Excellent article on how important small landlords are and how screwing them over hasn't worked

The institutions can, in theory, be controlled easier from a political standpoint. None of them are big enough to really make a difference on their own. If the government brings in a law which negatively affects them, well there are no votes lost. The company might lobby but they will have to adapt and deal with it or sell up. Regulations change all the time in most industries. Businesses just adapt.

Not everyone wants to buy of course. It suits some people to rent. But I am sure you know of plenty of people who are paying rent who want to buy. There are a huge cohort out there.

Government has change the rules regarding renting while in a nursing home to encourage people to rent them. Again you have not got a clue and are waffling.

All you are is a waffler

Actually Bass, no need for the aggression, or calling someone else a waffler when you are wrong. The rules have not been changed.

That proposed amendment is still at Bill stage. You can follow its progress here:

It went to the Seanad, was referred back to the Dail and is currently still there.

But at least some people are moving their capital because they've been shunted out of the market.

I dunno what do you have you're not "currently" using. Spare rooms... Surplus cash.

@Bass Reeves 'And Wafflers like you and DT will blame the few small LL left around while corporate LL will keep rising rents and if there returns shrink they will stop financing apartment builds.'

I've mainly criticised political passivity of small LLs. Apart from that I haven't blamed small LLs for anything. I'm convinced that aggressive collective action and advocacy is needed for like-minded groups of small businessmen to prosper. (e.g. Vintners Association)

There should be a small-LL representative on prime time TV debating Richard Void-Barret, calling him a liar and a waffler, as just one example of something that isn't happening but should be.

I don't favour corporate LLs. But corporate LLs play the game of exerting influence, they aren't posting on discussion web sites saying 'the chickens have come home to roost'

I've no idea what this means. People are leaving for many reasons but 'shunted'...

Most of the whinging appears to come from the "small landlords" Bass. Fairly consistently across this forum. I mean, this thread is about them being "screwed over". The poor divils.

One of the main drivers for the decrease in rental properties, particularly around the city centres, is due to short term rentals such as airbnb or booking.com. Predominantly "small landlords".

If I were a small landlord who wasn't able to manage the risks, I'd be leaving too. Prices are high and there are fears of a bursting bubble. Many such people are 100% mortgagees from the mid-2000's who were genuises until 2008 or 2009. Then spent the next few years feeling sorry for themselves and having to be bailed out or have legislation or policies implemented to protect them. Now prices are back up again and they can be geniuses again. Some might remember 2008 though and want to jump ship now.

'If I were a small landlord who wasn't able to manage the risks, I'd be leaving too.'

But the risks have been exacerbated by legislation so its not an organic process.

Listen Bass. Stop it and don't be embarrassing yourself. You already accused me of waffling because I told you that under the Fair Deal Scheme a person has most of their rental income taken away. It had changed you said. I didn't have a clue you said. I gave you the link to the Bill. Proof that I was correct. It hasn't changed. You were wrong. While I would prefer to let it pass, you keep attacking me. So I'll keep reminding you.

All you have is your own emotional waffle, with no references. Don't be projecting what you know you are doing yourself onto others. Now you are professing to know what "most LL" would prefer. Did you get voted onto the position of spokesperson? Can you post us a link to the facts backing up your assertions or are you pulling them out of your arse?

As you know, many properties on these short term sites are not registered. Here are some references for you. Not emotive facts pulled out of my arse.

One advantage of having proper professional in charge, for example REITS is that they have to comply with legislation or else they will be caught. The chancer will put the 12 bunk beds into the 3-bed house. The chancer will list their single property on airbnb without registering or having permission - even if needed.

I think it quite something to make a lucrative market repugnant to the people who can supply the thing you've a critical need for.

Your are waffling again about extremes in the market. It a waffle waffle waffle. The quite simple statistic is that in the last 6 year we have 20k less tenancies even after the supply bought in by Reits.

I presumed that nearly six months after they announced it the government had changed regulation or legislation to I crease supply. Not that it will work anyway.

They can rush legislation that penalises small LL's but cannot help with supply. You are waffling that every thing is ok there is no problem with LL's selling up and moving away from the market and rents sky high.

The market is in flux and like our politicians you waffle on

They are and more are continuing to do so. But sure the properties don't disappear right! Oh I forgot every single rental property sold still has the same number of people living in them that they had when they were rented.

Incorrect. Occupancy rates of rented houses is 50% higher than owner occupied. In general single people renting will have a person in every room. People renting because rent is expensive will match numbers to there housing need.

You get a lit of single and couples buying 3 or four bed houses or even larger. Occupancy is way lower in owner occupied to rental properties