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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #12602
    peter kern
    Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298649#Comment_119298649

    out of interest who do you think will profit most from the current uk horizon waterloo. is there a country in eu that profits the most or does it move evenly.



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    #12603
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119298625#Comment_119298625

    I don't drive and I have the expat's mindset that moving home is admitting failure. I've a decent job in the UK and so far the only adverse Brexit-effect I've encountered is a more expensive weekly shop.

    We'll see. I'm hopeful that we might get a government connected to reality here some time soon.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12604
    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119299744#Comment_119299744

    Whichever EU-based scientific projects next-in-line (-applying for H grants) are most deserving.

    Allocation is not country-biased, it is project team’s skillset- and project’s outcomes-biased, according to compatibility with EU R&D objectives.

    Besides, team members in any given EU research team are frequently well-distributed across the EU member states, these days. What with EU-driven FoM, qualification recognition, data regulations, etc.



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    #12605
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Brandon Lewis gone now too. How much longer can Johnson brass-neck this out?



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    #12606
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,510 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I assume the NIP is safe now with today's news. The imminent "next week next week" nonsense is surely on hold at least.

    DUP will again be forgotten about across the water now that they have real things to worry about.



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    #12607
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Peppa is bacon!!

    Announcement due from downing Street this morning



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    #12608
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302676#Comment_119302676

    Actually, I expect more of the same tactics from the next tory brexit pm



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    #12609
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,870 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Well yes but a big question is can they continue to force through Boris' old measures when he was such a failure.


    They will likely have to start from scratch with their own protocol busting bill. Given that this won't even start till they are elected, found their feet, gotten some important stuff done it would be quite some time before it gets to a vote.


    Similar tactics in the future but once again waiting for the UK to collapse has come up trumps for the EU.



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    #12610
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,303 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119297278#Comment_119297278

    As someone involved in the meat industry.


    The highest quality and standards in Western Europe would be us by a large margin,then Britain, then Germany back a bit, the rest have a deliberate lax approach to them.



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    #12611
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,110 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119302783#Comment_119302783

    He isn't bacon at all - yet. He says he wants to stay on till September, so he limps on. He's not gone till he's gone. And how much damage can he do in the meantime? Whatever happened to gardening leave?



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    #12612
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303087#Comment_119303087

    I'm not too worried. Parliament breaks up for much of the time he has remaining. I'd say there'll be handouts, peerages and the like. Not much else.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12613
    peter kern
    Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119300016#Comment_119300016

    thanks

    but if i have a quick look at the table of countries receiving funds which was posted on this page a few posts up countries such as luxemburg finland netherlands seem to punch way above their weight

    while countries like poland and italy and rumania punch way bellow their weight

    for instance italy has 3 times the amount of people than the netherlands but in terms of received funding they are within 7 percent of each other so.

    so while it might well be distributed with a lot of staff working internationally. from a job and tax point of view it would appear that luxemburg netherlands and finland might profit the most.as they seem to have strong programs.



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    #12614
    ambro25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,994 ✭✭✭ambro25


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303209#Comment_119303209

    That’s as may be, and you can take it as an indication of each country’s academic prowess, capacity to host teams (in part or whole) and to administer/‘sell’ projects.

    As said, attribution is not based on a (specific) country nor its size, whether in population or GDP.

    You can have a large country with relatively low academic potential (say, Italy or Poland) and a tiny country with exceptional academic potential (say, Luxembourg or the Netherlands), whereby the tiny country gets more grants.

    Poland is a bit of an outlier in there, they are increasingly facing ‘soft’ sanctions due to their ongoing populist-driven constitutional spat with the jurisdiction of the CJEU. Which may go some way to explain the low attribution in recent times.

    That said, I work with the University of Luxembourg and regularly interface with a tech transfer person there, who joined them from Poland not so long ago - and whose evidence, all anecdotal that it is, matches your observation and my present reply (Poland is large and has decent academia, but they’re not great with modern/current research topics, transnational coordination and grant application-making).

    So LU, NL and FI get more grants.

    So IT, PL and RO have their work cut out: manage academia better to enhance their competitiveness relative to LU, NL and FI.

    No such thing as a free lunch.



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    #12615
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303209#Comment_119303209

    There's always going to be some degree of inequality and a lot of the best universities in Europe are concentrated in places like Germany, the low countries and the UK.

    Having spent the best part of a decade in biological research, I've noted a flood of Italians here along with Poles in cancer and immunological research which is where I work. I think the English language is a huge draw as well but those two nationalities are significant demographics in scientific research here IME. I've seen positions in places like the Rhineland-Palatinate demanding English but sadly also German in many instances.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12616
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭yagan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303419#Comment_119303419

    I wouldn't let the requirement to have German put you off applying as I know people who applied for posts with such conditions only to get the job and find themselves in an international team where English is the common medium. I've know people attempt to improve what German they have but colleagues prefer not to have to teach German as well as meet deadlines.



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    #12617
    dublin49
    Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭dublin49


    could it be the head of the snake has been chopped off with Boris getting his cards and a more grown up approach might evolve with time.



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    #12618
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303694#Comment_119303694

    Thanks! Never thought of that.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12619
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭yagan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303737#Comment_119303737

    Just ensure that you highlight you EU citizenship in your introduction. I was working with an engineering firm around the time of the brexit vote and for the month after they got a flurry of CVs from brits but they just got ignored as the nature of the business meant long term planning and engagement for pan EU tenders. The ones that prefaced their CVs with also having another EU citizenship got replies.



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    #12620
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303836#Comment_119303836

    Thanks Y. I've my Irish nationality mentioned specifically at the top. That's a good tip.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12621
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,809 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119303717#Comment_119303717

    I would not be hopeful going on past trends. The Tory PMs have just gotten progressively worse and more extreme as regards stuff that matters to us here in this country like their antipathy towards the EU, disregard or contempt for Ireland etc.



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    #12622
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,427 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Most of the candidates are going to be cut from the same cloth as Johnson, this isn't going to result in some seismic u-turn in tory policy. The real worry is you get someone who holds the same goals and beliefs as Johnson, but doesn't have the baggage / incompetence / controversy around them that has held Johnson back from getting too far with anything.

    You have to remember that it is scandal bringing Johnson down rather than an aversion to his politics, and this will be reflected in the leadership contest.

    The one outlier I think is Sunak, who I believe has been the one trying to reign in some of the cabinet on the NIP issue out of the fear of economic consequences should they piss off the EU.



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    #12623
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,510 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305945#Comment_119305945

    Johnson didn't have beliefs. He was only using the NIP to distract from his scandals.



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    #12624
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,110 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Just as an aside, I heard the theory today that the reason Johnson wants to hang on is because he has Chequers booked for the wedding party that he couldn't have during Covid (because of course you couldn't have parties during covid). (On Phil Moorehouse's A Different Bias)



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    #12625
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Watched QT ( From Barnsley) and, with a couple of exceptions, the panel (which included a Labour MP) and the audience were of the opinion that Britain should ‘ get on with Brexit’ and that it had been voted on.

    What did slightly surprise me though was that British musicians could tour pretty much freely in Europe despite leaving (Roger Daltry was actually mentioned as one)



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    #12626
    rock22
    Registered Users Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭rock22


    @joeysoap wrote What did slightly surprise me though was that British musicians could tour pretty much freely in Europe despite leaving (Roger Daltry was actually mentioned as one)

    That seems at odds with what the UK musicians union are saying. And Roger Daltry has signed a letter from many musicians complaining about the situation ( interesting that Daltry is a Brexiteer and earlier had argued that Brexit would have no affect on UK musicians )

    They certainly need a work permit for Spain and Germany. In fact I think that , without an EU agreement, UK musicians are subject to each countries separate legal requirements for non EU workers. Some countries require permits and some don't.



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    #12627
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,510 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307209#Comment_119307209

    It's the massive team behind the acts that are really suffering. UK based production companies are gonna lose out on a lot of work because the promotor will just hire an EU based company rather than take them across the channel.

    Mr.Daltry will have no problem and his mansions and fancy cars will survive Brexit.



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    #12628
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307209#Comment_119307209

    Portugal was mentioned as one of the countries where no ‘ agreement’ had yet been implemented.

    Roger Dalty was mentioned because he was a brixeteer and was currently touring in Europe. The context was ‘we can have Brexit and still negotiate a deal’



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    #12629
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users Posts: 4,809 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305965#Comment_119305965

    Maybe he doesn't have beliefs or a strong ideology, but at every stage of this process (Brexit and aftermath) he eventually went with what harder line elements of the party desired.

    I just don't see this changing with a new leader.

    How can it if most of the MPs and the ordinary membership approve of a policy of forever warfare with the EU/shítting on Ireland & NI from a great height if need be to further that struggle? Those hoping these policies will change could be disappointed.

    Conservatives are fed up with Boris Johnson now perhaps, not the policies I expect.



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    #12630
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306906#Comment_119306906

    They could tour freely if they have others doing the paperwork. Lots of things like having to use trucks and truckers and roadies that are allowed to make trips between the UK and EU and within the EU. Big acts can hire people to get that sorted, which is what they do in the rest of the world anyway.

    For smaller acts it's gotcha after gotcha. IIRC UK bands can freely tour Lichtenstein, but can't get there without going through the EU so it's complicated.

    Amazon.co.uk still sell here because they can handle the overheads. I just don't bother with smaller UK sites anymore. I wanted to buy something on ebay for £22 , seller had an option to ship via ebay who wanted import charges and postage of more than £22. We aren't a huge market for the UK but it used to be easy for them to sell here and elsewhere in the EU. That's gone until if they rejoin the customs union.



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    #12631
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,510 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310675#Comment_119310675

    It's a little thing in the grander scheme but English craft beer has disappeared from Irish shelves. Given it's already limited market losing the adult drinking population of 7m people is a big deal.



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