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DF Commission Report

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its mad how people in that town where attached to the barracks. I do have to go there for work now and again and all i here is they stole our barracks. They even have signs up aproaching the town saying its the home of the 9th FAR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If the Defence forces plan on staying in Casement between the air corps if expanded will need more Hangers and possable Runway Extensions, the new Medical Center and a possabile Army Detachment when CB is taken by the LDA. Should the DOD be looking at buying the remaining land around the base before Commercial interests buy it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The DOD should get moving because the land to the west will have a Data Center on it very quickly.

    They could also take land to the south west if they expaned the main runway but a new road network woukd have to be built to allow for this.

    The only good thing about the current buildings around casement is that they are commercial so they wont have noise complaints compare to if it was new resi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The most lucrative move the DoD could do with Baldonnell, is sell it.

    Move the entire Air Corps primary base to Shannon and maintain a DF hangar at Dublin, or Weston.

    Even building a new bespoke Air Base in the Dublin region would be cheaper than holding onto Casement at current land prices, especially for a site that will only become more and more restricted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I dont think they will be moving now with the new medical center being built, but anything is possabile



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    You ill see every airport in the west from cork to Donegal begging for the air corps and every TD in between shouting for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I think that Gormanstown should be upgraded as an Air Force and Naval base combined with a smaller Army unit there. Maybe ARW?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭source


    Forget Gormanston, the runway isn't even 1km long and there's a train line at 1 end and a main road at the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    We could deploy the Naval Vessels like the Clogherhead Lifeboat jonny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭sparky42




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Is the shiny new small arms firing range at Baldonnell a recent development?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Grassy Knoll


    while not directly Defence commission related, good to see the new accommodation block opened in Haulbowline y/day with 2 more of the quayside buildings to be refurbished. While not significant in them selves hopefully this signals a sustained commitment to the upgrade of facilities. The sense of the place having being allowed go to wrack and ruin prevails, even extends to broken down to the jetty which was unusable … I know historic sites involve greater upkeep and cost but that is a price that the Government needs to meet on the basis of the current structures and probably needs to be explicitly accounted for in the Defence CapmEx budget. Anyways the expenditure involved on these specific projects is minor in relative and absolute terms.

    IMHO there is a cause and effect where the signal that a poor work environment sends feeds thru to recruitment and retention. While I think there is a major and probably ultimately not feasible effort to boost DF numbers in the coming years, a half decent built environment is part of an overall package which includes pay ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Indeed. Having a decent place of work dramatically improves peoples morale and self esteem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When will we the smaller elements of the commission report happening such as the air corps and naval service name change and the Army HQ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't think they are that small.

    On the contrary, the High Level Implementation report from July last, suggests they need detailed examination by the Attorney General and likely require a comprehensive new Defence Act.

    In the hierarchy of acceptance ratings by Government, all of them and also the appointment of a Chief of Defence, have the lowest priority, labled 'Revert', ie following further Government deliberation.

    The Minister himself has, remarkably, inserted his own footnotes in that report stating that he personally wishes to progress some of these elements asap, but it must be a wider Government decision to do so.

    The HLIR is a very informative document, well worth a read.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    They have to find the budget to change all the stationary letterheads. They can call the components whatever they want, but without warplanes or warships, I would view it as something of a sop with little practical effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Agree. As presently constituted equipment wise the "Navy" is essentially a fisheries protection service, while the "Air Force" has no clout whatsoever. Investment is badly needed to bring these up to scratch before a name change has any meaning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If they are trying to bring a more balanced partnership to the defence forces between the services it’s a wonder they didn’t go a long the Belgian route and re name all the services such as the Belgians with there Services names.

    if Athlone becomes Army HQ. what does that mean for Custume will it be expanded with more troops or does simply just get a few more Admin staff and a General?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I Suppose the army from there point of view are protecting themselves as if there is less Cols that means less promotions.

    i take it by your post Custume I’d not favoured by the lads sitting in McKee



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Why would it be, the long serving Officers and Men are well settled in Dublin.

    Where did this talk of Custume becoming Army HQ come from anyway, surely Dublin makes most sense, or at the very least The Curragh and the flexibility it offers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    This is the most salient point you've ever made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I couldn't have put it better myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If you are to go by the Leonardo website the Air Corps Operate AW139Ms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    We do not.

    The M version is rigged for weapons payloads and strengthened for combat service.

    We operate the bog standard AW-139 MLH civvy that might serve an oil rig or as an executive transport or air ambulance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Leonardo even have a picture of a 105 getting a lift by the air corps for the brouchere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    The 139s as is are perfect for internal security work. But if they ever did deploy overseas they could buy a few proper military spec for the over seas missions and use the standard ones for the donkey work at home



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭roadmaster




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's not unusual, see the UH-72 Lakota which is an EC-145. The rule is that it has to be built locally, so in this case, Boeing got the license.



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