Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

A NYT article on the now casual indifference of Europe to COVID, a sign of how far we have come.

In response I offer some waffle about herd immunity

And something about those not taking vaccines killing my granny

Throw “120,000 people may die” on top of that and you have a solid foundation for a narrative behind the policy of dealing with covid, that some governments would have been proud to come up with.

I don’t see how what you found changes the findings. Hospitalisations is not something that should be taken as a metric, as we don’t know what level of caution for vaccinated vs unvaccinated was applied when hospitalising children in Singapore and how that compares with other countries. Would they be more biased towards hospitalising an unvaccinated child vs a vaccinated one when both showing the same symptoms? What truly matters are ICU numbers.

Hospitalisation numbers may possibly matter when we want to protect an inefficient and mismanaged healthcare system but I don’t buy that sh1t. Healthcare system is to protect people, not the other way around. Nevertheless it makes no difference to the fact that vaccinating children with these experimental mRNA drugs ‘just in case’ should stop now as there is no medical benefit to it. Not to mention that the protection that the vaccine provides barely lasts 3 months and that its long term safety is unknown. Kids are better off short and long term without it. Messing with their immune systems that are still in a process of forming is plain stupid.

These are only short term effects. I’m sure there are long terms adverse effects of vaccines that will come to the surface at some stage in the future.

You can call it what you want, but me posting here a couple of interesting studies is not misinformation. These are results of scientific work and are posted here with no intention to deceive anybody. I have mentioned these here as they are peer-reviewed research pieces published most recently and are to provide a more than adequate support to an argument I was making earlier, which was that protection from vaccines is short lived, infection provide strongest and longest immunity, and that vaccinating children makes no sense from medical perspective (I claimed that much earlier this year too). These are becoming facts to the scientific community at large but interestingly do not trickle through the media yet. Will they ever?

In fact there are some people here who purposely or not, time and time again, claim that the vaccine is as good as previous infection or that the people are getting re-infected as frequently following previous infection as those following vaccination. They are the ones spreading the misinformation. What they are saying is simply not true. The mRNA vaccines were supposed to work like that but sadly they don't. I provided independent evidence that supports my point of view. That is all.

Contrarian thinking gets often labeled 'misinformation' and contrarians are often called different names i.e. 'conspiracy theorist', and we have seen a lot of that here. It is nothing more than a defensive mechanism that is used to discredit and marginalise others with different point of view, so that the existing beliefs of the herd can prevail. The governments and the media have done that a lot recently too.

You clearly have no interest in critically looking into your choices in the context of a new information, and that is totally fine with me. But labeling a post 'misinformation' simply because it challenges your beliefs is not acceptable.

That and the fact that the population becomes more immune as more and more people gets natural immunity from being infected in the previous waves. We are on a good trajectory.

Just because you are not aware or reject new evidence does not mean that it does not exist, but sure bury head in the sand. It is better that way, right.

"Duration of mRNA vaccine protection against SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.1 and BA.2 subvariants in Qatar": https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.13.22272308v1.full.pdf

And "Duration of immune protection of SARS-CoV-2 natural infection against reinfection in Qatar": https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.06.22277306v1.full.pdf

These two most recent papers provide a very good evidence that challenges your very dated beliefs. The fact that mRNA vaccines wane quickly is a public knowledge at this stage anyway. RTE did not mention it yet? Then it surely isn't true. Good luck to you.

Man, you have to laugh...🤣

And don't forget mask mandates have been written into law so can be brought in any time. Of course it won't be used, just like the digital covid cert was only for 6 weeks so indoor hospitality could re-open.🙄

The government is to end public testing in the Autumn.

It follows advice from the new CMO.

Better late than never. What an incredible waste of money. Perhaps over a billion spent on testing.

Now you're contradicting yourself. As you've said, Omicron paved the way for the removal of restrictions. So why, according to you, will these same restrictions be reinstated when Omicron and it's many subvariants are going nowhere. Indeed one could argue that the subvariants are even less harmful than the original Omicron, which itself was less harmful than Delta. I just don't see the case for restrictions. But it won't stop some posters fantasizing about them on here..

Check your facts before spreading misinformation.

The paper on vaccines study has been submitted on 13th March and published since: Nature Communications doi: 10.1038/s41467-022-30895-3. The second paper was only submitted on 7th July and is awaiting the review. There is nothing unusual about that. Both come from the same group of people, same country. Moreover the latter only confirms what has been concluded by researchers in other countries already. I have provided the context for these papers the first time I mentioned and quoted from them in my post #33464 on 19/07/22 at 11:33 am.

You keep on advocating for the vaccines and discrediting all the facts and information that argue against them with all the bullsh1t at your disposal. I suggest that you provide a solid evidence to support your arguments rather than a constant nonsense. It does not stand up to any scrutiny.

I understand that, by your own admission, you are now on your 5th vaccine. Is it possible that you are totally biased and have gone that rabbit hole way too far to see the light any more? And no evidence will change that? As I said before, confirmation bias and sunk cost fallacy have no limits. You are a perfect example of that. Stay there if that is what you want in a hope to keep your reality intact, I could not care less. With all above considered, you have no credibility whatsoever imo. 

Well, for example as per post #33482 - vaccines are not much good for the kids and young folks. If anything quite the opposite. There is a strong argument that for that cohort risk vs benefit should be re-evaluated as there does not seem to be a medical justification to vaccinate children as such. Especially against omicron.

Is that all you take from this study? This is not much of a ground braking conclusion as Pfizer have told us all that months ago. Putting that into context i.e. efficacy over 2 month period from injection may make it sound far less impressive. But of course you know better and accuse me of being selective. Lol. We have been there before, you and I. Let's don't waste each other's time.