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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 The Birchfield Boy


    So you can go support your club for the next 6....



  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ Must love hardship


    Some lads are never happy.. before we used to regularly see kk play 4 championship games to win an all ireland over a 5 month period.

    Now for Kk to win they have to play a minimum of 8 championahip games.. its a much better scenario for everyone..



  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭ usernamethatsnotinuse


    not overly happy, it’s not four extra competitive must win games. Would prefer the provincials to be run off as quick as possible and have something closer to the league format for the championship. Mix it up and not see the same teams play every year and definitely not the potential for 3 times in the one year. I still think it’s going to get pretty stale with a couple years of this format.

    doesn’t seem to be the same excitement going into the two semis this weekend. Maybe other people see it differently



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ Fred Daly


    Telling me what i all ready do at junior league match last Sunday night, if you need to be smart go somewhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭ Nickindublin


    I have said for years that the Provincials should be first instead of the league and the All ireland should be like the league. You could then have a relegation and promotion with 2 tiers. Of course to make the Munster and Leinster competitive you would maybe need to give the winner 2 points and runner up 1 point going into the All ireland series.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 319 ✭✭ usernamethatsnotinuse



    unfortunately it always comes back to trying to give the provincials some meaning. If the competition needs some incentive for teams to take it seriously like giving it points or a bye into the semis its not really a competition worth having

    I used to really like the league, wasn't good this year with teams focussing on getting ready for the championship. Good opportunity for some of the other players to get some game time. I wouldn't be in favour of dropping it from a player development point of view



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 The Birchfield Boy


    Good boy. Top of the class. And I'd suggest that if you found that reply "smart" I'd suggest the INTERNET isn't for you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,446 ✭✭✭ blackcard


    Hard to say that Kilkenny have improved from their semifinal defeat last year. Still hoping that Richie will come on and perform a miracle. Still looking for a settled midfield. No real improvement in our style of play. Clare's worst performance in the championship this year is arguably better than our best performance. Must be the last chance saloon for Cody. Can he preside over one more houdini act? Or will the knives be out for him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ Fred Daly


    You seem to feel you are in a position to give advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ Fred Daly


    Where was it said that it should not be given a chance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ Fred Daly


    Are you hoping for Eddie Brennan impact like 2011 all ireland, think myself if Kilkenny loose Saturday Cody should not even be considered going forward. Cody did not even consider Hogan last year in the semi final until other options died on him, here hoping but I would not be to confident when you see players like Bill Ryan , Eoin Cody others struggling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭ Billy Ocean


    Well you were giving out that there will be no intercounty action for 6 months saying its all hurried even though compared to 2019 it clearly isn't, RTE and The Sunday Game have already decided that's its not fit for purpose even though the club element of the calendar hadn't clicked into gear, clearly it suits their agenda to have a dragged out intercounty season where their showing games on Sunday afternoon's in August and September rather than James Bond repeats. GAA has rightly got hammered on plenty of occasions for being to conservative so don't think people should jump on them now for trying something radical with good intentions, I'll wait til the end of the year to judge, as i said before the biggest issue in GAA in the last decade was the uncertainty club players faced over fixtures and that badly needed to be addressed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭ dzer2


    Just a quick note on that. The better club players still haven't hit a ball in anger yet. We are just in July. Have a chap playing intermediate and apart from a Micky mouse competition and a few challenge matches he has only played 6 games. If things go tits up he will only play 6 more. And be finished the middle of September. Some return for the club players training since last January



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ Grats


    I totally respect a club players viewpoint. From a supporters point of view I attended a lot of the senior club league matches and found them to be very competitive and enjoyable. In addition I've been at numerous underage matches from primary schools right up to minor. Spoilt for choice. Great credit to all those players and mentors for providing such entertainment over the last number of months.

    For anybody interested in the current action, have a look at the Kilkenny GAA website and see for yourselves the huge amount of fixtures every evening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭ dzer2


    That's only half the fixtures you also need to look at the camoige and LGFA ones as well. Since March both my wife and myself have been cut in half trying to get kids to games and see the older lads playing. Now they have thrown the U19S in to the mix as well. We were out Sunday 2 games, Tuesday 2 games, tonight 3 different venues one has to get a lift so won't see that game. 1 game Friday and then training over the weekend. Next week 1 game Monday 2 games Tuesday, 2 games Wednesday 1 game game Thursday and 1 Friday. Haven't look any further than that. Come the middle of September more than likely be finished except for any of the younger ones involved in squads. Absolute madness. The chap playing minor hasn't stopped in 3 yrs between hurling football and squads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ Grats


    Of course. And there's a parents viewpoint of the amount of GAA going on currently. There's plenty going on besides inter County.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭ Rosita


    No much of a split season if club players are playing and training away since the start of the year anyway.

    It's not great if these debates are framed around impressive-sounding words like "radical" (as in change). That gets away from the practical reality of the matter. Does it work for inter-County to maybe have half the year as a close season and then potentially 16ish games between early February and mid July (4 months)? Is there any harm in "dragging it out"? Is there actually a promotional argument in having the finals later? And in what way does a small few counties playing in the latter stages of the championship impact on the club scene broadly?

    And with regard to clubs.........do they actually have half the year off more or less until the inter County scene is done or are well paid coaches just elongating the whole process to make more money? Is there a danger clubs will have to play loads of matches in a short time because it's later starting? Or is this really working for clubs as envisaged?

    There's a lot of questions to be asked in assessing "did it work?"

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭ kksaints


    Why have ye been training for 5 months when the championship wouldn't be starting until at least this month? Surely that will just lead to fatigue close to when the championship starts.

    I think the County Leagues need to be scrapped or preferably revamped so that there's fewer matches in them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭ Neewollah


    The county league is only 3 games at Intermediate and Senior if you don't qualify for semi. We did Gym only work from Feb to end of March and then back out on the field and it's been slowly ramped up as we get closer to the League/Championship proper. We've been in no way over trained in fairness. It's the lack of competitive matches matches til August is the problem. You can talk up county league matches and challenge matches against top teams from other counties but they are never going to be the same to players and I've seen an element or boredom in our group for the last month in particular waiting for the big games to come.

    I honestly believe the best way forward is to have club only months like April and others around the Intercounty season and tell County managers to do one as they are the stumbling block to everything. Club matches in the middle of county scene never did KK any harm in our peak and I believe most county players would be in favour of the change of scene a couple of times a year. I have no doubt that the current split season will be shown to be very unfair to the club player. A simple hamstring injury in your 1st game could accurately pretty much end your year with the new set up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭ kksaints


    Aren't the signs of boredom evidence of mental fatigue with the training to an extent? I think the county leagues start too early, they should finish up the week before the championship starts. This gap of a month between the end of them and the start of the club championship is nonsense.

    IMO it makes more sense to run the intercounty season off first and then start the club season. The April club month didn't work well in many counties and having clubs start training in January for 3 or 4 matches in April and then having a 2-3 month gap until the next round was a mess. Plus while it wouldn't effect us too much, it was particularly messy for strong dual code counties with some teams basically switching back and forth between codes. While there's definitely merit to your idea of telling the county managers to do one if they try and stop club matches or intercounty players playing there's too much at stake in the Intercounty game prestigewise and financially. Similar to your idea of having county players returning to the club for matches during the season. I'd like it, it puts less time pressure on the club championship and the players might enjoy the change. But with the increase in the number of intercounty matches in the current system there's far less time for player recovery plus if you had an unlucky year with a load of players getting injured in a club match mid intercounty season, it wouldn't be long before questions would be raised as to why the intercounty team season was put in jeopardy for club matches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭ dzer2


    The head honchos in the gaa have always said club first. At most to win the AI a county from the top tier would have to play 7 games. Before this set up it would have been at most 6 games so there is little difference then thing is the there's far more club players than county. Years ago there were tournaments played in different counties that the teams would be invited to. That's not happening now. Even our club doesn't run their tournament now 20 yrs ago it was the flagship games. Our club now have 3 adult teams and could possibly do with a fourth in a few years of the lads keep playing. There's too much emphasis on the county games now and it's getting too costly to go to these. And this can be sent by the low attendance. Munster final was supposed to be sold out yet loads of space in the terraces. good few of the lads I know that regularly go to matches are not going this weekend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭ Grats


    I know of many club players who headed to the USA for a month or more because of the split season. So it's suiting some.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭ Conversations 3


    Any tickets for Saturday floating around yet?

    I'm after 2



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭ Billy Ocean


    Good to see a players viewpoint, few things on this, it most be remembered the scenario you gave of club games in May, June etc. was at a time when Kilkenny's championship was win a Leinster semi in early or mid june, Leinster final early July, AI semi mid August and final early Sept. The environment is totally different now with provincial round robins. Look at the month of May, Kilkenny played Galway May 1, Dublin May 14, Wexford May 21 then Leinster final June 4, realistically no chance of a club games the weekend of May 8 or 29 with intercounty players involved. If you're training since January for 1 code then that seems odd to me, my club in Wexford were back training middle of February, earlier than planned as the lads who don't play Junior soccer were getting fed up doing nothing, league/group phase of championship is like Kilkenny 2 groups of 6 so the league games played early in the year are against 6 teams not in your group. My club played 6 hurling and 6 football league games between March and May, hurling championship started this week with final in August, football championship after finals in October that with basically the same panel. The week on week nature has always been there, St Martins played 14 consecutive weekends making the final of both codes in 2017, Loughmore did the same thing in Tipp last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭ Billy Ocean


    There will be loads , probably only about 40k at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭ Must love hardship




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭ Billy Ocean


    Munster final was sold out, terraces aren't as populated as 20 years ago due to health and safety



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