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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭BoroMan32


    Bad and all as Clare were, I think that was a performance that a few (myself very much included) didn't think Kilkenny were capable of producing.

    Every reason for optimism heading into the final no matter what the opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I didn't see that one coming at all today but I've always said on here that we have the players capable of good things when we leave the brainless one dimensional stuff out of it(never believed the" we don't have the players"theory) .... I've also been critical of management on here for our style of play so I have to give them huge credit for finally seeing the light and giving these players a chance to play to their potential. Clare were poor today but it was an excellent performance today from our team and management. Well l done to all concerned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Wonderful feeling to be back in an AIF.


    I've been very critical of Cody's tactics for the past few years. I stand over my opinion and to be honest he would be a mere onlooker today had the decision been mine.

    However, credit where it is due. Kilkenny were sublime today. And the tactics were flawless.


    Important not to get ahead of ourselves. Clare were absolutely hopeless. In part due to the relentless pressure our lads were applying, but in part down to their own failings and poor decision making.


    We were good, no doubt, excellent in fact. But we must also keep in mind Clare didn't show up.

    TJ was simply awesome. Huw Lawlor, Mikey Butler, Cian Kenny and Adrian Mullen not far behind. Indeed everybody involved can be proud of themselves tonight. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Over the moon with that result, and with what was our best performance as a team in a good number of years. The backs were so good, every one of them, but especially butler who rendered Kelly completely anonymous, and huw Lawlor who was just a beast all day. Richie Reid had his best day for kk yet. What I liked best of an though was that they played smart ball, Deegan had a few bad clearances (but was immense winning ball) but in fevered we worked the ball up so well.

    The forwards were great as well, tj is still the man for the big occasion, but Cian Kenny had his best match for us yet when he was probably regarded as a weak point coming in. Great work from Cody and Mullen as well.

    I certainly underestimated a lot of those lads during the week, hands up I was wrong about that. Cody can also take his credit today after many including me were calling for his head. But I would say he has finally shown a willingness to adapt and to play the game that's in front of us. But fair is fair, if we lost he would have been blamed, and tactically the management played a blinder today.

    Great to be able to relax watching tomorrow now. And looking forward to being home in Ireland in a couple of weeks, going to be in town for the days in the build up and with any luck will have a ticket for the Sunday. Have been going on to my kid about how exciting it was as a kid in the lead up to a final when the town was all decorated, and now I'll be able to show her what the sport is about back at home. For that opportunity the win today meant a lot to me personally, but for the team it's been a huge step forward.

    Not making any predictions for the final as I've been wrong all year! Whoever it is it's great to be back!



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭usualstripes


    The best performance we've put in for a number of years. What makes it sweet and also hard to defend against is that when we lost our way for 10 mins in the 2nd half when Murphy went long we changed and started carrying out of defence where we started to control things again. Fair play to management to allow snd train us to vary our play. There could have been another 2 or 3 goals there for us today.

    I was roaring at Billy Ryan to get the ball in hand but to be fair to him he was being dragged at every opportunity and got no fair play from hogan. Everyone fought like troopers.

    Wally excellent in fielding and setting up kenny for the 2nd goal.

    Mouthwatering to be looking forward to a final.

    If it was a close game horgan would be in the firing line for some ridiculous calls but today was about a super performance and once again fair play to the management and players.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭2forjoy


    Tj proved today , that he's more than a left hand sided hurler😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I have enormous time for Tony Kelly (and Shane O'Donnell) and others but it was such a pity that Mikey Butler's shot was wide. Imagine outscoring TK from play?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    well done today lads fully deserved , they have a saying up north in football" backs win matches , forwards decide by how much"

    hue lawlors performance alone today was worth the match fee , that was an exceptional performance in man to man defending , nothing stuck for our inside men at any point ,

    in regards kelly he is carrying an injury since the munster final , but he is only one man he cant carry a team on its own mor is it an excuse , more so a bad indictment on a manager that starts an injured player and leaves him on the field for 70 minutes

    butler is fantastic , so is young tommy walsh, deegan , mullan and codys performance espically in the first half was top class, tj iwas a class above everone else though , 3 fantastic points from play and flawless from placed balls

    in years past fergal horgans lack of whistle use has worked against kilkenny , cody made sure it wouldnt be a factor today , like dublin in the football ye are hitting the peak ath the right time , best of luck in two weeks time 👍️



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭murtyd17


    Huge credit to kk today - unreal performance. Wonder will people get caught missing going to the final with foreign hols booked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭tibruit


    It was a surreal day. The noise from the Clare support was incredible early on. I thought Lawlor, Deegan and Reid were immense at the back, Kenny was a bit of an unsung hero and TJ and Mullen excellent. It`s great to see TJ coming into form at the right time and we now have a final to look forward to. There is still a huge challenge to come. C`mon the Cats.



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Anne Sour Cemetery




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Had great banter will the clare supporters before the match and really nice people. The talk was that kk were going well so I wasn't shocked by this performance. If I was to be a little critical he should of brought on Richie in the last 10 minutes but hopefully he's being held in reserve for one last push.

    While colon was a loss and fitzpatrick was the wrong replacement I don't think it would of made a huge difference to the outcome. Our workrate and accuracy was off the charts. We Don't mind but any time we win this year the narrative is the opposition is poor, dublin,galway and clare everyone said they were poor. Wexford are a decent side and could of bet clare but again clare were poor. Its probably the leinster/munster thing. It was the same with the u20 all year the munster championship was way ahead and when we won it was controversial and Limerick were poor etc etc. We're big boys now we don't mind and hopefully that win gives us a huge fill up going into the final.

    Backs again continued playing well and Richie Reid had his best game in a kk shirt. Lawlor was Fantastic. Carey was under pressure against sod.kenny is something different and is a good link up man. He won 3 or 4 frees and got 1-2 I think. Looking down at mullen yesterday he covered some amount of ground yesterday and after a slow start to the year he is back to his best.Tj is still the orchestrator but if we can get a full 70 mins out of our fowards who knows what could happen.

    Hopefully fogarty will be back and he'll be a big help around that middle third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    I couldn't fault Kilkenny yesterday. They were excellent and for the kilkenny diehards that went it must have been a joy. My Father went up from South East Clare. This man has followed Clare through the dark times. I think he's been at 10 losing Munster under 21 finals before they won one. He's suffered. Yesterday was one of the worst he said. They didn't give Kilkenny a game. That's the hard part to swallow. No one appreciates Kilkennys inate ability more than Clare people but for Clare to Lose Conlon and Kelly being half injured was a big deal. That doesn't paper over the missed and dropped balls and selfishness on the ball and kamikaze shooting.

    Butler was very good. Eoin Cody showed his class and the whole team did a shift. Kilkenny will give Limerick plenty of it, or Galway. Lohan has a few questions to answer in Clare and they ll be asked. Paidi Fitz doesn't start for his Club Sixmilebridge times...no joke. Not playing a sweeper after 10 mins was a mistake aswell and the unwillingness to go for goals. Best of luck in the next 2 weeks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    I said following the Leinster Final performance that somebody got through to B Cody. Suddenly we were finally playing smarter hurling, which was badly needed. And that if we could further progress in the intervening four weeks we have a good chance of going further. Credit to B Cody for further adapting and allowing the players to find their potential. I always said we had the players, a plan was lacking. Great to be in the Final.

    On a side note, none of the winning under 20 players are on the senior panel. Some of them will make it in the coming year which should push us on further, hopefully.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭sportsmaddad


    Fantastic KK performance yesterday, best this year for sure. TJ, apart from his own scores, how many did he set up? But he wasn't the only one, stars all over the field.

    But my God, didn't Clare have a stinker? Work rate was way down and shot selection criminal, admittedly a lot of that was down to KK pressure. I guess all that Junior Hurling throughout the Munster Championship wasn't much preparation 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Eoin Murphy. Did his job well. Puckouts bar 2 were good.

    Mikey Butler. Kept a tight rein on Tony Kelly, did well.

    Huw Lawlor. Exceptional

    Tommy Walsh. Sound in general. One almost suicidal pass across the square.

    Michael Carey. Quietest of the backs, Shane O'Donnell scored 4 points.

    Richie Reid. Got on a lot of ball and used it well.

    Paddy Deegan. Did very well generally. When on a solo run should hoof the ball instead of handpassing in hope.

    Conor Browne. Quiet enough game

    Cian Kenny. 1-2 and won a few frees. Good

    TJ. Legs are slowing down, hand and brain aren't. Excellent.

    Padraig Walsh. Got 2 scores but didn't get on the ball much.

    Eoin Cody. Very good. Should have got a few frees.

    Adrian Mullen. Excellent, covered a mountain of ground.

    Mossy Keoghan. Struggled in general.

    Billy Ryan. Tried manfully, should have scored a goal. Constantly being dragged but not spotted by referee.

    Walter Walsh. Set up a goal, good point, should have had another.

    John Donnelly. For the second game in a row seemed nervous, snatched at ball.

    Richie Leahy. Did his bit when he came on

    Richie Hogan should have been brought on for the last few minutes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Even the bookies wouldn't touch this. Genuinely priceless.

    It was one thing to be so angry over Cork's defeat and the fallout on the Cork thread to have to follow the bitch elsewhere,

    but the five heroes giving thanks makes it all the funnier.

    Goes to show that watching actual games rather than jumping between bookies' apps can be quite illuminating.

    It was obvious after the Wexford game that Clare were running on empty but Cody must have been laughing his head off

    when Clare decided it was a good idea to just hit high balls in all day to the Kilkenny full back line. Priceless as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    Anyone trying to ascribe the win yesterday to any kind of tactical innovation doesn’t really understand hurling or particularly Kilkenny at all. We could have won that game yesterday any which way we chose. The essence as always was work rate. You’ll always get that from Cody’s teams. Where we’ve gone wrong in the last few seasons is not turning up for a second half.

    Congrats to Cody and team on another ‘unforeseen’ victory. Here’s hoping we get written off again for the next day.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,174 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc



    Sad over a Cork defeat? Follow the bitch elsewhere? The 5 Heroes? What are you on about????

    I made money on Kilkenny yesterday, so I'm happy out.

    To be honest, your post above is fairly sad and pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭usualstripes


    Just one point to pick here is that there are no guarantees we could have won it any way we chose.

    Take 15 mins at the start of the 2nd half. Murphy drove several long puck outs to our half forward line with very little success. Its only when we went short through our full back line to our half backs and then delivered bal to our inside forward line we got far more success.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭citykat


    We absolutely would have won any way we chose because we outfought Clare pure and simple. Case in point if we weren’t winning primary possession off puck outs into the Clare full back line, we were winning secondary possession. Clare had a purple patch in that second half yesterday which for them put on a gloss on what otherwise was a brutal day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    While I wouldn't be concerned about short puckouts to the Clare full back line, they got possession from 14 out of 15 puckouts between the 45 metre line and midfield. With the distance that the ball can travel, this was giving them possession within shooting distance. Luckily for us, they were inaccurate with their shooting. A lot of this possession came from quick puckouts in the second half when we had dropped back. Our forwards had to do a lot of chasing and looked tired in the second half. Our forward subs like Donnelly, Wally and Richie Hogan are not blessed with speed either along with starters TJ and Padraig Walsh. Overall Clare had 53 shots to our 42. Our shot selection was much better with hardly any hit and hope. We did only win 5 out of 18 puckouts which we struck beyond their 45 metre line



  • Registered Users Posts: 257 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    Nowlan Park looks absolutely fabulous on telly for the minor game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 SpudsandGuinness


    In fairness to kk there after getting into some amount of all Irelands in the past few decades lost a few but won plenty. It has to be respected. The mentality been I would imagine if you ain't in it you can't win ...........



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    A lot of good aspects to the play yesterday but plenty to work on. Were asleep for a lot of the clare puckouts, need to get a lot more from the subs, some of them still not going well. Wally did ok for a few minutes and drifted out of it. None of them looked good enough that they should have started. Disappointed not to see Richie but game was over, wasn't much to be gained bringing him on



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Not sure if there will be any particular match ups against Limerick. I don't fancy Tommy Walsh on Gillane. Maybe Huw Lawlor? Deegan on Hegarty?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The county was a blaze with sporting events we certainly punch above our weight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Great win and more to the point a great performance. Fair play to Cody and the management team. Can never fault the team for effort and work rate and great to see them hurl so well. Huge test but nothing to lose now



  • Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭conor05


    Im not sure there is any defender in Ireland that can handle Gillane in the form he is in, they dont go for many goals they are happy to score points all day.

    Limerick are a very good outfit but Galway really got at them today but David Reidy is causing huge problems when he comes on so we have to plan for their subs too.

    I think we can match them for workrate but we will need all forwards and midfield chipping in with scores.

    Mullen, Cody and TJ gave me great hope yesterday up front.

    It is going to be some final.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    It's going to take an almighty effort to beat Limerick, probably need to match our intensity of the 2006 final against Cork if not more. Both Clare and Galway have shown Kilkenny that Limerick can be rattled and if Galways shooting was better they would have won. Limerick usually play their best game in the final so there can be no let up in our intensity from the minute it's thrown in to the final whistle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Who will mark Gillane and Flanagan?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    I'd imagine Lawlor on Gillane anyway, possibly Butler on Flanagan. Wouldn't be surprised to see at least 1 of Lynch and Casey starting the final for Limerick, interesting to see how they would fit Lynch in after Hayes going well 11 today, Hayes wasn't playing as well in the FF line to me he's a middle third man every day of the week, I'd be surprised to see Mulcahy keep his place for the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    id go tommy walsh on flanagan and lawlor on aaron, walsh has serious reading of the game in my opinion and just going by the munster final where flanagan destroyed hayes i think it was down to who was in front and timing is everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Flanagan did well on Hayes in tbe munster final. Hayes won 3 frees, all scored. I dont think the full forward line suits Hayes at all. He doesn't have that instant control like a Gillane but he's the best athlete in the GAA, he needs to be running at guys. I can't see him going back in the full forward line. Lynch will come in allright at 11 and Hayes midfield or vice versa. Humdinger of a match coming up.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 42 KK Supercats


    Great win on Saturday. Our best performance for a number of years and much more variation to our game. I thought Mullen was superb throughout. He was available as an exit for the backs on numerous occasions and took his scores really well. Lawlor was also magnificent. Limerick will be ready for a war and will not fear the physicality we will bring. Congratulations to the mgmt and panel on reaching the final. Limerick will rightly be favourites but I am feeling more positive then I have all year about this KK team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Thoroughly agree. We've finally adapted to smarter hurling and the players are clearly happier for it, playing with confidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Depends on who else starts.

    I could see lynch (if fit, cos he wasn't fit yesterday) start corner forward instead of mulcahy in that free roaming role and butler might be needed to mark him.

    If not I'd go butler on gillane and lawlor on Flanagan and walsh on mulcahy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    It was interesting to hear Adrian Mullen say that they had been working on composure coming out of defence in the last 4 weeks. Cody said that they had been working on creating a settled spirit



  • Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Mad about baa baas


    They had 4 weeks..I'm sure they could work on a number of things..most 12 year olds work on 9 subjects a day in school .. 😀



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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭kentu


    Can't wait for the final....Its going to be some occasion you'd feel, Limerick will enter game as hot favourites I imagine when going for 3 in a row.

    Everything will have to go spot on for us and some players will have to have the game of their lives, Hard to see any changes happening either for us, Mossy Keoghan might be under some pressure alight but he's a great knack of getting goals so for that reason alone I think he should start.

    Adrian Mullen has really come into his own now and playing hurling of his life but Limerick will be out to get him like a pack of dogs. Likewise TJ and E Cody will be closely monitored.

    Lawlor probably best suited to Gillane but Cody could have Butler in mind for that, Limerick would love taking Huw out of full back to exploit us that's where R Reid would be crucial if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    Could be a game for the ages. It harks back to the epics of the 1930s. Similar type make up to the teams aswell. A big strong Limerick star studded team and then a youngish Kilkenny team with a few older all time stars. It's fascinating how history loops on itself.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    I doubt Kilkenny has ever gone into an AI Final as such outsiders, we are as much outsiders as Waterford were when we were going for 3 in a row in 2008. We need a performance similar to that in 2006 when we stopped Cork competing their 3 in a row.



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭Butterbeans


    You're spot on. I keep going back to 2006 when I think of this years final. We need the same scoring accuracy we had against Clare but physically its going to be a step up too. I'm really looking forward to it, it's a step further than the last 2 years, we're playing a smarter and more cohesive style. We're in with a shout, but it's all to do.

    Waterford in 2008 got their game plan wrong, they were more about getting in KKs face than concentrating on hurling. We'll have to do both and then some against Limerick. Great to be back in final.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Kkcitylover12


    Great to be back in a final as you said, very little discussion during the past weeks about Kilkenny as it was all about Clare so will be interesting how the build up for the next two weeks goes. This 'Underdog' view on Kilkenny and waiting in the long grass has been an advantage for us.

    Will be interesting the support for the final with the fewer number supporters at the All Ireland Semi vs Clare, still reckon their will be a healthy demand for tickets but will be people be less likely to travel since it's against this Limerick team. I for sure will be in Croke Park on All Ireland final day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Limerick do not do a man marking job as far as I am aware, hardly likely to change this for TJ, Adrian Mullen, Eoin Cody or Mossy?



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭Butterbeans


    It's a funny one, there's a lot of factors that come into attendance numbers, and this year in particular with petrol and diesel prices.

    One or 2 on here have stated they won't travel to any more Kilkenny games as long as Cody's in charge and I'm sure that's probably true for a wider cohort of supporters also (and I'm not passing judgement on that, each to there own). I was at all the games this year, apart from Gal v KK round robin game, and the biggest support we had percentage wise was against Wexford in the park and that wouldn't have enticed anyone on the fence to attend the Leinster Final, there was a lot of heads hanging low leaving that game.

    We've a smallish population, certainly the smallest of the teams competing for Liam McCarthy at present, bar Laois and Westmeath.

    I think the fact it's Limerick will put some people off, but if we listened to that narrative we need not have turned up for last Sundays game. Having poor support seems to always be leveled at Kilkenny, and possibly there's a bit of truth to it, but myself and the few I go with will be there hail rain or shine and there's plenty more like that and that's alright by me. You'll always have a handful that will only go for finals, but that's the same with all sports.

    We'll certainly be outnumbered at the final, Limerick have nearly twice the population we have, but that's just more people to say hard luck to on the way out😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    I would say a lot of those who said they wouldn't go while Codys there may reappear now they're going a bit better, numbers always drop when things aren't going well. Not sure what the total cost is for going to every game, league and championship, especially with all the extra round robin games, but I imagine its out of reach for a lot of people, add in a few kids for some and petrol/diesel as you pointed out and its fairly significant. With the forecasts its looking like numbers will be a lot worse next year. For the population in Kilkenny the attendances have generally been quite good I would have thought



  • Registered Users Posts: 297 ✭✭jimmythesulk


    Let's face it. We have one of the worst support of all the teams. Alot only appear for a final. Galway likewise. Wexford, Cork and Limerick have always had great support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    To be fair, the population of the county is just over 100'000. That's tiny. We're never gonna make our presence felt in Croke Park with those kind of numbers.



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