So the balls-up has started since last night which makes Fairview from clontarf to Edges corner a single lane with bollards down the centre.
This will be a permanent feature and works will take 21 months.
It will make that entire section a lot more enjoyable to cycle, so there's that. Rather than have buses and taxis passing you with inches to spare it will make for a far better journey in to town on the bike.
More incompetent journalism from the Daily Mail. No wait, it's the Irish Times. Hard to tell the differerence these days.
"The road closure is to allow the construction of a segregated cycle lane along a 2.7km route from Clontarf to Amiens Street."
“Damien Duggan tried so hard to organise people in the area, but he was forced to close down his store three months ago after being here more than 45 years,” said Edge, citing the lack of parking.
and also, this little gem, reported without a hint of irony:
“This detour will add to the chaos. It’s already so congested people can’t let their children out of their sight for fear they will be knocked down.”
I think someone may have gotten the wrong end of the stick with that bollards. Went through there this morning and the bollards stretch back to around the pedestrian bridge, protecting the bus lane. Vehicles in the normal lane heading right are locked in at that stage, and can't transfer to the bus lane, meaning that they can't use the lane going towards Annesley bridge.
Buses have their own lane the entire way in, and are protected from cars encroaching from the pedestrian bridge onwards. All looks very sensible, to be honest.
Yes - don't worry about the rest of us who use the road.
No major traffic on Ballybough road this morning, but they've changed the lights for turning right from Richmond road. Was waiting ages for a right arrow (Left came and went, leading to some very confused gestures from the cyclists in front of me). Presume it's to give priority to diverted traffic, but will cause a major build up of traffic on Richmond road once schools are back if they're not tweaked.
Edit: Saw a few private cars/vans on North Strand road while I was turning right at 5 lamps, would have thought the Gardaí would be there, fish in a barrel stuff.
Sounds reasonable enough. Not all impacted residents informed, tiny print on the leaflet that those who were told got, bus lane changed to 24x7 without notice.
As I said way back at the start, it's a mess really. Not everyone cycles (or wants/is able to!), and with the housing crisis and costs in Dublin generally, people are commuting from further and further away. Eastpoint for example was hard enough to get to/out of at peak when I was there a decade ago. I somehow doubt it's been improved by this stuff.
The anti-motorist mentality in the Council and indeed this very forum is ridiculous. Cycling has become yet another "crusade"
Are you deliberately ignoring Donna Cooney's comment that the 6km of upgraded water mains is what is causing the majority of delay and disruption for this project?
You have to look at this as part of a bigger infrastructure project though - BusConnects links up with this scheme in Fairview all the way along the Malahide Road to Clare Hall with more bus lanes.
All the minutes saved add up - they might get an extra trip over the course of a day out of a bus for example meaning they they can do more with existing assets.
I used the term “short-term” as relative, given the long term nature of the improvements to the water mains, buses and cyclists. I endured Harcourt Street roadworks for far longer than a year, and no it wasn’t fun, but it was worth it to get the LUAS line operational.
As I say, it’s never easy to implement changes like this, but we have to do it.
Everyone’s ignoring that. Doesnt create as many column inches and irate callers as “we’re prisoners in our homes because of the cyclists”
People can't be commenting from that far through fairview though, after Howth or Coolock where would they be coming from? Besides, there are options that involve leaving the car outside the city centre even for long distance commutes.
Did anybody go through Fairview itself this morning either in private or public transport? My concern as a public transport user was the fact was that yesterday there was only one lane inbound through Fairview rather than further on at the North Strand or Ballybough Road. What was the situation in Fairview itself?
I'll be in the middle of it tomorrow morning so if nobody responds I'll update myself tomorrow.
Well the rest of us on busses and on foot are fine too
Typical. There is no issue despite the prophecies of doom...
You are facing a diversion, that's all. Bloody hell, you'd think you were being deported or something.
Not everyone cycles (or wants/is able to!),
Who exactly is forcing you to cycle along here?
and with the housing crisis and costs in Dublin generally, people are commuting from further and further away. Eastpoint for example was hard enough to get to/out of at peak when I was there a decade ago.
How many people who have been forced to live further and further away will be forced through this diversion to fix some water pipes? Using your example, how many people travelling to Eastpoint would follow that particular route and not use Alfie Byrne? Also bear in mind that parking is and always has been somewhat of a rarity in Eastpoint!
Another photo showing no issues in Fairview...
Because the issues have apparently migrated to surrounding roads.
Also someone whose profile pic includes the words "make way" (for world bicycle day) is hardly objective.
The middle of summer with no schools off and weather is great. One day is not reflective of any general situation. Let's see how this develops on a regular basis.
You'd be surprised. There are people commuting in from as far as Louth and Meath into Dublin every day from that side. Other areas include Laois, Wicklow/Wexford, Carlow and so on.
Dublin commuting is not just with the bounds of the city/county limits. It's like the Tiger years all over again.
I'm not facing a diversion at all becuase I'm using public transport. I'm just worried if my commute is affected. I stated that I wasn't against the development but don't let the facts get in the way of your righteousness.
EDIT:
What I've noticed from those pictures is that there are two inbound lanes through Fairview unlike yesterday where there was only one. This was the concern I raised because it didn't make sense.
Can you post a photo taken today of the issues that have migrated to surrounding roads?
There were predictions of chaos in Fairview today. That didn't happen as per the two photos I've posted. Now you're moving the goalposts to sometime in a month or two?
No I haven't moved any goalposts. This is a year-long (at minimum) diversion. Therefore judging it on one day in August when traffic levels are generally at their lightest is simply no reflection of what might happen. Maybe it won't get worse but you can't simply post pictures from today and say we're not allow check this ever again.
So you're admitting that the predictions of traffic chaos for today were wrong. That's a start.
Now what makes you confident that predictions of chaos will come true at some point in the future? Would you rather that a water infrastructure project is aborted on a "just in case there is a traffic problem' basis?
"Are you deliberately ignoring Donna Cooney's comment that the 6km of upgraded water mains is what is causing the majority of delay and disruption for this project?"
Its not Irish Water notices coming in people's doors . IW didn't pick this up last week and have had as long as they liked to let people know about it.
All of those routes have alternative routes easily accessible without going near Fairview/N. Strand.
Plus for Louth and Meath commuters, you have train services to Eastpoint (including P&R).
Why would anyone go near Fairview coming from Laois or any of the other places listed?? Absolutely no reason to go near it.
I don't see how improvements like this can be made without disruption anyway. The amount of moaning from snowflake motorists is just ridiculous.
The overall project is managed by DCC. This doesn't mean that IW aren't involved.
But the duration and extent of the disruption is because of the water works, not the cycle lane, despite the media’s attempt to stir things up by spinning it that way
theres simply no denying that.
a cycle lane doesn’t take a year to build.
Any proof of the issues in surrounding roads? Which surrounding roads are people even using?
When the works first started, the traffic situation was bad, and then improved. So with these works starting now, people have time to get used to it before the weather worsens and people get back to school. But as most people were wrong about the traffic chaos that was supposed to arrive today, they are probably going to be wrong about the traffic situation that's months away.
Did you even read any of my posts? I never "predicted" traffic chaos. I was worried about it on the basis of the lane layout that I saw yesterday. It seems that those were temporary which resolved my initial concern about traffic through Fairview from a public transport point of view. But I stated that given the levels of traffic at this time of year it probably would be too early to know what exactly was going to happen here over the course of the diversion.
And yes I'm fully aware that you can't do major infrastructure change without some disruption. However disruption needs to be managed in the best way possible and it seems that this hasn't been managed well, especially from a communication point of view.
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