty have done themselves no favours by the report they released a month ago, it was clearly wrong and as a result they have made themselves a legitimate target for satire, unfortunately some cannot distinguish satire from reality.
is that Amnesty quote real 🤬 what about all the Ukrainians who had to leave their day jobs to go to the front line
I agree with you 100% it's a hard one to figure out.
Why didn't I think of that?
Gosh, how foolish do I feel now?
😏
Yes, because logically the US would want fuel prices to shoot up
Much logic.
If they kill you you can shoot back.
So when, in her opinion, do they become 'legitimate' targets? How do Ukrainian forces on the ground determine when a potential target has passed that point?
She's an idiot.
Weird. You reply to yourself like it was someone else wrote the original post
As if they are not going to shoot back-
If you apply logic to the pipeline sabotage the US would have more to gain from sabotaging this then Russia would.
I'm not seeing it as that,
8 years of occupation and tens of thousands slaughtered Russian soldiers for what, losing what they actually tried to steal 8 years ago,
He wants to hold it because if they lose Donetsk, Crimea will be next
Is it my imagination or do I see a softening in their rhetoric? One minute they are screaming about nukes and the next they are criticizing the Russian system.
Like a fart in a bath. Lots of low-end and mid tones, with the treble wound right back.
;)
Just sayin' - the two sides are seldom equal . . .
A baseless assumption.
NATO has made it well known in the last few days, through retired senior commanders and officials like Dannat, Breedlove and Clark, a number of specific conventional reprisals that would swiftly follow any employment of a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, including the destruction of the Kerch bridge crossing and the sinking of the Black Sea Fleet all in one go, all 50 odd ships and submarines. Russia knows it is quite capable of that and of ending about 10,000 servicemen's lives in the process.
If then, it fell to Russia to escalate, I can only suppose that the sort of Military that has overseen the shambolic campaign in Ukraine, must be very worried at the highest level about the condition of its ICBMs in their bunkers and SSBNs and the liklihood of them detonating in situ or failing altogether.
If anything, it seems to be a bit of floater... Give us Donetsk and you get to keep the rest.
Absolutely. Fisk another example. Did some great work early on then ended up as an apologist for Al Qaeda and Assad. If he hadn't died a couple years ago I'm absolutely certain he'd blame NATO and Ukraine for this war.
As you say, it's a process of radicalisation
How many people are going to keep coming on and telling us ohhhhh they have tactical nukes,and they are going to use them in Ukraine.....
90% of the posters couldn't tell us what a tactical nuclear weapon was 7 months ago now every day it's nuclear this and nuclear that .....
Don't know what's worse tactical nukes or tweedle Dee and tweedle dum bots
Some useful hints and tips for keeping tabs on the aviation and Open Source Intelligence aspects of this war
There seems to be quite a few new arrivals to this thread, and indeed to the realisation that a war is occurring, so I thought I'd put together a list of tips that will hopefully help you to fully understand what's going on, using aviation as a guide.
Firstly: please read back through the pages of this thread. Many of the regular nerds, like myself, have posted some excellent, fact-based posts explaining various aspects of the conflict and I'm sure any questions you may have may be found among those pages. On that note, here is a list of resources to keep you up to date;
1. Tracking Aircraft.
One can learn a lot about a conflict by Tracking Aircraft. Aircraft movements usually correspond with the commencement of certain operations, can give away the position of Naval assets, give indications of a nations next moves or give an indication of where flights of combat Aircraft may be operating with their transponders off, thus invisible to Tracking software. There are two main resources. FlightRadar24 or ADS-B Exchange. Both work using the following principles. Most Aircraft have a Transponder. This device broadcasts an aircraft's position, speed, altitude, type and direction of travel. This information is recieved by ATC controllers all over the world and overlayed on a "Radar Screen". Anyone with the relevant software can access this information and this is what both resources do. However, ADS-B Exchange is slightly better. Click the link below, then press " Live Radar Map". Then when the map opens, click "U" on the top to filter or isolate mitary Aircraft only.
https://www.adsbexchange.com/
One point to note. Transponders can be switched off, and if a nation does not have a primary Radar, then ATC cannot see the Aircraft. You need a Primary Radar for that. ( The traditional screen, with the sweeping beam that gathers echos from moving Aircraft from which a vector, speed and position can be established). Unbelievably, Ireland does not have a primary Radar. We rely on the RAF for that. If Russia is operating Aircraft off our coasts, the British can track them, but we cannot as they usually and recklessly operate with transponders off.
2. Clues for Tracking fighter jets.
You will see many Aircraft of the type KC-135 operating near and around Ukraine. These are Air-to-air refuelling Aircraft based on the old Boeing 707 airframe. ( The tailfin of one is sticking up out of the ground as you approach Dublin airport)
You will notice that they fly a continuous "racetrack" pattern around a fixed point on the ground. This indicates that there may be a flight of fighter aircraft in the area. The jets, which have their transponders off, periodically meet up with the KC-135's to top off with Fuel. They use a flyable boom to link into a receptacle on the jets to transfer fuel.
Some fighter jets, such as Raphael, Eurofighters, Tornados, use a refuelling probe to refuel. Their positions are indicated by the presence of German or British Airbus A310 Aircraft that use a trailing pipe with a basket on the end that catches the probe of a fighter jet.
Watch out for the flights of both of these Aircraft.
3. Indication of Naval assets.
Every now and then, you will see either a helicopter, normally a Seahawk, or a prop aircraft, normally a C2 Greyhound, magically appear over the ocean either in the Baltic Sea or the Mediterranean. The helicopter has switched on its transponder and gives a rough indication of the Amphibious Task Force currently snooping around Kaliningrad. The chopper is based on one of the Naval ships. The same goes for the C2. This Aircraft gives away the position of the US Navy 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean. This Aircraft is carrier-based and is used to transport personnel and cargo from ship to shore.
4. Intelligence Gathering Aircraft.
You will notice many, many Aircraft flying long, circular and repetitive routes in and around certain areas, such as South of Odessa, South of Crimea and around Kaliningrad. There are too many types to go into detail, but all of them are gathering vital information ( digital, photograph, physical, communications etc) and transferring this information by secure Data Link to Ukranian commanders. Keep an eye on these. They normally indicate the next area of importance for Ukranian Offensive operations.
I could go on and on here, but if you have any questions, let me know.
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