Kilkenny GAA Thread

The Birchfield Boy

Kenny to play as a loose ball merchant I'd imagine.

conor05

I would say Lyng is giving Buckley, Fogarty and Walsh chances against Dublin etc.

The 3 of them can’t start in a championship match as they don’t have the pace they once had.

usualstripes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120338641#Comment_120338641

I thought there was only a league final this year? Top team from 1A and 1B. Maybe I'm wrong.

Realt Dearg Sec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343978#Comment_120343978

Nah

brookville

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120347297#Comment_120347297

I'm near certain there's semi finals. Tipp will top our group and meet the 2nd in the other group which could be limerick and cork will probably top that group and will probably meet ourselves or waterford. If we were to get to the final we would be playing 4 weeks in a row.

Regarding our team tomorrow the only suprise is Kenny wing back but I certainly wouldn't be minding team selections and positions.The day of players in their selected positions is gone years.I think waterford had about 5 changes from the team on the programme and it makes a mockery of the whole thing and something has to be done. The supporters should at least know what players they will see a few days out and not 10 minutes before throw in.

Hopefully Delaney can stay injury free and get a few games and hold down a spot.Himself Donnelly and that group are about 5 years on the panel.Pace could come against him. It was definitely interesting lyng playing Lawlor on the the half back line in that fundraiser against Tipp. He's probably the best full back in the country now but it was a bit of thinking outside the box.The full forward Considine has got a few goals for dublin.

I think Donal Burke got 7 or 8 points from play against Tipp and I'd be suprised if he isn't tightly marked if he starts because he is their danger man. The drop of rain could make a few of our lads a bit quicker and I do agree it does appear to lack pace. Dublin have done well despite losing about 10 players. It won't be easy but we should be getting a win and hopefully get a good performance from mullen and drennan.

usualstripes

I think you're right re semi finals. If we can get a convincing win today and perfom well and win against waterford that should give lyng a platform to tune his 15 for a league semi final v Cork or Limerick. We certainly have depth in our forwards but we are thin enough from 2-7.

Tommy walsh

Lawlor

Butler

Blanchfield

Reid

P walsh/buckley/fogarty

kksaints

9 points up at halftime. Our accuracy has been really good, we haven't had too many wides and only dropped one or two short. Drennan has been excellent both from frees and from play. Other forwards haven't been as good especially Keoghan. We haven't had a sniff of a goal chance. Defence has done well mostly. Padraig Walsh has been very good, he's winning most of his battles and is covering a huge amount of ground. Delaney has been turned a bit too easily at times. Dublin have had the better goal chances but haven't done a huge amount else in attack.

usualstripes

Reasonable performance today. Billy drennan an asset , whether from placed balls or open play. Mossy not really in the game. Eoin Cody tried hard and came out with 2-02. Billy Ryan, donnelly and deegan put in a good effort but I thought dublins half back line dominated in the air, especially in the 2nd half. Mullen decent at midfield. Don't know what is wrong with blanchfield that he only came on the last 10 minutes for an injury to Buckley. Cian kenny played the whole match wing back. Maybe there's something in this. Delaney at full back cleared a lot of ball but to be honest doesn't have the pace or mobility required for the full hack slot come championship.

If its lyngs intention to have richie hogan play a part in the championship then he would have brought him on with 15 to go when we were 13 points up.

I know lawlor and butler will slot in the full back line. We absolutely need them there. Not sure how he wants to work the half back line or midfield either. Maybe paddy mullen and either buckley or Fogarty. Padraig walsh did well today. 2-25 a decent score v dublin butore urgency required.

JJs Left Hand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342692#Comment_120342692

What do I know.

I liked that performance today mostly and like how we originally set up with Mullen and Fogarty anchored in midfield / our own 65 allowing the half back line and PW bomb forward as they wanted.

Drennan is ridiculously accurate. Hard to see him dropped.

Only negatives I can see:

We overuse the diagonal ball when there are clear options and space down the line.

Our inside line movement is still a bit basic. Multiple times where Cody, Mossy and Ryan were too slow to move into space when the half back like had the ball or worse the defender was out in front of them.

Eoin Murphys distribution is way off the likes of Quaid. Its not even his accuracy, he just doesn't see it.

Would've liked to see Blanchfield get longer.

All in all though a very good performnce in my opinion.

Mad about baa baas

Who was on co commentary on kclr today? Robbie something I think..sounds like Eddie brennan .just curious

kksaints

Happy with that performance and result for the most part. Would agree with JJ that we overuse the diagonal pass, it was very obvious at times today that the players weren't looking where they were hitting it as they hit into space where there was no Kilkenny player. But there was some good running moves and a healthy mix of long and short passing. Drennan was excellent and I don't see how he can be dropped to the u-20s. Eoin Cody was clinical with his goals, he needs to stay close to the goal as I don't think he's quick enough to play in the half forwards. Deegan was really good when the play broke down at bit in the 2nd half, he hit some good scores and his run set up the 1st goal. His versatility is also a plus. Padraig Walsh also had a great game, he covered some amount of ground and got on the ball a lot. Delaney's mobility is a problem, he gets turned way too easily. Goalkeeper is a tricky decision based on puckouts, Brennan's were much better than Murphy's.

cargo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120349845#Comment_120349845

From https://scoreline.ie/big-game-live-kilkenny-v-dublin-allianz-hurling-league-division-1b-round-4/

We were in the stands as always with Brendan Hennessy and Michael Walsh on duty for KCLR along with the Scoreline sports team to bring you all the action from the fourth round of this year’s Allianz Hurling League Division 1B fixture.

Mad about baa baas

Thanks but there was a 3rd lad there too speaking from time to time..

brookville

Robbie Dowling from muckalee I think is the guy on kclr.

Kk were very good in the 1st half particularly putting up a good score and no wide. Dublin must be said were poor and drove some very bad wides especially after half time.

We are definitely trying to work the ball better but some of the ball coming out of our defense to the attackers was very poor. This along with puckouts will hopefully be worked hard on as the year goes on. A win or draw next week would give us a semi final against cork which would be no harm before the championship.

Alonzo Moseley

An encouraging performance.

Far more positives than negatives but 4-5 players are still being picked or brought on that are clearly either finished or never will make serious inter county players.

Disappointed Gearoid Dunne didn’t get a run, I saw little point in bringing in Walter at HT yesterday. We were all but certain to win at that stage so surely it makes sense to bring on someone we need to get a good look at. We know what to expect from Walter, the odd rampaging run, a bit of disruption and (sadly) woeful accuracy.

Grats

Leaving aside whether Wally is or isn't up to championship hurling he caught more ball than most. If only we had a player, or two, near him to take the pass and not force him to shoot himself. He replaced Mossy who was clearly off form. Wally was way more involved when he came on.

Any news on C Buckley's injury? He was having a great game.

kentu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120352424#Comment_120352424

Who's never going to be a serious inter County player in your view??

Kilkenny were very efficient yesterday and done to a very poor Dublin what we have been doing for a good number of games against them now. Yes the likes of Cillian buckley was very good yesterday but Dublin were so poor that it's hard to read an awful lot into it. Delaney got turned easily for the goal but I'd stick with him as he's not back hurling that long, definitely has plenty to offer. Obviously Huw Lawlor is best full back not even that we have but in the game too so hopefully he will be back soon.

I did not expect Drennan to hit the ground running the way he has, accuracy is out of this world. His attitude clearly top notch.

Keoghan usually has a good response after a poor game so you'd hope even if he didn't start next weekend that he'd make some bit of an impact.

If James Bergin gone from panel is true another dissapointment as he looked really good 2 years ago but maybe confidence may have been a problem.

barneygumble99

Any word on Eoin Murphy, he took a fair whack before half time??

Or Conor Browne or James Maher? Are they gone completely?

Conversations 3

Browne is hurling in Australia, he won't be back anytime soon.

brookville

I agree with the game over at half time I would of liked to have seen dunne getting a run but Darren Brennan and blanchfield were kinda forced substitutes. It was good to see Clifford and Corcoran getting a run. I thought Johnny Murphy was a bit hard on dublin at times although it didn't affect the result.Blanchfield and Kenny won't buy them frees in the summer. I'd like to think our lads don't dive but refs are rightly clamping down on players coming out with with their hands up trying to buy frees.Players will be blown for steps.

We didn't learn much from last sunday we won by 11 we could of won by 21 but it was a good performance.Waterford look to be down a good few through injury and suspension and maybe Davey will want to keep his nose dry till the championship so he will. Id expect a reaction from waterford. A win or draw against them will give us a home semi final against cork. I'm sure lyng would take another match before the championship.We have being lucky we haven't picked up many injuries like other teams.

It's unrealistic to expect Billy drennan to keep giving man of the match performances but he has being excellent so far. He will hopefully be a big addition to our attack.Delaney has missed alot of hurling and he was caught at the wrong side for the goal but I'd definitely give him a few more matches. Huw and butler were more of a precaution and Adrian mullen should be nearly ready to come back.Scruff and Buckley won't be risked sunday if there's any doubt. Our puckouts and deliveries from defense will hopefully be worked hard on over the next few weeks. The goal we conceded came from a player trying to be too clever on the half forward line but we're trying something different so hopefully we get a good match this weekend and a win and a good home game against cork the following week.

brookville

Did anyone stay around yesterday for the minor challenge after the senior? What kind of team have the minor this year? I see a few munster teams have released their u20 panel. We're out in a few weeks. We should have a chunk of the kierans team who will be in croke Park Friday.

usualstripes

A win for us in the league match v Waterford will give us a semi final v Cork.

The team i would like to see if the injured lads are available bar Mullen and TJ;

Murphy

Butler

Lawlor

T Walsh

Blanchfield

Reid

P Walsh

P Mullen

R Corcoran/C Kenny

B Ryan

Donnelly

Deegan

Drenan

Mossy

E Cody

Dont think Lyng will start corcoran so maybe Kenny or have Fogarty in his place but hopefully Blanchfield will get the nod and ditto butler and Lawlor if fit.

If R Hogan is fit then he needs at least 20 mins v Waterford. Otherwise theres no point in him having him on the panel. Would like to see Gearoid Dunne getting 20 mins as well. Not sure how Buckley is after the weekend but Lyng seems to like him there.

Greasy Paw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317303#Comment_120317303

Well as an old ASR boy, it is about 25 miles from Kilmallock to ASR. But as the school is out the Ennis Road and you have to go through the city it may take the most of 50 minutes to travel it, especially during rush hour. I went there in 1967 and then CBS were the main hurling school in the City. They had just four in a row Hartys and two All Irelands, in the previous four years. Now there is no hurling there, which shows how hurling has absolutely died in the center of the city. Clubs like Claughaun, Old Christians, Treaty Sarsfields have all but disappeared, or are barely surviving.

Greasy Paw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120256456#Comment_120256456

Guillane nearly always tries to kick the ball after, as he clearly did v KK in '18 and last year, which is not a breach of the rule

Greasy Paw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120254434#Comment_120254434

Old Greasy Paw, was orphaned young and grew up a very independent Buachill. Even at 73 I still generally cook the dinner. Some of ye young crowd are far too pampered and that applies to those young bucks from my own county as well..

Grats

Contrary to rumours, Conor Heary is still on the senior hurling panel.

mullinr2

Disappointed to see that the Kierans match is not on TG4 on Friday. Instead there's women's football. Now who is going to watch that?

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120359195#Comment_120359195

To drop the hurl intentionally is a foul, doesn't matter a bit about kicking the ball afterwards

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120359461#Comment_120359461

Is it being screened anywhere?

Grats

I think it's on TG4 Sport YouTube

Marrooned

I’d be interested in finding out about the minor challenge against Limerick on Sunday. I do know the U20’s bet Limerick in a challenge on Saturday in Dunmore.

JJs Left Hand

They lost 2-15 to 17. That's all I know

Grats

Croke Cup senior hurling final

St Kieran’s (Kilkenny) v Presentation Athenry (Galway), Croke Park, 3pm - TG4 YouTube channel

Billy Ocean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120359461#Comment_120359461

In fairness the schools finals wouldn't get much viewers either outside of the participating counties.

Marrooned

I also heard Wexford beat Cork in a U20 challenge at the weekend,so Wexford certainly won’t be a pushover in that competition. Disappointing to hear the minor team lost,we really need to be showing something at this level after last years debacle.

Mac_Lad71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360226#Comment_120360226

You heard wrong.

https://www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41091250.html

Alonzo Moseley

So many minor and u20 matches over next 6-8 weeks, hopefully someone will step forward with coverage.

U20s will be serious contenders and their likely inevitable clash with Galway will go a long way in deciding AI.

Dont know much about minors but Ed Mc Dermott would be a massive loss to them if he is injured (he was out for Kierans).

brookville

Busy few weeks coming up is right and its great for us supporters. I don't know much about the minor but last year was certainly a huge disappointment.Alot of the best Laois and offally players are overage this year I think.Hopefully bergin and his management team would of learned alot from last years disaster.

Alot of eyes will be on the u20s and the players will want to prove last year wasnt a fluke. Theres no doubt we got the breaks and luck along the way but they still had to win these matches. Last year is in the past now.Preparation with the full group probably hasn't being ideal with kierans again involved in the final friday and Clifford,Rowe,drennan and dunne with the seniors have done little or nothing with the 20s. They're getting great exposure with the seniors which is great.ive said it here already that when push comes to shove the u20s will have their full compliment although drennan will make it very hard if he continues the way he's going. It will be hard but they'll manage something. The u20s start before the senior and the senior have Westmeath first so he'll play the first few u20s anyway. Lyng managed the u20s last year so he will know how important it is to get a bit success at that level.Cathal beirne,bill Hughes and Harry shine are back from injury which will be a big help.Paddy Langton has recovered from injury. Hopefully denis Walsh will be ready. Theres definitely no guarantees we will be as successful as last year. We kind of slipped in under the radar last year. Wexford will be decent again and galway will be very good.

I think lyng will trust what he has at senior for the early stages anyway. Tj and mullen could come into the attack.Realistically the two big matches we have In leinster are galway at home and Wexford away.Sunday could be our last match before the championship so I would like to see our team taking shape. I would like to see Corcoran and blanchfield getting a run out on the half back line.paddy mullen has done nothing wrong in the few matches but the last few teams have being poor so we haven't learned much about players so that's why it would be good to win sunday and get a home game against cork and then possibly a league final against limerick if we won that.That would be great preparation heading into the championship.We are slowly getting better with the short game. Our puckouts and movement will hopefully be worked hard on over the next few months.

We haven't mentioned David herity here who's doing a fantastic job with Kildare. I really liked listening to him anytime I heard him talk. I'd really like to see him involved with kk at some stage but I'd be suprised if a few bigger teams don't come after him over the next few years.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364252#Comment_120364252

"We haven't mentioned David herity here who's doing a fantastic job with Kildare. I really liked listening to him anytime I heard him talk. I'd really like to see him involved with kk at some stage but I'd be suprised if a few bigger teams don't come after him over the next few years."

Would he be ahead of Shefflin now in line for the throne ?

Shefflin needs to have a better run with Galway this year surely ? Is that /will that harm his chance of the KK job in the future?

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364818#Comment_120364818

I think we've moved on from Shefflin at this stage with regards to ever to him being the senior manager. Plenty of others have showing their desire to help out with various Kilkenny teams. Hopefully D Lyng gets his deserved rewards for being so willing to take over the hot seat from B Cody. I'd also commend former greats like P Barry, M Rice and JJ Delaney for throwing in their lot for the good of Kilkenny hurling.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120364876#Comment_120364876

So was the furore over Shefflin going to Galwaya bit stupid then?

Were people upset that he took the job, or that the Co board wouldnt get rid of cody to allow shefflin take over?

Looking at Galway since (and even when he was with t'town) Henry isnt exactly doing very well?

So would the people that were criticizing the Co board for not appointing Henry at the time, think the Co board seem to be right ? Or is it still too early?

kentu

Are people really putting all blame on Henry during his time with Ttown when you see their record over last number of years?? To me I had Glenmore as favourites to win Intermediate that year as I'm from a neighbouring club and could visibly see and hear what was going on that Declan Wall had such an impact with them.

Anyway Bit harsh if your judging Henry on that. The current Shamrocks success was started by him and he took over the team when there was issues off the field with the club but steered everyone together in the one direction and they have hardly looked back since.

Lyng had 2 very poor terms with u20's in his 1st 2 years although it was covid disruptive but it was same for all teams too.

I would hold Judgement on Henry until we see how his term ends in Galway as ultimately it will all come down to knockout championship, yes they don't have much strength in depth it seems at the moment but time will tell on this. I thought he got all he could out of them in that Limerick semi final personally last year but Henry doesn't do moral victories and he defines meaningful Silverware as success.

brookville

Things were fairly sour when Henry declined to go with Cody with the view to take it on himself the following year. By all accounts cody told henry he was finishing up and wanted him to take it over.Henry declined and went to galway for the big money and fair play to him. I know Liam Cahill declined Tipp last year and all was forgiven this year but I'd say with the click that's in the county board Henry is down the pecking order after what went on. I'd even say herity or Eddie wouldn't be top of their list because they're not afraid to criticize.

We're all obviously behind lyng and from talking to a few players things are enjoyable and fresh. He's straight like Cody and he even talks like Cody in the interviews.Fair play to him for taking the job and the county board have rightly backed him with resources.We all hope it goes well. He seems a really sound fella.

Grats

By all accounts D Lyng is very good at communicating with the players. Some seemed to have lost confidence in recent years but are back in form so far under Lyng. All the more reason that no player, young or old, should be ruled out. Let's see what all the players on the panel can do during the coming year.

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366222#Comment_120366222

That's great to hear on Lyng. I think Cody's coldness and coolness with players had run its course as a managerial strategy. Great managers go though phases and Cody's style worked brilliantly but is now likely to dissappear.

I think it also assuages concerns that Lyng would try to be a Cody clone.

Alonzo Moseley

Good Luck to Kieran's tomorrow, this should be a high-quality match. There is also bad blood between the two schools as Kieran’s feel hard done by, forced into losing a replay 3 years ago in U16 final after winning the first day, but being pinned for playing a sub too many in closing seconds of extra time. 3 or 4 from each team playing tomorrow.

Interesting one, given what I feel were the lousy accusations aimed at Kieran’s by some earlier. I had a look at Athenry's team from semi. Just one player from Athenry. And at a quick glance the other 14 players make journeys between 10 and 30 mins to attend. 13 of the squad come fromClarinbridge, a 20 min drive over poor roads, when they could easily scoot up to Oranmore in 5 mins on the main Galway road.

But hey, Kieran’s yeh!

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366493#Comment_120366493

Funny how you think that second paragraph is a killer riposte. In fact it just further amplifies the point that at All Ireland level 'local' schools will continue to be squeezed out by schools that don't do regular catchment areas.

And......"lousy accusations", are you having a laugh? It is simply a statement of fact that St Kieran's has 20 odd clubs represented on their panel whereas their opponents the last day appear to have had a panel from about five clubs more or less contiguous to town where the school is. The same could be said of last year's Harty Cup winners. These are simply observable facts. They are not "accusations" not to mind "lousy" ones. Reality being unpalatable doesn't stop it being reality.

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366493#Comment_120366493

Yep, good luck to St Kierans and sod the begrudgers.

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120366828#Comment_120366828

For the second year in a row Kieran's will face a team in an All-Ireland final who actually have a starting 15 with a wider geographical reach than Kieran's. That's an unpalatable fact, your accusation that Kieran's are essentially cheating and destroying the competition by harvesting players from 15-20 miles away isn't, it's just baseless bitterness.

Up till 30 years ago, diocesan boarding schools dominated the competition, and the spread of winners was actually narrower than it has been for the last 30 years. Your problem is that unlike the other diocesan schools/colleges, who all fell away, Kieran’s became even more successful when the advantage of having most of your players in school 7 days a week ended.

The bloody cheek of them.

Amazing