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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fr0g


    You were making the claim that low population density was a factor. The same would apply to Ireland having one the lowest in Europe if that was the case. You know perfectly well what I'm saying.

    Either low density is a factor or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,719 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where did I make the claim it was the only factor?

    Low population density was a factor. Government measures was a factor. Voluntary shifts in behaviour was a factor.

    All of the above in relation to your neighbours were factors too.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,719 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Are only people under 44 allowed to be 'fit and healthy'?

    I wasn't aware the entire older working age population & active retired were not fit and healthy.

    How many people in Ireland fall into your definition of 'not fit' / 'not healthy'?

    And are you just prepared to write them off?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fr0g


    That makes no sense. What point are you making? You are desperately trying to find an argument where there isn't one. I am disputing your figure of 15%

    Go ahead. Count the numbers up to retirement age. Explain why it was necessary to shutdown the entire economy. While your thinking about that maybe you can tell me where they hid the bodies of the supermarket check out workers who were exposed to hundreds of people every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,719 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In the first instance, the claim we shut down the entire economy is strawman nonsense. If the entire economy was shutdown, how were these supermarket workers going to work? You're tripping over your own nonsense.

    The measures were to slow the spread of the virus. It is an infectious disease. It spread from your 'fit and healthy' to the rest. Some of them were getting sick from covid and ending up in hospital - but the main reason was to stop the infections spreading. Medical staff, care home staff, carers, the vulnerable, all of them still had to interact with the rest of the country to access essential services. We couldn't quarantine them away unless you think you could conscript them in barracks for the duration.

    And further asked and answered below:

    In the US 50% of Covid deaths were under 80, and 15% of deaths were in under 80s without underlying conditions.

    Look at the ICU and hospitalisation admissions for covid. The ones who pulled through weren't people who were going to die without covid. They were people, in many cases 'active retired' age groups or with conditions with reasonable expectation of many years of life, who needed medical treatment. Medical treatment that would not have been there, or would have been severely curtailed \ limited \ triaged in the event of the cases overwhelming medical capacity.

    And not only people with covid, everyone in need of medical attention would have been facing the same difficulties in accessing hospital care.

    And there you have the reasons why country after country reacted as they did.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,755 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You are agreeing therefore that Irelands approach saved lives , very true .

    Odyssey mentioned US I think as an example of how a less stringent approach across the board resulted in deaths especially in states where less were vaccinated .

    You yourself brought the US up as regards Florida and California and bizarrely dropped it when challenged .



  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You won’t read them but here you go anyway

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/


    The memes you are working off as your data sources are 2 years old at this stage and were flagrant misrepresentation at the time, having now aged to blatant lies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,755 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Think you are reflecting your own issues there tbh. If you had read my reply and understood it , you would see how it flatly dispoves the facile rubbish you are posting .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fr0g


    "The CARES Act created the 20% add-on to be paid for Medicare patients with COVID-19. The act further created a $100 billion fund that is being used to financially assist hospitals."

    Did you read it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I have no issue with someone wearing a mask if it makes them feel safe but do people (e.g. that GP on rte earlier) seriously think reintroducing them on public transport and at airports will actually make any difference? Surely it's been proven beyond doubt that against omicron they're about as useful as a chocolate teapot?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,719 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did you?

    This is the opening line of the article:

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogus claim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30...

    So, it’s misleading to say that 94% of those who died with COVID-19 also had other ailments without explaining that the disease causes other serious illnesses. And it’s wrong to claim that only 6% of the recorded COVID-19 deaths were caused by the disease.

    So not only have you been caught in a false claim, you've also been caught out deliberately quoting out of the context the article that proves your claim was false.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,755 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's really not in the psyche of an antivaxxer to post without misquoting or taking statements out of context else how would one post ( mis) information..



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just saw that a day or two ago, Donnelly said that only 9 of the 27 in ICU were there primarily because of COVID.

    Tiny numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,755 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fr0g


    It's actually your source and if the the MSM were reliable we wouldn't need fact checkers would we. The irony is most "fact checkers" are actually owned by the media and they still can't get it right.

    this is the actual source from the CDC. The number I was referring to is actually 5.5%

    But that doesn't really make a good headline does it? Not gonna get many clicks from you hungry clickers.

    Maybe I should put that in bold or italic for extra emphasis. What do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Fr0g




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,353 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Can’t believe there are still people out there who can’t let this go and still want restrictions. I see the same poster still crying about hospitals every day as if its our responsibility. Its not March 2020 anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭celt262


    Would you not go and lift your face mask off the floor of the car and stick it on and keep quiet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭horse7


    Some info please, 93 year old going to nursing home respite for a week, nursing home wants him to have a PCR test , GP doesn't do it,. HSE Test center doesn't do it, it's only for over 55,s immune comprised etc, any advice?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    93 is over 55?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭horse7


    You have to be immuno compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    A nice new study out 😉and some good news

    . “ Effectiveness of primary infection against severe, critical, or fatal COVID-19 reinfection was 97.3% (95% CI: 94.9-98.6%), irrespective of the variant of primary infection or reinfection,”





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Just pretend and book as normal through HSE website. They won't ask at the testing centre.

    I did it myself in the last wave, only way to get the recovery cert for travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭horse7


    Tried that already,no booking text so called them, they said because not flagged as Immuno suppressed can't get one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I know it's an expense but can't you get a private one done via a pharmacy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Dr Henry reminding us that Covid hasn’t gone away and saying the “fear factor may not be there anymore”. Has anyone any suggestions i can forward on to him to get people scared again?

    Answers on the back of a postcard please 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's the very natural progression of people's mindsets in that face of a disease that is increasingly mild and he's always going to express a medical opinion on this.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wish people would remind him that cancer, dementia, flu and a long list of other diseases are also not gone away.

    Should we be afraid forever?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Should we be afraid forever?

    Yep, that seems to be the idea



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