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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    But "expected" is still not "must", and because there are no covid laws in place, there are no legal consequences if you decide to ignore "expected" or "should".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Paul Reid is stepping away - major brain drain in the HSE. It’s not a good look following a pandemic that all major parties involved in pushing the policies of lockdowns, masks and endless booster vaccines are all abandoning ship. To quote Shakespeare, Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    A brain drain?! If he was replaced by a chicken would anybody actually notice?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Brain drain? The lad who's a former "cable technician" with Eircom? Basically a hatchet man insider brought in to gut the health service. Good riddance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    I disagree. It’s a job nobody wants. The HSE isn’t fit for purpose & seems in an even bigger shambles since Covid. They seem to want to cancel important testing and procedures in hospitals at the first sniff of Covid waves & ‘hospital cases’ half of whom don’t even know they have it, absolutely ridiculous.

    Paul Reid was an outsider who was recruited in to try and improve it. He became a mouthpiece for pushing the Covid agenda and endless vaccines & boosters which I didn’t agree with. The worst scenario coming is an internal appointment, of someone who’s worked the HSE system and it’s their job for life. They will have no interest in reform or improvement or for their cronies either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Yes, nobody wants a job that pays €460K alright.

    From his Wiki:

    "From 2011 to 2014, Reid joined the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform as the chief operating officer. In this role, he had a leading role in the development, implementation and oversight of the government's reform programme across the civil and public service. His big project was to secure a saving of €1 billion in the second round of public service pay cuts, leading to the Haddington Road Agreement, a difficult proposition as ASTI rejected its findings."

    As I said, he was brought in for one reason and one reason only, cuts to the health service. His latest decree before announcing his retirement was to go against the decision of the health minister and downgrade the emergency department in Navan hospital.

    He has been a complete and utter failure in his role. Sláintecare is already dead on arrival. He was like a rabbit caught in headlights with the pandemic. Utterly unqualified for the job, no place running the 6th best funded health service in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Are we getting closer to the peak with BA.5? Hospitalisations down slightly this morning. More discharges than admissions. Fingers crossed anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    I think the media coverage peaked about a week or 10 days ago, when we got the initial "surge" - if you could even call it that. All seems to be gone fairly quiet now again, mercifully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,997 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Every time Paul Reid opened his mouth he came across terribly. It can only be a good thing for the HSE that he's fecking off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭crossman47


    There are no legal consequences but surely you have a moral obligation to avoid, as far as possible, passing what can be a nasty disease onto others.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    covid my hole, I'm not the kind of person you want to be around if you're trying to avoid it.

    No one cared about colds or flus, why should covid be any different... just because it's the "latest thing" perhaps?



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see we’re getting new legislation for mandatory mask wearing ‘just in case’. Slippery slope once the legislation is there..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,118 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    very slippery slope

    the 'just in case' is bs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    A slippery slope indeed, anything to keep the twitchers happy....



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just reading that. Sounds very wishy washy. No imminent decision before the govt go off on there summer hols. Legislating for a future unknown? Are we going to see the pressure on hospital beds in the winter used as an excuse for masks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    This 100%, cover up the fact they havent augmented hospitals



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Scandalous stuff. Why bring it in if you don't intend to use it?

    Pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I wonder if it’s based on this blatant misinformation going around. It affected the lungs moreso on hamsters and mice only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,074 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'I disagree. It’s a job nobody wants.'

    Does it still pay €420,000 per annum?

    I'll take it.

    Do I get a golden parachute severance package if I end up being chased from HSE headquarters by a pitchfork-wielding mob of masked fanatics?



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The mooted law really is worrying. They might say they won’t use it straight away but it would then mean that masks could be mandated under law at any time for any reason, not just an emergency situation.

    The lobby groups (INMO, INTO, ASTI, WHO) will be frothing at the thought of being able to long term influence public policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Ok take it so. Give us your action plan there while you’re at it ;-) The pitchfork by the masks crowd are the least of your concerns - they want you to close hospitals off at the sniff of a few Covid cases and cancel vital tests and procedures, even if 50% are asymptomatic and don’t even know they have it. You’ll have to learn how to play with numbers to make them sound good, cover up health disasters such as missed diagnoses, waiting lists, no space in hospitals to carry out basic care, pretend hospitals are fully staffed & that the HSE is capable of recruiting and retaining nurses and doctors. Also paying out millions settling cases taken to court for all the poor care & practices that’s actually going on in hospitals. Your wing men are Stephen Donnelly, CMO and Robert Watt (they’re totally trustworthy to reform our health service, pinky promise). Good luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Fully agree, it’s almost a threat that it’s there to bring everything back at a whim of the Covid extremists. I’m completely done with this BS.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some of us said back in May 2020 that these restrictions could end up permanent and we were ridiculed and directed to the conspiracy theory forum.

    Here we are 2 years later drafting legislation that will allow them to bring in mandatory masks whenever they feel like it.

    Of course it's only precautionary. Until winter that is. HSE and teachers etc will moan and a week later the masks will be back. Not that they'll actually achieve anything in terms of COVID.

    Then we'll have the nut jobs pushing for further legislation to close down other areas of society whenever it's deemed desirable.


    Have sent off a mail to local TDs today and told them that this legislation will ensure they won't be getting my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You don't seem to understand the concept of 'permanent' so maybe the conspiracy theory forum is the right place for this deliberate disingenuousness.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000



    "Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe has said that legislation will be considered by the Cabinet around when a mask mandate might be needed.

    He said people in Ireland have seen the effectiveness of mask wearing in tackling the rise of Covid-19."

    How about instead he f**ks right off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    The proposed mask mandate is nothing more than political grandstanding at this stage, to appease the likes of the INMO, HSE, etc. These people seem to think that the mask is some sort of panacea, when the statistics have shown us that case numbers will rise and fall regardless of masks.

    Look at last winter for example, when case numbers, hospital numbers and icu numbers were orders of magnitude greater than they are now - we had no mandate then and, guess what, cases fell anyway and we moved on with our lives. Why isn't this fact put to the likes of Donnelly and Donohoe (why is he even commenting on this issue anyway) instead of the media simply cheering them on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Masks are worn most effectively in hospitals (ie proper masks, not taken off) and hygiene is impeccable compared to the general public. Yet there were outbreak after outbreak in hospitals. To try to paint the mask wearing as some sort of effective tool is quite simply ignorant to reality. The virus is just too transmissible and the mask is a symbolic gesture more than it is a successful containment tool.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If we bring in laws with no end date what you call that?

    Would you call it a temporary law?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You're talking about masks as a protective PPP to the wearer. There's lots of evidence for masks as barriers at reducing transmission from infected people - on the masks thread, certainly for the earlier variants under which it was studied. Omicron may have changed that somewhat but that doesn't invalidate the principle that they can have a role to play in limiting the spread of respiratory viruses and we don't know what variants may emerge.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Ireland 'in middle' of another wave of Covid-19 (rte.ie)

    Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly has asked NIAC to examine if a fourth vaccine should be administered to people aged under 65 years later this year.

    The minister said the National Immunisation Advisory Committee has so far not signalled its views either way on this question.

    He pointed out that there is not yet a common approach internationally to this issue. However, the minister said he feels it is the right time to examine the issue given that Government is now drawing up plans for autumn.

    Shin



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