Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Interesting to see what happens after the mid-terms. If the dems have control will Biden have the beans to expand the court and pack it?

It does sound like she did misread but what a Freudian slip though.

The issue about packing the supreme court is it always assumes the GOP will never be in the position to do the same , so when does it stop?

Term limits should be something that should be prioritised however, its absurd you have people refusing to step down until they die because they don't want to give the other side a pick. Its something that their is support on both sides.

The GOP have already gerrymandered the court. I'm sure the GOP will continue to do so given the chance. The dems are rolling in a mudbath with the GOP and are afraid it get dirty. The GOP have no such fear.

So, am I correct that the number of supreme court seats was initially set to match the number of circuit courts? So why didn't that number increase as extra circuit courts were added? Do I have this all wrong?

There seems to be something happening very fast with the work of the investigative committee and its staff working on it's evidence hearings. The decision by the investigation committee to meet in sudden session tomorrow after breaking up for the holiday period, with congress members having to return tomorrow to listen to who seems to be a surprise witness is probably coincidental to the FBI, with DOJ clearance and with a warrant from a judge, stopping John Eastman leaving a restaurant and seizing his phone. Eastman is claiming the seizure is wrong. Having the phone and its contents in their possession is one part of the battle to use them to make a case against Eastman of actions contrary to law. The other part is getting it accepted into evidence in a court as well as available to the committee hearings.

I have started wondering recently if the reported disagreement between the DOJ and the committee on the sharing of information the committee has been given by witnesses has been a ploy to legally fool the Trump party involved in the fight against the committee hearings. The FBI must be as aware as any other powerful investigative body of whom is likely to have information useful to its investigation as the committee does and did. I guess Trump may yet regret not issuing a pardon to Eastman in respect to things he may or may not have done on Trump's behalf in the past while still president.

I'm also wondering if some-one high in public Washington public life has [been] rolled-over by the FBI and agreed to provide evidence to the committee in return for non-prosecution. It could also be person/s from one or more of the states vote-recording officials or some-one from one of the alternative Trump-inspired GOP fake vote recording groups.

Is that the Alex Holder documentary film?

The upshot to this time of the witness testimony before the committee is that Trump wanted the SS to remove the metal-detectors from his speech-stage area as the armed people in the crowd didn't want to go through the detectors. Trump, according to the witness, had already been informed by his security that people in the crown were armed and he said "they're my people, they wont harm me".

In his speech from the stage, Trump said "we will go to the Capitol" in the full knowledge there were people armed in the crowd he wanted to go with there.

After he left the stage, Trump had a row with the Secret Service security detail in his car as it had an Off The Record [OTR] instruction to go to the White House and not the Capitol and tried to over-rule the OTR order. He actually laid his hands on the detail and tried to seize the steering wheel of the car to change its route shouting "I'm the effing president" The detail told him to remove his hands off them.

In hindsight, it might have been better for the US if the Secret Service had obeyed Trump's order to take him to the Capitol. The trouble he's caused the US since that day may have been resolved by doing so. No one in the GOP could credibly stand by him after such a deed.

He really is something else. The stupidity of this man (and his supporters) really knows no bounds.

Not only did he do nothing to condemn it, he actually encouraged it. According to this lady's testimony, he wanted the magnetic metal detectors to be disabled so that people could get into the Capitol with weapons. It's truly disgraceful what he was up to.

Comments made about GOP resignations following from what is now shown to be an attempt by Trump to overturn the election by force caught me by surprise. Betty DeVos quitting the following day should be a guiding light now for genuine US Republicans as distinct from republicans supporting Trump in his attempt to succeed in a putsch. On January 7, 2021, DeVos tendered her resignation as education secretary as a result of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, saying to President Trump in her resignation letter, "There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation." Betty DeVos is no minor league player in US and Washington political affairs.

Later today may provide more light on the witness statement that Trump used physical violence against one of his Secret Service close security detail in an effort to get to his peaceful rally at the Capitol Building on the 06th. According to a CNN report, the secret service is supposed to be providing witness testimony to the committee hearing in response specifically to the reported physical actions and incidents between Trump and members of his detail in the vehicle carrying him away from the stage event he spoke to his rally. If the secret service does so and confirms the truth of the witness's testimony, it SHOULD blow away the smoke Trump has released tonight in response to the testimony.

whats that image, is he back on twitter now or just formatting releases to look like it?

The quote trump said was 'they're not here to hurt me' as if to imply they're here to hurt someone else...

Yes, plus an acknowledgement that they were no threat to him. It helps to dispel the "It was anti-fa who stormed the Capitol" disclaimer put out to distance Trump from the violence that his peace rally people brought down on the heads of the people who really protected his GOP allies in the Capitol that day.

Edit... Just caught what's [possibly] in your post. Given that he reportedly didn't disagree on what his peace rally was chanting "hang Mike Pence" that day, it make's clear his dislike of those who are not loyal to him. His family would presumably fall into that category because of their advice to him that day and probably get a few FFS's.... sent their way.

Would Trump have been sitting in passenger seat of the beast?

surely he is in the back seat, therefore not able to grab steering wheel??

I am no trump supporter, just thinking of how that could happen.

That doesn't bear imagining, plus two secret service details [Trump's and Pence's] crossing paths in the midst of the Capitol Police efforts to bring order and safety back to the legitimate occupants and staffers, with Trump in his mob-assisted ascendency. Pelosi was also on the vocal death-threat list of his mob.

The White House issued condolences to the families of those who died in the Capitol that day, not Trump. Mike Pence also sent his condolences to the families.

If it comes down to the wire and the Republicans have people in place to falsify the results of State elections does the country have the tools to prevent that outcome?

Would it be martial law until such time as the elections can be guaranteed ,with politicians who are not behind new election security laws barred from running until such time as free and fair elections (and transfers of power) are secure?(maybe international observers this time)

If the next election is stolen by the kind of methods that are now being shown up in the Jan6 hearings how long would it be before democracy returns to the States?

Time to lock him up along with his buddies?

Ref the testimony given yesterday about Trump's behaviour in the vehicle taking him away from the stage after his speech to what he defined as his peace rally, it's been mentioned that it was an SUV and also the Beast. There seems to be kickback from within the Secret Service about his behaviour. I can only hope that it, like most modern vehicles, has look cameras fitted inside it for standard legal reasons and maybe for security purposes as well because of whom it carries.

Ditto, according to her testimony, twice told by Meadows, with mention of the OTR [off the record] change to the original planned and issued route instruction to the driver of the vehicle. I understood from the testimony, the original route instruction would have been made known to those who needed to know it to ensure the safety of its passenger at all times and the OTR instruction was NOT made known as widely.