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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Yeah it is if they are not corrupt they are incompetent.

    Have they made any moves to even change the grading system in the company or this just something they say they are looking at.

    Here is a company who was give the opportunity to divulge itself of the NSO (worth a saving of 7m) in 2021, only this company with their existential crisis was only able to move the company over in 2022, after 4 years of negotiations with the NCH!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,918 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It's time this contractor nonsense was done away with.

    For all intents and purposes, Claire Byrne, Ryan Tubridy, Joe Duffy etc al, are rte employees. Its time they were offered a proper contract with rte, and stop this tax evading , private business supplying a lifetime presenter to rte.

    And give them the same 25 days holidays the rest of us get, instead of them being able to doss off their job anytime the mood takes them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    NIMAN your doing well with 25 days :)

    I sadly counted up the number days hols for both Byrne and Tubs

    Tubs had 39 last year

    Byrne had 42

    Byrne takes most of them during August but is only up to 25days so she'll be on and of the air much more between now and Xmas.

    Both are basically taking a week off every month.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Guy on Gript praising France for abolishing TV licence and asking why can't we do the same

    The state now proposes to fund public service broadcasting through VAT.

    Not sure he grasps that this would be in effect a universal no-opt-out licence with 100% compliance.

    the trend has been for countries that did force its citizens on pain of fines and imprisonment to have a TV licence to scrap it. Since 2000, that has included Belgium, Cyprus, Finland, Hungary, Iceland, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Romania and Sweden.

    I wonder how many of these have also moved to direct exchequer funding...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I have no problem with the license fee in what ever form it comes in, however RTÉ needs route and branch reforms before such changes should be made.

    I believe if government were to change the way in which the licence fee is collected and RTÉ were to get more money. Tubs would be on 80days holiday and have his salary doubled. (But if that's what it takes to see/hear less of him...)


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,551 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gript ain't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well seemingly this guy apparently "published a number of books including histories of the republican movement and of the Communist Party of Ireland" so there should be a few brain cells rattling round there.

    But this actually illustrates the point I've been making that if you replaced the licence with direct exchequer funding, people, even seemingly politically aware people, would stop noticing or caring that the money for RTE was still ultimately coming out of their pockets. Just as nobody seemingly pays any mind to TG4's funding arrangements. So I think it would make a lot of sense for the political establishment and don't really understand why it was rejected out of hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,551 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The same braindead morons with too much time on their hands who objected to water charges would be out raving about the "telly tax"

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In fairness the government would be giving us 200 toward water charges had they gone ahead!

    My issue with the Telly Tax or changes to it is simple... RTÉ need reform they need structural changes and the need to start providing a proper service before any changes to the Telly Tax should be made.


    A staff of 1,500 should not all be OOO in August.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    We have folks setting up tents in Kerry, atm, protesting against a Gas Terminal. I respect people's right to protest, but the everyday man and woman doesn't have time to be sleeping in a tent protesting against anything. They've got bills to pay, and jobs to do.

    When you start camping in an area, and making a nuisance of yourself, you're engaging in self-defeating behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,551 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Absolutely RTE needs reform and I've said so myself on this thread.

    Could be that the real objection to such a charge though would be inability to evade - it wasn't the people who had been paying local authority service charges (not directly linked to bin collection) who went out protesting when it was changed to bin collection charges...

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    So I think it would make a lot of sense for the political establishment and don't really understand why it was rejected out of hand.

    Funding via direct exchequer funding was never going to be a runner for the exact reason they stated it was shot down - (I paraphrase): 'Because of actual or perceived bias towards the govt of the day'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,905 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But hang on hasn't funding for the water supply reverted to general taxation, and isn't that what the hard left want. And isn't this effectively what the Future of Media commission was recommending for the funding of RTE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think that any discussion of the change to the Licence fee (of which there is none) avoids criticizing serious problems at RTÉ.

    RTÉ management's historical dealings with their unions and their decisions over decade not to make contractors staff. Their inability to update staff grading (IMO ultimately avoiding this task).

    Dee and Moya want to do what RTÉ always do; blame public funding, blame their critics for not understanding how well, under pressure, that they produce this that and the other, the audience for moving away from them because lack of understanding on how TV and content works and then their own "talent" because Ireland is a small country with few people willing to go on TV. It seems to me RTÉ's problems are not RTÉ's problems but everyone else problem and we should be grateful for such a hard working executive and board who were unable to instigate any of their 2024 strategy and when given the change to save €8m the choose to wait until 2022 to move the NSO to the NCH!

    Anyway it August and really like most of those in RTÉ I am OOO!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,551 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There is any number of gobshytes willing to do anything to appear on TV, sit in a bath of beans or snog a pensioner (The Word), be imprisoned in a house for weeks (Big Brother) or even appear naked in that Channel 4 thing. 99.999% of them have no talent whatsoever though. Most of the current RTE/VM crop have no talent either but they talk a great game and/or are related to the right people.

    Edit:typo

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    We have a start date for .... the toy show! ffs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Toy show mentioned again today by the toy man...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭jo187


    I got rid of of Netflix & Disney + as wasn't watching them. So it's hard to justify the 120 or whatever it is for the licence fee when RTE don't make anything I watch and I don't listen to the radio.

    I rather RTE exist then not have it as I know a lot of the programs appeal to my mother's generation but surely RTE must be capable of making something someone under 40 would like to watch?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    160

    Trust me even for the under 60s and potentially the under 70s!

    My parents are not watch RTÉ as much anymore, I say they are watching UKTV, Discovery channels (GOLD, Yesterday, Quest, Quest RED etc), TG4 and my Dad likes action movies so Great TV!, they watch RTÉ for the NEWS and Dad for live sport, that is about it. Mam still watches TLLS but Dad he's not a fan, heads to the GAA club. They are both in the late 70s.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,401 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Make sure they are not still paying the TV licence, lots of people unaware of the free licence with household benefits package for over 70's, it's not means tested...

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/extra_social_welfare_benefits/household_benefits_package.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The difference is that Netflix and Disney are not public-service broadcasters (PSBs). PSBs have to cater for minority groups (e.g Irish speakers) as well as the majority - and I can't imagine Virgin Media providing many Irish-language programmes, to be honest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    they are not :)


    @political analyst they don't but RTÉ do very little to even cater for minorities or majorities. Children's and Yuff programming is a good example of where RTÉ have cut, Drama and Comedy are also not being catered for from RTÉ, Irish Language while they must provide RnaG and content to TG4 outside of this they tend to do as little as possible.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Whaaaaat?... you mean to tell me you don't like to relax after a hard days work with "dying with dignity" or "mater hospital live" or "countdown to the top terrible diseases of the world" , what will make it to number one this year? Or "covid latest" to ensure a pleasant nights sleep?? 🤔

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I don't watch young people's programmes. As for Gaeilge on RTÉ One, there has been Scannal, Cad Faoi Na Tuismitheoirí etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    That's not the point weather you watch or not. RTÉ have cut back and yes I know what Irish language programming they have produced and broadcast.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    You misunderstood me. The reason I said I don't watch young people's programmes was to imply that I didn't know enough about that type of programming on RTÉ to comment on it - I assumed that you'd be able to 'read between the lines'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,000 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    You forgot pulling with my parents, sure isnt that what all 20yo's would like to do/watch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Celebrity Pulling with My Parents was missing both celebrities and parents. The advert alone made me say 'nope-no thanks'. Only episode I watched was via the Irish Gogglebox, which isn't as fun as the British one. But Jesus, it was bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You have read that in 2016 that they were moving it out of RTÉ, but that they were not cutting funding to Children's content right?

    You then found out that they'd already cut it by 25% in 2016 from 2015, and that in 2017 the cut it by 50%.

    And that funding in total remains around 5m but that the independent productions unit spent 4.2m on children's content or as RTÉ like to say just 1% of their total costs!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Did the moving of it out of RTÉ actually go ahead? Anyway, commissioning of independent producers isn't exactly a radical move.



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