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Neighbours sheep always in my garden??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


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    Should the OP put up a fence to stop farmers animals coming on to road ot between the two houses as animals coming in driveway to access the garden. I expect there is more happening here than we know, like why is the neighbor happy with this.

    OP there has being abit of a chat on this, any comments?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Are you deliberately ignoring that I said that post was tounge in cheek and not serious?


    I outlining other reasonable actions the OP could take, along with the dog examples to show who should be responsible for the issue here.....but you ignored all of these, i.e damage, health (feases), livestock control laws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    If the OP has a dog then they would be responsible for keeping that dog in. If sheep can get in, a dog can get out. In the extremely unlikely scenario where sheep wander into a garden where a regular dog is happily playing around, and the dog attacks them but doesn't leave your property, then technically it would not come under the Control of Dogs Act. But for practical reasons, if you have a dog that kills or injures like that, they will do it again once they have tasted the blood. So if you think you have come up with a "genius" idea, then you might find out it backfires.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


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    No way I'd give the prick the satisfaction, by the time he'd gather and find them all he'd be below at the co op first thing the morning after for stakes and fencing

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The only one that matters is that the owner is be default responsible for their animals. Anything after that comes in under damages. Sheep eating a bit of grass in a garden isn't going to do it any harm. But the house owner could see dollar signs and run to their solicitor if they want.


    There is actually a nuance which I can't remember exactly for cattle (which might also be interpreted to include sheep depending on the act). There is a difference between the animal coming onto your property via a neighbouring field etc. and coming in from the public road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    A dead sheep won't wander in - Donald!

    Leave them alone, and they'll come home, wagging their tails behind them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    These threads seem to descend into the same old same old anytime someone posts on here regarding fences ,stock straying etc .

    Not interested in getting into a tit for tat discussion on this subject .

    What does amuse me is the amount of people who give advice with the certainty of an Oracle .

    For a start I keep sheep (a fair bit in excess of the national flock average but less than a few years ago ) .I have had sheep break out on numerous occasions over the years ,at times onto the road and at other times onto farmland or gardens etc .I have had sheep break into corn crops , sheep break into field of beet just before harvesting ,sheep break into neighbours meadow and grazing fields, sheep break into neighbours garden ,sheep on the road for which I had to claim on my insurance (1k) for damage done to the vehicle after they managed to drive though 500 freshly weaned ewes at 3 miles an hour .I have always immediately fenced anywhere sheep got out ,asked what damage if any was done and informed the person that if they had an expense to please let me know and I would notify my insurance company .Not much point in paying insurance if you are not prepared to use it .On no occasion has my premium risen due to a claim and a couple were heading for 5 figure sums .

    On the other hand I have had cattle and sheep along with a horse or two break in here both into fields and into my garden .I just ring the owner and let them know .I have never had a constant problem ie in every case both with myself and my neighbours the issue is rectified asap .

    The idea that I would fence to keep out my neighbours stock or that I would expect them to fence out mine is ridiculous in the extreme .Last winter had some ewes grazing on a 90 acre take of green cover which has 7 houses along the bounds along with some less than exciting hedges .Before a sheep was put on it I fenced the entire bounds with polywire and plactic stakes as well as using a few timber ones around the houses .Took a little time and effort but good fences make good neighbours (and I wanted to make sure and get back this year !)


    As regards the dog bit have had 2 serious dog problems in the last 10 years along with the usual sporadic issues you get at times when grazing away from home .In neither case was compensation forthcoming due to various reasons despite prolonged efforts .Unknown dogs are now shot on sight here and have shot dogs for neighbours when asked .I am well aware at this stage of the ins and outs of the law on dogs and stock worrying .

    All the above said I have never sent a letter ,solicitors or otherwise , or even contemplated court ,legal proceedings etc .Have always reported any thing like dog attacks to the Gardai and followed up on it .they have always taken an interest and have called to people to make them aware of their dog wandering and that it will be shot if seen again .Usually does the trick I find .

    Most stuff like this is easily sorted in the beginning if people are reasonable and take responsibility .Where I live and farm has seen a lot of new houses over the last 20 years (no sites sold here but Eamonn Ryan might force me to part with some yet !) and it has changed the nature of things a bit .Almost impossible to move either cattle or sheep on the road between houses and traffic plus lack of help .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    There was some famous quote from an (I think) English politician who described another politician's attack on him as like being "savaged by a dead sheep"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    It's not about dollar signs, it about making the farmer aware of his responsibility, which he is currently ignoring, and sometimes money, or potential loss of money, makes people sit up and see sense.(also this was just 1 possible action)

    Also another action that is suggested, is simply to report these loose sheep to the authorities, and leave the other stuff.

    My issue is with some posters saying the OP should fence their garden, buts it's the famer that should control their sheep, which they are refusing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 vwcorrado


    Yes are breaking out onto the road first then into my neighbours (who has no gate) and then across the ditch into me.

    If my neighbour next door had the sheep then fair enough putting up a fence between me and him..But putting one up for a so called farmer three fields down Is crazy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    It might be worth your while to review your comments on #26 and #34 which is the reason i commented.

    Bill foir fertilizer? etc

    God knows what you come up with next, none of what you say makes sense.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I gather that the roadside of the house is secure and the animals are coming into OPs property from an adjoining field. This is what the OP needs make secure. It’s obvious that talking to the farmer is an exercise in futility and is only causing frustration. The OP should act on their own behalf and secure their fences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What does the neighbour without the gate think of it all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119412972#Comment_119412972 There was an error displaying this embed.

    so the OP is responsible for animals getting on to public road? thats what your saying. When the sheep come in the next time have them impounded by department...

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    You might do a bit of thinking yourself on this topic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Then I think, that technically, the owner might not be negligent for cattle trespass which is a strict liability issue. Could still be liable under nuisance. I would need to look it up and haven't time now. But I seem to remember that if the animal enters your property from the road, it is different. In your case it comes from third-party neighbour, but it gets into neighbours from the road



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where did I say that? The OP said that they’re coming onto his property from an adjoining field! I suggested that the OP puts a proper fence in place to stop this from happening, as the farmer in question obviously isn’t going to do so

    Try reading the comments in full before posting such tripe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 vwcorrado


    Thanks you all for your comments. The neighbours next door are a new build which is almost complete. So going to talk to them and see what they are thinking too. I will take all your advice on board.

    It's just completely frustrating that we have to go out to the garden all the time to pick up the sheep crap! Especially when the kids are in the garden a lot these days. The owner of the sheep just drives right past our house now and doesn't even stop after us telling him last year about them. Basically he's mad as we told him to try and keep his sheep in his land!! So we are the bad guys 🙈



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    Your doing the right thing, i kinda assumed that the neighbor was local and did not want to get involved, remember someone earlier used the term "blow in's") a term i hate except in jest.

    These people hate it when they get caught and mostly the locals have no regard for this kindof nonscense. likely they be on your side if they know so tell your kids to tell their friends they cannot play in the garden because of this fcuker.

    Most people are decent and make "blow in's" welcome.

    Good luck...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119413092#Comment_119413092 There was an error displaying this embed.

    i think its you who needs to look at the facts my dear. ajoining field where did you read that?

    Your the one talking tripe as you say...

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭cezanne


    Have the same problem I allow my german shepherd to herd them to the edge of our land which he does then he stops he is well trained and they see him coming & run for it. He weighs 65kg hes huge like a huge big black wolf. My neighbour neglects his sheep and is a bad famer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,870 ✭✭✭White Clover


    A very suspicious thread if I may say considering the week that farmers have put down. It would be rare to see such a thread if there was a foot of snow on the road and no bread or milk in the shops!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    It's a wonder that you didn't cover it when you were studying Tort.


    Let's hope that your knowledge of wiring houses is better than you can understand farming or the law



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Ah the poor poor farmers ochone ochone.

    At least stick to the topic at hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    All very good common sense and how things generally done. I guess the issue here is what to do in a situation where the owner of the stock doesn't care too much, unlike decent neighbours like you. We were in similar situation and as nothing was being done, I just bought the stakes, wire and borrowed a strainer from another neighbour and did the job. That was maybe 25 years ago and never one in since from that field. Meant I didn't have to 'fall out' with yer man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,870 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Tbh Paddy, I find it had to believe the OP. The post is about the stereotypical thick farmer. Please yourself if you want to swallow everything that you read or hear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    You have made an absolute fool of yourself... Keep digging as the hole getting bigger, get out if you can....



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