Chennai Olympiad

checknraise · 03-08-2022 12:31pm

I am expecting a big 4-0 win the men. Outside of Mark all of them have a nice advantage.

To be awarded a title in the olympiad you now need to have a minimum rating requirement. 1800 for WCM and 1900 for WFM. Eibhia might be playing the most underrated opponent in the tournament. Just take a look at her game vs Croatia where she destroyed a 2000.

macelligott · 03-08-2022 12:38pm

Murphy now seems to be cruising to victory after 24 moves :-)

macelligott · 03-08-2022 1:09pm

and after 28 moves Murphy is on 5/5

His play has been very powerful in this Olympiad.

Ficheall · 03-08-2022 1:15pm

Has he other GM norms already? (I'm sure that's the type of thing one should be able to look up, but I can't find it..)

corkcitychess · 03-08-2022 1:33pm

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Martin Crichton says:

August 30, 2021 at 3:32 pm

Conor just got a GM norm

https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tournaments/northumbia-masters-2021-gm/9/1/1

In my opinion he is the new favourite now ahead of Kelly, Collins and Lopez due to his age, hunger and talent to become Ireland’s first (non Russian) GM.

RooksPawn · 03-08-2022 2:40pm

The man who predicted a 4-0 win for the Open team was sadly over-optimistic. Conor has won and Tarun looks close to winning at the time control but...

This is the second day in a row Tom has spoiled a good-to-winning position and blundered badly which is definitely not like him, as he's usually so sharp on tactics. he wasn't able to save this one and a narrow 2.5-1.5 win looks the most likely outcome, though maybe Mark can grind down his lower-rated opponent in what started as a dead level endgame.

Conor is certainly well on track for another GM norm and getting his rating up to 2500 will be the main challenge. Sam got his norms but could never make the 2500 required. As for the others mentioned, Brian Kelly retired long ago so will certainly never become a GM and unless Alex Lopez and Sam return to serious chess in the next few years, they won't either. The trend is very much to get titles young, so after Conor the next best prospects are Tom, Tarun and Henry Li and after them we are probably talking kids who are still in primary school. But David Fitzsimons could prove me wrong since he's just got his first GM norm, as discussed elsewhere on this board.

I agree with the post that soon it will be necessary to be over 2400 to be on the Open team and over 2000 for the women's. I doubt if in future the Irish Championship will be won by a player who isn't 2400.

Today our women's team pulled off a 3-1 win which looked unlikely around move 30. Trisha and Eibhia were held to draws while Alice and Lara were both lost according to the engines but held their nerve and outplayed their opponents in the critical time trouble phase. Lara's opponent had a forced mate (a long, not obvious one) but panicked and exchanged queens into a lost ending. Our boards 2 and 3 are on track for WFM titles (Diana on 4 has it already) and WIM norms may not be out of the question.

Soda_Bread · 03-08-2022 2:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119420952#Comment_119420952

Yeah neither of those ones are true lad. Check with your sources and don't be bringing me up during online xenophobic / somewhat racist rants when I've no intention to get involved.

Millwall · 03-08-2022 3:01pm

Unreal from Conor. Of course today was a walk in the park for him considering his recent form! What a man. Unlucky from Tom missing the two mover allowing the knight fork on the rooks, it happens. Lara got out of jail there though in the womens section! Mate in 16 according to the engine for her opponent but she blundered horrifically. We'll take it!! Onwards and upwards. Come on Ireland!

Ficheall · 03-08-2022 4:28pm

No nicely accessible database to scrape that I could find, so this was a lot of irritating clicking, but those who have won all their games so far are:

GM Gukesh D. - India 2 - 6/6

FM Nogerbek Kazybek - Kazakhstan - 6/6

IM Conor E Murphy - Ireland - 5/5

CM Bolanos Fernando - Bolivia - 4/4

FM Yordanov Lachezar - Bulgaria - 4/4

GM Banikas Hristos - Greece - 4/4

GM Postny Evgeny - Israel - 3/3

Tsephe Lebajoa - Lesotho - 3/3

GM Shengelia David - Austria - 2/2

GM Haria Ravi - England - 2/2

FM Fejzullahu Afrim - Kosovo - 1/1

Ahmed Aboobakuru - Maldives - 1/1

Nicholas Arvin - Saint Lucia - 1/1

GM Solak Dragan - Turkey - 1/1

cdeb · 03-08-2022 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119418137#Comment_119418137

Conor isn't home-grown though? His first ICU rating was 2350+ in late 2018. Isn't he American or English? He's only ever played the Irish Championships and the norm tournaments here. Though with a name like that, you have to imagine there's Irish background.

Great performance so far all the same. Is there a direct award title at the Olympiad still?

I'll have a look through the rest of the thread later - if people have a problem with a post, report it (although general functionality, including moderation, seems to have gone to shite with the update; I know there's posts reported before that I haven't seen)

macelligott · 03-08-2022 6:57pm

My understanding is Conor Murphy was born in England and both his parents are Irish. His parents come over when he plays in Ireland.

Millwall · 03-08-2022 7:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425112#Comment_119425112

That's true I believe. He lived in England for a fair bit I believe? Has a strong accent! Lol.

Egypt for the men next game and Italy for the women. Going to be a tough grind. Predictions?

checknraise · 03-08-2022 7:50pm

After 6 rounds have both teams won 4 matches ever before? Loads to be positive about. Tough matches on Friday but I expect there will be at least 1 upset or 2 out 4 points for the teams combined.

sodacat11 · 03-08-2022 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424069#Comment_119424069

Xenophobic /racist??? You obviously don't know the meaning of the words. I am all for Ireland taking in people of all different nationalities and colours as it greatly enhances the gene pool and adds diversity. I am only against people who aren't born in a country or who have no strong family ties to that country representing them in sporting events, hardly an opinion that is going to make me the next Grand marshall of the Ku Klux Klan now is it?

sodacat11 · 03-08-2022 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119424786#Comment_119424786

Was any of the Irish men's team actually born in Ireland?

Millwall · 03-08-2022 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425349#Comment_119425349

I think Tarun was! Lived in India for a substantial amount of time though I believe. Mark was as well, born in Dublin, although I think he father Wolfgang was German, I could be wrong though.

checknraise · 03-08-2022 7:54pm

I think this was Conors first fide rated tournament in Ireland - https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=154080&t=0

I guess he was about 17/18 and has improved a huge amount since then. He would have played a Kilkenny or Bunratty before the norm tournament.

Everyone playing for Ireland is eligible and it shouldn't be a talking point.

Millwall · 03-08-2022 7:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425340#Comment_119425340

Agreed. With Baburin having a well deserved rest, and with tomorrow being another rest day (hangover day from the Bermuda party tonight!)he is more than capable of coming back refreshed and ready to play his usual good chess

sodacat11 · 03-08-2022 8:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425361#Comment_119425361

Yeah I was just asking not disputing their eligibility.

Apparently "citizenship, naturalization or residency in the country of that Federation" is required for the initial registration of a player, but there are no regulations requiring any of those to be maintained to stay registered with that federation. This surprised me, the requirements are even more lax than I'd imagined and could very easily be abused by anyone wishing to do so. In theory a group of Martians could move here for a few years get on the Irish team then go back to Mars and keep representing us at the expense of our homegrown talent.

Joedryan · 03-08-2022 9:34pm

Paco Vallejo has missed the last 2 rounds for Spain, not sure what is going on there, hope he is OK.

RooksPawn · 03-08-2022 10:29pm

Tarun was indeed born in Ireland; his mother told me. I'm not sure about Trisha.

For the benefit of Milwall (many boards readers surely know this already), I will inform him that Wolfgang Heidenfeld was a German citizen at birth and in his youth but due to Nazi persecution of persons of the Jewish faith, he emigrated to South Africa. Then after WW2 he came to Europe again and settled in Ireland, eventually becoming an Irish citizen. Both Mark and his brother were born here but while they were of about primary school age, Wolfgang and his wife decided to retire to Germany. Mark (whom I first met when he was very young) has always maintained a strong connection with his native country.

Millwall · 04-08-2022 12:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425901#Comment_119425901

Wow I didn't know that at all. Very interesting to know. Learn something new everyday. Cheers @RooksPawn!

zeitnot · 04-08-2022 3:06am

My understanding is that Mark, Tarun, and Trisha were indeed born in Ireland (Kilkenny in Trisha's case).

See https://www.irlchess.com/players/ for biographical data and https://www.irlchess.com/players/players-references/ for supporting data.

sodacat11 · 04-08-2022 9:25am

1e4, e5 2Nf3, c6 3Nxe5, c5 4 Qh5, Na6 5 Qxf7Mate was the board one women's game in the Olympiad between Togo and the Seychelles.

I am now considering getting a sex change and emigrating to the Seychelles to represent them in future international team tournaments. After the sex change I plan on being a lesbian 😜

Millwall · 04-08-2022 2:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426790#Comment_119426790

@sodacat11 .. Are you alright?

macelligott · 05-08-2022 6:06am

For the purposes of norms, the minimum rating (adjusted rating floor) for the opponents shall be as follows:

Grandmaster norm

2200

International Master norm 2050

Woman Grandmaster norm 2000

Woman International Master 1850

norm

1.46c No more than one opponent shall have their rating raised to this adjusted rating floor. Where more than one opponent are below the floor, the rating of the lowest rated opponent shall be raised.

Rating average of opponents

1.47a This is the total of the opponents’ ratings divided by the number of opponents taking 1.46 into account.

1.47b Rounding of the rating average is made to the nearest whole number. The fraction 0.5 is rounded upward.

Performance Rating (Rp)

In order to achieve a norm, a player must perform at a level at least of that shown below:

Minimum level prior to rounding

GM 2599.5

IM 2449.5

WGM 2399.5

WIM 2249.5

Minimum level after rounding

2600

2450

2400

2250

rounds

GM

IM

WGM

WIM

Different MO

3 GM

3 IM

3 WGM

3 WIM

*Min. other feds.

2

Rating floor for 1 player

2200 for GM norm

macelligott · 05-08-2022 6:11am

rating requirements for a GM norm after 9 rounds. Minimum average rating is 2380 (after rounding one opponent to 2200).

macelligott · 05-08-2022 6:17am

After rounding one opponent up to 2200

conor’s average opposition is 2425

corkcitychess · 05-08-2022 8:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425112#Comment_119425112

If his dad is Irish and his mum is Irish , Conor is 100% Irish period.

(2 of my children were born in England, 1 was born in the Philippines, all have my surname and all have Irish passports! I have 2 others born in Ireland and both parents are Irish)

I do not envisage any becoming chess players...1 in the family is more than enough :)

sodacat11 · 05-08-2022 9:57am

Neither of my parents were Irish so I find it ironic when some twat calls me xenophobic or racist. When I brought up the whole subject I did not do so specifically in relation to the Irish team but some people seem to miss the point so let me explain in simple terms. Every race/nationality has its own culture and individuality and the whole reason that international sport evolved was to pit these different characteristics against each other. We all know Ethiopians are great runners, Chinese are great table tennis players, Russians shine at chess, Canadians at ice hockey etc etc . One only has to watch a football match between Brazil and Germany to see the differences in personality and style, organisation, determination, flair and so on. My objection to "imports" playing for different countries is twofold, one the one hand it erases the contrasts that I mentioned above and on the other hand it deprives homegrown players the chance to represent their countries . Imagine a team of Chinese table tennis players winning Olympic gold for Ireland, would that mean Irish players are the best at table tennis? Of course it wouldn't, it would only show that the Chinese are the best regardless of where they live. I have some upcoming tournaments to prepare for so I'm going to stop wasting my time trying to change anyone's mind on here, you can all read Milwall's enlightened posts instead.

cdeb · 05-08-2022 10:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431459#Comment_119431459

Yes, but you suggested he was home-grown, which he isn't.

Anyway, can we leave the nationality/eligibility stuff aside now? Today's games are underway; Conor has white v 2470, and while law of averages mean he must have a bad game soon, a win today would surely be a huge step towards a norm.

cdeb · 05-08-2022 10:54am

On the norm actually - I think the details linked by macelligott earlier are slightly out of date; there's a 2022 version at https://www.fide.com/docs/regulations/FIDE%20Title%20Regulations%202022.pdf. I don't think it's changed much though.

Conor now has three GM opponents after today's game - that's one box ticked. 5/6 of his opponents have been FM or higher - another box ticked (has to be 50%, and it definitely will be now)

2425 average opponent (as macelligott says) means a score of 7/9 required - or 2/4 for the rest of the tournament. I think 7½/10 would do it too?

Is that then just one norm of the three required? I thought the Olympiad was different in that a GM norm at the Olympiad gave you the title (provided you had the required rating too)? Or is that in olden days or even just made up?

cdeb · 05-08-2022 1:04pm

Conor just a clear pawn up after 20 moves. Long way to go to convert, but a great position to be in at this stage.

RooksPawn · 05-08-2022 2:08pm

@cdeb There used to be a rule, I believe, that a norm at an olympiad counted as two norms but that seems to be abolished; I do not see it in the current regulations.

The direct title regulations in the Handbook show only how FM/WFM and CM/WCM titles can be achieved in one olympiad performance and that's probably how the lower-rated title-holders from many countries got their awards.

FIDE Handbook B. Permanent Commissions / 01. International Title Regulations (Qualification Commission) / Table for Direct Titles effective from 1 July 2017 /

corkcitychess · 05-08-2022 2:24pm

looks like Conor is going to be on 6/6...GM norm is sight and maybe just maybe a medal on board 2! (if he keeps winning)

RooksPawn · 05-08-2022 2:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433069#Comment_119433069

Conor has won to reach 6/6. The game feed froze about 15 minutes after Black's 30th so I wasn't sure if there was a technical breakdown or had Conor's opponent made an incorrect threefold repetition claim. (If Conor had repeated 31 Bd4 then a draw could be claimed.) Then the board updated to move 41 and relief all round.

Elsewhere, Alex lost and the other two games look roughly equal but a 2-2 natch result isn't certain yet.

The women's match looked like 0-4 after about two hours, but Trisha got a perpetual check after her opponent didn't find the critical attacking line while Alice has won another lost position. Lara is still fighting a pawn down but probably this match will end up 1.5-2.5.

In the top matches of the Open olympiad India-1 have beaten India-3 by 3-1, the USA need Dominguez to win a favourable ending to get a drawn match with Armenia. Wesley So has won for USA but they have two lost positions. (Aronian of course did not play, Shankland is lost on board 4 and Caruana ought to lose to Sargissian.) I doubt many tears will be shed if the Armenians manage to hold on and win the match.

cdeb · 05-08-2022 2:53pm

This is incredible stuff from Conor. Sam's gold medal at the Olympiad is about the only real success we've had at it I think? But that was on board 6. To be on 6/6 on board 2 with a stronger team (a good chance of 4-1-2 after seven games compared to 3-1-3 for example, so higher opponents) is amazing. Up 30 points too, putting him to 2434 live. Does he now sit out tomorrow if he has black? Or if he can get his average opponent up a slight bit, it might be worth it to reduce his requirement from 1/3 to 1/4 - a free hit, effectively.

The tactic that decided So's game was beautiful - giving up rook, queen and knight for mate. Can only dream of that sort of stuff at the Olympiad! Armenia were looking good for a win, but board 3 has sadly gone south for them.

Tom has drawn now, so just Tarun playing in a level position, and Lara in a worse position, with both matches level at 1½-1½.

RooksPawn · 05-08-2022 2:57pm

Gukesh of India-2 won again to reach 7/7 but FM Nogyrbek, the board 4 for Kazakhstan, "only" drew with the GM from Spain so has lost his perfect record and is on 6.5/7.

Conor's 6/6 on board 2 is pretty fantastic and one more win or two draws would bring him very close to the GM norm, depending on the rating of his remaining opponents.

Since my last post, Tom O'Gorman has drawn so the Egypt match is 1.5-1.5 with Tarun still playing at move 46.

cdeb · 05-08-2022 3:04pm

Looks like a dead draw in Tarun's game.

Alice on 4½/6 is guaranteed a WCM title if she sits out one more game. Worst she could do is 4½/9, which is the required 50%. Just don't go to 4½/10! 6/9 would be a WFM title, so another 1½/3 required.

Eibhia on 3½/4 I think also gets a WCM by finishing with 0/3 (7 games minimum for the WCM, 9 for the WFM)

corkcitychess · 05-08-2022 3:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433296#Comment_119433296

https://www.olimpbase.org/teams/irl_i01.html

Brian Kelly gold 1994 or 1998?, Paul Delaney silver 1976 and John Delaney silver 1982 (and IM norm ) but yes...a very long time ago indeed

cdeb · 05-08-2022 3:10pm

Good to have them in the record though! What boards, do you know?

corkcitychess · 05-08-2022 3:14pm

all in the link ...olymp base....

click on the players name

cdeb · 05-08-2022 3:17pm

Missed the link.

John silver in 1984 on board 3. Paul silver in 1976 as second reserve. Brian gold in 1994 as second reserve.

cdeb · 05-08-2022 3:19pm

2-2 draw confirmed in the Open. Good news for Conor as it'll keep his opponent's average rating up.

Lara is losing a rook in the Women's, but 1½-2½ is a great result given how things had looked earlier. (Always dislike the scoring system that means his is effectively the same as 4-0 - bring back game points! 😀 )

RooksPawn · 05-08-2022 3:26pm

In reply to Past_Pawn's question some time ago about Eibhia, the link I posted today shows that the requirement for WCM is 50% in minimum 7 games.

She has 3.5/4 so has enough points already. I expect she will play tomorrow instead of Lara or Diana, but she would need also to play two of the three final rounds which is perhaps unlikely unless the team captain and team-mates make this an objective and agree to ensure she gets the games.

It would probably mean Eibhia would meet (and presumably lose to) at least one much higher-rated opponent but that would be good experience for her anyway. So far only one of her opponents has been higher rated (by about 200 points) and she won.

PS: Lara has lost but 1.5-2.5 v Italy is not a bad result for the women, and the Open team held Egypt to 2-2 after Tarun's game ended in a draw.

That ends my contribution for the next 24 hours or so as I shall be travelling. I look forward to seeing the next round pairings and all your comments.

corkcitychess · 05-08-2022 3:28pm

observation...Conor had 5 whites and 1 black

playing him on board 2 was probably the correct choice as Alex can be dropped or not in the remaining rounds to keep giving Conor whites!?

cdeb · 05-08-2022 4:02pm

Incredible ending in the big game - Armenia had been winning the last board, but somehow got into a completely drawn ending (which would have meant a 2½-1½ win for the US), but then Shankland touched his king expecting a different move from his opponent, realised any king move was now losing, resigned immediately and stormed off. 2-2 the final result - and can only laugh at the US in the (Aronian) circumstances.

Joedryan · 05-08-2022 4:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433643#Comment_119433643

I thought you were required to write the moves down, if he had of done he would have realised what square his opponent moved his Queen to, haha

cdeb · 05-08-2022 4:18pm

That's what they were saying on commentary alright. I think you can be one ply behind when writing moves down, so it wasn't against the rules to respond immediately provided he had written his own previous move down. But it would have helped him spot what had actually been played alright.

zeitnot · 05-08-2022 4:56pm

https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/E012018

"8.1.3 A player may reply to his opponent’s move before recording it, if he so wishes. He must record his previous move before making another."

This came up a few years ago (within the last ten), between two players whom I'll leave nameless, but let's just say they have each won the Irish championship many times. (I think the game was in an Irish championship but am not certain.) A complained to the arbiter that B was playing his own move before recording A's previous move, and was told that this was allowed by the rules.

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