F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

El_Duderino 09

On Ricciardo, has any top driver ever lost form, gone down the grid to a backmarker team and proven they’ve regained form to get a top drive again?

Damon Hill spent a year at Arrows and got the Jordan drive. But he was fired by Williams for other reasons.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312327#Comment_119312327

cant think of anyone

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312327#Comment_119312327

Gasly could be that driver

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312530#Comment_119312530

Oh yeah good shout. Albon probably less likely but possible.

Certainly can't think of an established driver who dropped off and came back to the top.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312573#Comment_119312573

Alonso?

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312598#Comment_119312598

I get you, but he didn't drop down the grid because he lost form. He just made unfortunate decisions.

Just wondering of Ricciardo's career is salvageable. Seeing if there's precedent for a driver losing form dropping down the grid and coming back to the top.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312627#Comment_119312627

debating this myself, what options has he after mclaren?

dulpit

There's no obvious drives left. Maybe in a different series, but I'd say he'll be gone from sport if/when he loses seat.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312669#Comment_119312669

was thinking this myself

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312631#Comment_119312631

I'm sure the likes of Aston would have him of Seb retired. Hass are probably set, Alfa tauri are set, alfa romeo are set.

Maybe if he drove for a nominal fee, he could muscle into one of the bottom teams maybe pay to buy magnussen of his contract. But he's just too expensive at his current rate and not good enough to justify it. No top team would want him and no bottom team could afford him.

He might be out.

Shiok

Perez:

McLaren - Force India / Racing Point - Red Bull

He was used as a bit of a scapegoat for McLaren’s declining performance in 2013 after they had been dominating. First time without a podium finish in over a decade. 

His aggressive driving style & attitude that season (incl. with team-mate Button), along with their perceived performance issues, resulted in him being replaced after one season.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302151#Comment_119302151

but Baku and Jeddah and miami were good races.

Miami a good race lol. No it wasn't it was a borefest.

sam t smith

Miami was a joke. Track falling apart etc. FFS.

nf2k

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Hill had his destiny in his own hands when he was kicked out of Williams. McLaren offered him a drive but with unfavorable financial conditions, pay per win or something like that. Maybe he was offended by the offer, which is fair enough, seems unfair, but I'd imagine it would have worked out better than his Arrows deal. Presumably he got a better contract at arrows and Arrows back then had Tom walkinshaw who was involved with Benetton in the glory days so maybe he convinced himself it could be a dream team. So slightly different in that he was on form and kicked out unjustifiably and could have stayed at the sharp end if he wanted to.

The Jordan deal turned out to be a move up but really EJ needed a British driver to keep Benson and Hedges happy and was willing to pay him a lot. At that stage though his heart wasn't in it, 99 especially.

quokula

You could make a case for Frentzen. Promising early career netted him a drive with the world champion Williams team, he had a very poor run there and ended up at Jordan where he ultimately put up an unlikely title challenge in a car that had no right to be there.

Perez too. Great start to his career landed him the McLaren drive, but he was dropped quickly and was stuck putting in great performances in the midfield for years before finally getting a long overdue front running seat at Red Bull. I don’t think he necessarily had a run of poor form at McLaren though, the team’s expectations just exceeded the reality of the car they produced and he was never given the time to get fully settled.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I think if Ricciardo gets cut from McLaren his only realistic landing spot would be Aston Martin if Vettel leaves. That would most likely be Vettel swapping with Ricciardo or else retiring. Although I do wonder who would replace Hamilton if he decides to retire. I wonder would they go with a Vettel/Ricciardo, a clear number 2 or a genuine rival for Russell.

sam t smith

At the time Hamilton left McLaren he was on a bit of a downward slide.

He was being bested by teammate Button, for a time he was squabbling and involved in incidents with Massa on a regular basis etc.

Who knows what would have happened if he hadn’t switched to Mercedes.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313767#Comment_119313767

Even though he finished ahead of Button in the Championship that year?

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313802#Comment_119313802

He was bested by Button over the course of their 3 seasons as teammates.

The writing was on the wall.

flazio

I think, if for whatever reason, Hamilton can't race in Mercedes-Benz anymore then the front runner for the position is current defending Formula E champion Nick De Vries

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313811#Comment_119313811

Hamilton beat him in the Championship in two seasons out of three.

And before you bring up the total points scored thing, one very good season doesn’t make up for the two where you were beaten by your teammate.

I know you despise Hamilton but your nonsense really doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. The season Hamilton left he had beaten his teammate for the second time. That’s how Championships are decided. They’re not decided in a combined total over three years.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313811#Comment_119313811

You are wasting your time with them.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313842#Comment_119313842

Tell me how I’m incorrect instead of posting digs.

Dont be dick. Engage in the discussion if you’re able to?

Unlike you, I use clear and obvious facts when forming my opinions. The clear and obvious fact is that Hamilton beat Button in two seasons out of three, including in the season before he went to Mercedes.

That refutes the nonsense that Hamilton was ‘being bested by Button’, doesn’t it?

MadYaker

I think Vettel will retire after this year and if he does that looks like the only option for Riccardo. But as far as I remember he does have a contract with McLaren for next season as well so maybe he will stick around? Who do McLaren have in the wings waiting on a seat in F1?

Even if he was showing some sort of improvement at all he’d surely stay but he just doesn’t seem to be able to adapt to the car at all and his days of signing 15 or 20 million euro contracts are behind him for sure. It’s kind of sad because he comes across as such a likeable guy and the sport is definitely better with him in it.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313854#Comment_119313854

No, I wont continue the discussion because this topic has been done to death and its outside of the Hamilton specific thread. It's 2022. No idea why you don't have the cop on not to retaliate.

I was hoping it would put an end to the shite talk by advising the poster they were wasting their time trying to convince you of anything other than Hamilton being god and Merc being a power house.

guyfo

In their 3 years together Hamilton's best WDC position was 4th, Button finished runner up in 2011 and outscored him points wise across the 3 seasons. All despite joining a team that was built around Hamilton by 2010.... Hamilton had the raw pace but Button was the more complete driver at the time.

Those are the facts.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314462#Comment_119314462

So you were annoyed that this topic was brought up by another poster, and instead of asking them why they were doing that, you decide to have a dig at me instead.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. You said nothing about it being 2022 and the topic being done to death until I challenged you. You decided to be dick to me instead. So don't pretend you actually care about when or where this topic has happened.

This is the second post over the weekend where I wasn't even talking to you and you posted to have a personal dig at me for the simple reason that I said something in favour of a driver you don't like. What a sad existence you must live in if there can't be an argument in favour of Lewis Hamilton's abilities allowed in your presence.

You're an absolute coward because you can't even tell the truth. "The topic has been done to death." Tell the poster who posted lies in the first place then. Of course you won't because he is on the same side as you thinking Hamilton is the worst thing about the sport.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314663#Comment_119314663

Thanks for the multiple personal insults. Not sure how telling some they are wasting their time is an insult to you, they are, it's not like your going to turn around and say "yeah, your right".

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314643#Comment_119314643

And at the end of the day, Hamilton beat Button twice. Button had a very good season in 2011 but it doesn't mean he 'bested' Hamilton in the course of their time together as team-mates..

Again, you don't decide a championship over a combined total of three seasons, so I don't know why that logic applies when deciding the Hamilton v Button debate again.

Hamilton beat him in two seasons out of three. End of.

AMKC

Well that was a waste of two days for the drivers. This weekend just goes to show that these sprint races are a waste of time. Honestly these Sprint weekends are just stupid and the sooner they are dropped the better. Max was on pole yesterday and still is. The Ferraris were in 1-2 and still are so whats the point? Just a total waste.

They would have been far better having the actual qualifying today instead of this waste of time sprint race.