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The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Don't feel too bad, we've all been there.

    Interesting that the Texans are such easy competition when Lance arguably performed the best performance against them among the rookie QBs they faced, despite Lance being by far the least experienced.

    Lance - 249 yards & 31 rushing, 2 TD, 1 INT

    Wilson - 145 yards & 3 rushing (1TD), 0 TD, 1 INT

    Jones - 231 yards & 1 rushing, 1 TD, 1 INT

    Admittedly, Jones did have a completion rate of 76% vs Lance's 70% but that can be easily explained by Lance trying to push the ball down the field a lot more aggressively - average air yards of 10.6 vs 6.9.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,593 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    What QB is this and should he have been benched during year one, or year two?

    Year one:

    Comp 52.8% 10 TD 12 INT

    Year 2:

    Comp 58.8 % 20 TD 9 INT

    Year 3:

    Comp 69.2% 37 TD 10 INT

    Year 4:

    Comp 63.3% 36 TD 15 INT



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know who that was but what sort of offensive line did he have, what were the receivers like?

    Did he have players like Deebo and George Kittle, a left tackle with multiple probowls like Trent Williams?

    How far are you going back? Is this from before the league became a pass happy league where there wasn't much protection for the QB, like roughing the passer, where the completion percentage was much lower?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,593 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    The QB is Josh Allen and the point is that Buffalo stuck with him through some tough outings and are now reaping the benefits. I don't see any scenario where SF are cutting bait on Lance without giving him at least one full season as starter. The running game and the defense will mean that he doesn't need to be brilliant, just needs to be good enough.

    I'm of the opinion they should have switched to him during last season to accelerate his development. Now it will likely be later on in the year before he is fully up to speed. I'd expect to see significant improvement over the course of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Can't remember his full team but that was the team Tyrod Taylor brought to the play offs so it couldn't be that terrible. Though they did try and sit Allen his first year it was just hard to justify starting Nathan Peterman for that many games (having tried to replace Taylor with Peterman the year before).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. As I said above he is slow to check down which isn't a good thing. Defenses will see this and double cover his first option to give them enough time to get to him. I'm not sure how accurate he is either. We'll see as the season goes on.

    If he takes too long to get rid of the ball he might be out injured or lose his spot.

    Btw, with Allen they had nobody behind him. In his first season he was on a crap team and was competing with Nate Peterman, the guy who had a 0.0 QB rating in one game and started the season as no.1 ahead of him. In his second season he had Matt Barkley as his backup. Hardly stellar competition.

    Lance's backup is a guy with a 31-15 win loss record and a lifetime completion percentage of 67.7 through 47 starts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Allen who is the player that Kyle said he hoped would come out in 2017 when they had the 2nd pick and who maps incredibly closely with Lance when it comes to background (small school, weak opposition) and traits (big, mobile, tough in the pocket, aggressive, cannon arm, initially not accurate).

    Kyle doesn't want a player who is going to be quick to check down - anyone that watches the 49ers regularly could see him losing his mind on the sidelines when Jimmy would check it down and there was a more aggressive throw to be made, especially on 3rd down. Kyle wants to run the hell out of the opposition and then for his QB to be brave and make the aggressive downfield throws when they are there.

    I was on the same page as you regarding switching to Lance during last season but can't complain about getting to the NFC Championship. Love Jimmy as a pro but anyone that points to the 49ers win rate and tying it to him is just saying they don't watch 49ers games. I can count on about one hand the amount of games that I could point to and say the team 'won because of Jimmy', most games it was 'won with Jimmy', and many were 'won in spite Jimmy'. Lance will have his ups and downs this season but the bar of QB play he has to meet for the same sort of results isn't that high.

    Lance is younger than every QB except for one in the draft that just happened and is currently the age when some of his peers were only starting their first season with their college as QB1. 49ers know he is raw and everything points to them giving him time now to grow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    First two Sky games on Sunday week released (I know some of you game pass or stream so it doesn't really matter, but I tend to limit myself to the Sky games)

    6pm its Patriots at Dolphins. Probably the best of an uninspiring early set of games.

    9.25 its Packers at Vikings. Can't say I like this choice - only 4 games in this slot and both Chiefs at Cardinals & Raiders at Chargers look better picks.

    New England Patriots @ Miami Dolphins: NFL Week One game picks live on Sky Sports | NFL News | Sky Sports



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Have to agree on that. I think Raiders at Chargers could be a great game. Chiefs at Cards is interesting too given both don't have their no.1 receiver from last season with Hill gone and Hopkins suspended for six games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,467 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I'd imagine its linked to the Packers playing in London in a few weeks. Not the worst idea ever to give the casual UK fans going to the game a chance to watch the team easily on TV beforehand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Late games for most of the season should be the AFC west.


    BTW, do sky have any contractual obligations when it comes to showing teams, does every team have to be featured once or twice or anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    32 teams and only a 17 game season. I think it'd be very hard to get around to showing every team. Seems more like they pick teams in contention as the season goes on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    As EE says Sky only have 36 games (18 weeks by 2 a week) where they get to choose so I doubt there's a min quota as it would be too difficult, and would probably be obvious (in much the same way it's an obvious q filler when Sky pick Brighton v Wolves)

    I don't recall seeing Houston or Detroit for example in the 6 or 9 Sunday slot last year, but open to being wrong.

    Every team gets shown naturally as part of TNF at least once anyway, and usually at least one more via SNF/MNF, Thanksgiving, London etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Detroit are a Thanksgiving day game every year.

    Yeah can't imagine there was much demand for a Houston game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,798 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Afaik Sky choose what game they want to show on the Mon/Tue before each gameweek.

    I'm basing this off whenever I used to look up the schedule last season to see what games would be geoblocked, I wasn't able to find out until about Mon/Tue. It used to say "Live NFL" or something along those lines until then. They generally always picked the games that likely would have the biggest TV audience (naturally enough).

    I stand to be corrected on all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,737 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So Lamar Jackson is not for moving on what is a big deal but not fully guaranteed which seems to be his main sticking point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Good on him. A lot of money to leave on the table and it must have been tempting to just sign it and move on but he knows that the price is only going to go up if he has a good season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Brett Favre in a bit of hot water. He's a defendant in a civil suit brought by the State of Mississippi over the alleged misappropriation of welfare funds to build a volleyball arena in his Alma mater Southern Miss.

    There's a number of people involved in this, some who have been criminally charged and some who've already pleaded guilty. We are talking other sports stars, the Governor of Mississippi and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Are Osi and Jason Bell just doing one show a week this season? Used to like their Tuesday night show on BBC, seems to be just a Saturday night thing now that it's moved to ITV/Virgin. Bad time for highlight show to air, far too late after the games happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    The day is finally here. Who is ready for a Mitch Trubisky vs Jacoby Brissett Thursday Night Primetime Shootout? Over / under 38 points. I take it we are all staying up?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    TNF is often like this, because of the rule that every team must be shown once and once only (excluding the opening game & Thanksgiving).

    There are some other doozies on the way - pick your fav. Commanders Bears maybe. Or Jets Jags the Thursday before Christmas.

    Thursday Night Football schedule for 2022 NFL season - College Football HQ (si.com)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Brisett o/u 182.5 passing

    Trubisky o/u 200

    Gross



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,263 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    In fairness Steelers and Browns is always going to be a bit chippy so it will have a nice edge to it anyway. And as a Bears fan who really wants Trubisky to succeed, I'll be watching and hoping he shows he can get it done when he's not being coached by an incompetent fool whose main skill is passing the blame onto others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭The_Honeybadger


    Im a Steelers fan and was being a little sarcastic but tonight’s matchup is definitely not going to whet the appetite of the casual fan. It will probably be a bit of a grind it out win for whoever comes out on top.

    Trubisky has been poor so far, he hasn’t been making horrible mistakes but he hasn’t been making any plays either. He has some good receivers who do get open but he either doesn’t see them or he just keeps checking it down as he is afraid to make a mistake. Somebody posted his passing chart on Twitter after the recent Pats game and it was an absolute joke, albeit I am sure some of it is down to the playbook.

    I don’t think he will be the starter after the bye unless something changes for the better.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no exclusions, those playing thanksgiving also only play once (its why TNF ends before the end of the season).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    They've tweaked that. Patriots play Vikings in late game on Thanksgiving this year, and also play Bills the following Thursday. Though it definitely used to be the way you suggest.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Oh, apologies I hadn't realised. Bit bizarre, though I suppose at least having two in a row doesn't leave them with two short weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I just read that the Steelers are 0-5 without TJ Watt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,263 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    I was about to turn it on and remembered tnf is only on Amazon prime. I actually have prime but haha no thanks, no way I'm supporting that move.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Did he always have the happy feet running out of the pocket? The pass protection seems to have been fine but Trubisky has no interest in it. It nearly feels like a lot of basics are missing from his game.


    In his defense or possibly another knock is that they seem to be running a massively basic play book.



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