Spain and Portugal are at their driest for 1,200 years

That definitely ^^

AND a whole bunch of MagicK ..

Do you ever notice parts of eg Ireland where it rains most are the places tis most deserved (ye know who ye are !) ..

I think its all electric .. mindset etc .. if theyre generally Miserable on the ground they get it in the teeth .. i've seen it .. personally .. frontline stuff .. at the rockface .. in different parts of Ireland

(Ye know !)

Which is a real problem for a solid savvy guy like myself just tryin to get ahead .. cheerful disposition, will marry etc ..

tis all electrical .. look no further

Whereas by the sea, the West coast, theyre always lighthearted and Always up for the craic .. all that sea air ..

Tis all electrical i tell you

Just move to the sea and shut up about it

PS. and tf cheer up. The weather is simply down to attitude

You're drinking, right ?

Any person can assert a conclusion and then charge those who don't accept the conclusion as denial/denialists. Someone can assert the Earth is flat and then create spurious and contrived reasoning to support it thereby setting up a false intellectual foundation for any acceptance or non acceptance. It is impossible to contend with climate change modelling for the same reason therefore raising the standard of consideration is the only option and specifically introducing planetary dynamics as the main driver of planetary climate.

The use of the word 'denial' is horrible as it hints in the direction of Holocaust denial. The fact is that people can judge for themselves whether the academic doctrine of natural selection played a central role in human extermination by misusing the Earth science of biology inherited from the Royal Society Victorians-

" Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival." Wannsee Conference, 1942

This really happened on account of natural selection and a misuse of the Earth science of biology. Now it is our turn where misguided people are intent in misusing the Earth science of climate.

You don't need to believe it. You need to accept it.

That's some top-drawer authoritarianism right there.

In Ireland down through history we've had Vikings, Normans, British, Catholic Church and they all ruled with some degree of iron fist. It seems everytime we shake off one regime, another one quickly moves into take its place. This time it's the Watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside.

If science cannot be questioned and scrutinised - then it isn't science.

Very sad to see these trends and leanings taking over the scientific community. Very sad.

It takes two surface rotations acting in combination to explain long term cyclical weather, otherwise known as the seasons. Sometimes it takes people with common sense to recognise that visual evidence takes priority over any other consideration and especially as they surface rotations can be seen through time lapse of another planet-

Beyond all the facile academic politics and all the political hype are those two surface rotations to our parent star which make a mockery of the concerns of our era and the awful conclusions which are promoted as factual certainties.

Congratulations in advance to those who can work things out for themselves and find climate research for the first time.

It is information sharing so no need to make a point as the imaging speaks alone whether I demonstrate the dynamics behind the seasons and climate or not. Some foolish people may assume I am making a desperate appeal, however, that belongs to the climate change modelling community and their many cheerleaders so that leaves people with a higher standard of consideration in all matters where climate and weather intersect.

So, 50 seconds in as the time lapse covers a few years very quickly, the two surface rotations become easily identifiable and this perspective in absolutely necessary in putting climate research on a proper foundation-

I am obligated to keep this approach front and centre even when others are speaking of acceptance/denial that humans can control the weather. It is not for cheerleaders of academics but for those who have a more expansive view of a planet that moves in two separate ways to the Sun.

It is sometimes dismaying to see people diminish themselves in these matters for there is nothing at all difficult in extracting the anti-social behaviour from genuine climate research and acting as adults for the sake of students if not for themselves. If people are so attached to their diplomas and doctorates that they can't reason properly, they should stay clear of planetary climate which involves planetary dynamics as a basic skeletal structure and concentrate on short term weather predictions which do not have to appeal to cyclical weather.

Cyclical weather, better known as the seasons, has an underlying dynamical cause, whereas climate is dependent on the degree of inclination to the orbital plane which controls the range and speed of changes across latitudes as the Earth orbits the Sun while turning daily. The closer to the orbital plane, the greater the range and speed of those changes. If the Earth had an inclination similar to Uranus then life on the surface would be impossible, so even if these observers are searching for exoplanets with the same chemical composition as the Earth, size and distance from their Sun, habitation is not guaranteed.

The circumference where the Sun remains in view with the North pole at its centre is currently contracting and will contract until September 21st when that circumference disappears altogether and replaced with an expanding circumference where the Sun remains out of sight until its maximum Arctic circle circumference on the December Solstice.

It involves plenty of modelling, however, it also involves two surface rotations acting in combination and that is where it all begins.

Please make what stop?.

The expanding and contracting circles with the North pole at its centre where the Sun remains constantly in view or out of sight is responsible for the Arctic sea ice development which follows that expansion/contraction. The North pole is currently turning towards the dark hemisphere of the Earth, so the circumference where the Sun remains in view is shrinking as the radius between the North pole and the dark hemisphere decreases.

Weather is cyclical before it is anything else whether the day/night cycle or the seasonal cycle. After this, climate is the rate and range of change across latitudes so it is far more complicated than a blanket definition that climate is long term weather because it suits climate change modelling.

With all your pleading, I suggest you don't read anything I write as this is not for everyone. Just concern yourself with short term weather events which I enjoy too.

The reasons behind cyclical weather, like the seasons, is based on two surface rotations acting in combination and is no more a hypothesis than the heart pumping blood around the body is a hypothesis for we can visually affirm both.

I can even push the boat out from here and suggest that the ENSO, organised around the planet's rotational equator, equalises the variations of the atmosphere, oceans and landmass and influence weather based on this approach-

The components which go into the Earth sciences of biology, climate and geology are just as complex and intricate as the components which come together to make up the human body. The crude and anti-social behaviour which attempts to make climate an extension of weather is also present in the view of the planet and what makes life possible on the surface.

" Are there changes underway with the two surface rotations acting in combination that are causing changes in the climate?"

Explaining the seasons properly for the first time is no small matter as planetary climate is the next topic based on inclination to the orbital plane so the former is necessary to explain the latter.

The North pole, with its zero daily rotation velocity, keeps the same orientation in space at all times during an orbit of the Sun so that point in space occupied by the star Polaris or the North star mirrors what happens on the surface of the planet (ignore the circumpolar motion of the other stars)-

In this case, modelling is brilliant for the purpose of interpretation and the conclusion that when daily rotation is extracted, the entire surface of the Earth turns once to the Sun over the course of a year as a function of the orbital motion of the Earth.

The body of a person represents the Earth while walking around a central object imitates the planet's orbit of the Sun with the floor representing the orbital plane. The nose of a person roughly represents the North pole so as they walk/orbit a central object/Sun, they discover that in order to keep their nose/North pole pointing constantly in the same direction as the walk/orbit, at one time or another, different parts of their body/Earth face the Sun/central object as they complete a circuit. This represents the second surface rotation aside from daily rotation.

The time lapse of Uranus shown previously shows the same behaviour for although the North/South poles of Uranus remain constantly pointing in the same direction, it means the entire planet has to turn parallel to the planet's orbital plane.

Many of the technical details were covered in another thread*, however, it is now much easier to arrive at genuine climate research by considering weather as cyclical before anything else. If a reader doesn't accept the causes of cyclical weather like the day/night cycle or seasonal cycle then climate as a topic will always be beyond reach.

The experiment of using the human body while walking around an object to imitate the orbital feature of a single surface rotation each circuit and aside from daily rotation is new to observers so they no longer need to inspect why previous researchers like Copernicus dropped the issue in favour of a less productive approach. As far as it goes, it is a matter of two different frameworks where the framework of Ptolemy, the one Copernicus was forced to filter his insights through, is deficient for explaining both Precession of the Equinoxes and more importantly, the direct/retrogrades of the faster moving Venus and Mercury.

I enjoy short term weather predictions like everyone else so stick to what you know. When it comes to putting climate research in order, cyclical weather and planetary dynamics takes centre stage and it takes effort to get to that point.

* https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058149316/2020-officially-saw-a-record-number-of-1-billion-weather-and-climate-disasters/p74

If you are disturbed on account that climate research emerges out of cyclical weather and the underlying causes based on a moving Earth in a Sun-centred system, then don't read nor interpret what is in front of you. Just go your way and dwell on short term weather modelling and upcoming weather events.

Weather, in its cyclical format, is not open-ended like the modelling community try to do so breaking the bad habit of extending weather into climate without planetary dynamics takes quite an effort, even without pleading from people like yourself. The information sharing, which connects planetary dynamics to planetary climate, would only appeal to a small audience who do not want to be trapped in the squabble between climate change hysterics or denialists, at least as they describe each other.

So, there are people who want to consider climate without first considering cyclical weather such as the seasons and this is an impossibility as the benchmark for planetary climate is predictability first and foremost. A GP does not wish to overreach and be a surgeon and that is the difference between short term weather modelling and proper climate research for although the former is necessary and just as important, the latter requires a great deal of specialist knowledge and care.