F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

Unlikely, but if the rule was to be thrown out then those times count again.

Multiple cars can have multiple penalties, so if two drivers have 20 place penalties you can figure out who starts ahead if one qualifies 9th and the other qualifies 10th.

It works well enough, I think it would overcomplicate things to start saying you can't compete in Q3 and bump another car in instead, as there are so many possible situations to handle, all of which are very easy to calculate when you just let them qualify normally then add the penalty at the end.

Very occasionally you'll get a situation where a car has no reason to qualify quickly and can give their teammate a tow, but there's been plenty of occasions where teams have just sacrificed their number 2 driver to do that anyway, so I don't think it's a big deal.

They already introduced race length fuel tanks a good few years before the hybrid formula, and the hybrid ones were actually smaller because they had to carry less fuel.

There are some increases due to safety but some of that comes back to the hybrid too. The hybrid power units are more than 50% heavier than the previous engines. This extra weight needs to be dragged around corners. In the first years they were dramatically slower than what came before and even slower than GP2 in some cases. So in order to drag all that weight around at a more respectable speed, they increased the size of the car to allow for more aero, and a bigger chassis means more weight. They also increased the size of the tyres to increase mechanical grip to allow for all that extra weight. And bigger tyres means more weight. And a heavier car means larger forces in an accident, which means stronger impact structures, which means more weight.

So the cars got heavier because of the power units, and that had multiple knock on effects that also added yet more weight, in addition to making the cars wider and longer. Some safety advances would have happened regardless, like the halo which weighs 7kg, but they're a fraction of the close to 200kg increase overall.

The result is cars that are still fast due to all the aero and mechanical grip that allows them to maintain high mid-corner speeds, but they are absolutely huge which makes side to side racing harder, and are significantly less nimble which is also less desirable for racing.

Not that the early 2000s V10s were a dream for racing, dirty air was a major problem and there was no DRS to help out. But just watching one of those cars being wrangled around a track can be as exciting as a whole race in the modern era. Marrying their lightness, their sound and their nimbleness to the current ground effect aero concept could be absolutely spectacular, and would also likely be the fastest F1 cars ever made.

I will be hungry for some rain at Hungary.

I Know Ricard was hard to watch , but rain shouldn't be the fix ...even though it regularly seems to be the fix 😁

Forecast at the moment :

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Huge risk for RB to take you would imagine. I guess they didn't have much confidence in their own ability to develop the Honda PU.

It’s an easy thing for RB to do. Porsche are well tested in LMP so that should transfer over to F1, and then couple that with RB and new engine formula, can’t lose really.

RB will be developing their engines until the new regs anyway, so plenty of confidence.

Honda are continuing to develop the PU (in the limited ways they can) and the Porsche engines won't be coming along until 2026 when they will be built from scratch to new regs alongside RBPT which is obviously what this tie up is going towards. I've no idea what you are trying to get at with that comment....

What is it you were expecting RB to develop for Honda exactly?

Wasn’t Honda just there in an advisory capacity?

Not sure how I feel about Porsche joining F1. And Audi taking a steak in Sauber. Its great there’s more variety but leaves a sour taste in the mouth for some reason

Seb Vettel just announced on his new Instagram that he's retiring at the end of this year

Let the silly season begin. Not a bad seat open in Aston Martin now.

He'll be missed...

Yeah me too. Hasn't been on good form for a few years now. Always seems like a decent guy.