Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

More incompetent journalism from the Daily Mail. No wait, it's the Irish Times. Hard to tell the differerence these days.

"The road closure is to allow the construction of a segregated cycle lane along a 2.7km route from Clontarf to Amiens Street."

“Damien Duggan tried so hard to organise people in the area, but he was forced to close down his store three months ago after being here more than 45 years,” said Edge, citing the lack of parking.

and also, this little gem, reported without a hint of irony:

“This detour will add to the chaos. It’s already so congested people can’t let their children out of their sight for fear they will be knocked down.”

Yes - don't worry about the rest of us who use the road.

Sounds reasonable enough. Not all impacted residents informed, tiny print on the leaflet that those who were told got, bus lane changed to 24x7 without notice.

As I said way back at the start, it's a mess really. Not everyone cycles (or wants/is able to!), and with the housing crisis and costs in Dublin generally, people are commuting from further and further away. Eastpoint for example was hard enough to get to/out of at peak when I was there a decade ago. I somehow doubt it's been improved by this stuff.

The anti-motorist mentality in the Council and indeed this very forum is ridiculous. Cycling has become yet another "crusade"

You have to look at this as part of a bigger infrastructure project though - BusConnects links up with this scheme in Fairview all the way along the Malahide Road to Clare Hall with more bus lanes.

All the minutes saved add up - they might get an extra trip over the course of a day out of a bus for example meaning they they can do more with existing assets.

I used the term “short-term” as relative, given the long term nature of the improvements to the water mains, buses and cyclists. I endured Harcourt Street roadworks for far longer than a year, and no it wasn’t fun, but it was worth it to get the LUAS line operational.

As I say, it’s never easy to implement changes like this, but we have to do it.

People can't be commenting from that far through fairview though, after Howth or Coolock where would they be coming from? Besides, there are options that involve leaving the car outside the city centre even for long distance commutes.

Well the rest of us on busses and on foot are fine too

The middle of summer with no schools off and weather is great. One day is not reflective of any general situation. Let's see how this develops on a regular basis.

I'm not facing a diversion at all becuase I'm using public transport. I'm just worried if my commute is affected. I stated that I wasn't against the development but don't let the facts get in the way of your righteousness.

EDIT:

What I've noticed from those pictures is that there are two inbound lanes through Fairview unlike yesterday where there was only one. This was the concern I raised because it didn't make sense.

No I haven't moved any goalposts. This is a year-long (at minimum) diversion. Therefore judging it on one day in August when traffic levels are generally at their lightest is simply no reflection of what might happen. Maybe it won't get worse but you can't simply post pictures from today and say we're not allow check this ever again.

"Are you deliberately ignoring Donna Cooney's comment that the 6km of upgraded water mains is what is causing the majority of delay and disruption for this project?"

Its not Irish Water notices coming in people's doors . IW didn't pick this up last week and have had as long as they liked to let people know about it.

Why would anyone go near Fairview coming from Laois or any of the other places listed?? Absolutely no reason to go near it.

I don't see how improvements like this can be made without disruption anyway. The amount of moaning from snowflake motorists is just ridiculous.

Did you even read any of my posts? I never "predicted" traffic chaos. I was worried about it on the basis of the lane layout that I saw yesterday. It seems that those were temporary which resolved my initial concern about traffic through Fairview from a public transport point of view. But I stated that given the levels of traffic at this time of year it probably would be too early to know what exactly was going to happen here over the course of the diversion.

And yes I'm fully aware that you can't do major infrastructure change without some disruption. However disruption needs to be managed in the best way possible and it seems that this hasn't been managed well, especially from a communication point of view.