Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

RTE were saying it should be agreed within 1-2 weeks, whether that is true or not.

Talks will be tough. God knows what the unions will be happy to accept. Forsa will probably bend over easily enough but not sure on some of the others.

New South Wales public servants are currently on strike after receiving an offer of a 3% pay rise (and 0.5% 'likely' next year). They want at least 5.2% to match inflation.

My best guess would be 3% this year and 2% next.

Surely this is the moment to bring the four day working week to the table. I have read some organisations are piloting this.

Yes it doesn't fit the whole of the public & civil service. However, it would allow for them to do a pay % increase for frontline workers Garda Nurses etc. Whilst, for office type workers no increase in salary but one day less to work no commute spend, childcare & same salary for 4 day week.

Further implementation could come into affect for Garda health care etc over time but to get this deal done without a dramatic increase to the civil public service pay costs.

The head of Britain’s largest union has warned of potential strikes this year if the government does not heed its call for inflation-linked wage increases for staff in the NHS and local government.  

https://www.ft.com/content/7266de82-6510-4b10-a655-d57ab21335ec

Public Sector Workers already get increments every year -these increments each year could be 2 to 4%..These increments were given the last 2 or 3 years when inflation was zero......are we on for giving them another 2 to 3% separate to increments because inflation is high?

If so public servants will get rises of 4 to 7 % whilst private sector get 2-4%??

We should all be in the Public Service not to mention the super pension for a minimal 5% contribution again far superior to the private sector worker.

Tell me more about this 2%-4% for private sector?

I don't even work in the public sector and I never understood this type of attitude.

Join the public sector if you feel that way. Plenty of private sector areas these days where gains can be made by jumping from ship to ship, on top of good yearly reviews. Its an employees market.

Also, if public sector pay increases, this trickles to the private sector as people will leave their private sector roles for this pay and private sector will raise rates accordingly to retain staff.

I can assure you, private companies aren't going to voluntarily increase wages across the board. So it's a positive that a rise in public sector wages forces them to. Benefits all.

Post 2013 pensions are pittance from what I understand, and a reason I wouldn't consider a job in the public sector. If you want it, go out and get it, ironically the free market also applies to obtaining public sector jobs.

many of the increments attract no pay rises for 3-4 years at a time

as on poster mentionned when hit top of scale no pay rise for 10 years ...

Its a GUARANTEED defined benefit pension on your salary for a minimal 5% contribution as opposed to private sector who are totally dependent on their own contribution and their employers which will never match a Guaranteed Defined benefit Public Service pension.

Hmmmm. Public servant here lads.

I don't think that solving a cost of living crisis caused by inflation should be solved by throwing public money at the problem. That includes any PS pay rise. It'll be swallowed up quick enough. I think anything that happens needs to be balanced. I'd prefer conditions were reverted (6:57 rather than 7:24 working day) flexi leave reinstated. And also a decent WFH policy. I don't think private or public sector workers should be made go into an office if they can do their job from home.

I'd prefer all of the above than a pay rise. I think the unions have a finite opportunity here to really shape the future of public service in Ireland. The payrise is way to easy to go after.

Well inflation will reduce and the cost of living will come back down.

We might be waiting a long lone time for us to be in a position to shape wfh policies etc.

If we were to get 3 percent straight up that would be around 800 or 900 quid a year for a CO on the top of the scale?? That's after tax.

Take the working conditions folks. It'll work out better for your pocket over paying commuting costs including diesel etc.

Try and get a defined benefit pension privately and you'll see how much of a gold plated pension even the watered down PS one is.

Unions getting excited at the chance to pursue huge wage rises is nothing new at all. €250m is the cost for each 1% increase in PS salaries, so some government plans could be knocked on the head. 8% proposed for the private sector is lunacy personified, never mind the inevitable increased cost to consumers. As some have suggested there is a lot more scope in looking at conditions and benefits in conjunction without pay although personally reckon it's unreasonable for anyone to assume that can WFH full time.

Why are the % increases always the same for everyone? Shouldn't it be something like 6% increases up to say 30k, 4% up to 35k, 3% up to 40k etc.

For sure. Id be happy to forgo my pay rise for them to get more and me to get better conditions in terms of WFH and Flexi etc.

employers need to improve terms and conditions anyway or many workers will walk.. it is an employee market in many sectors out there at the moment..

TD pay is subject to the same pay increases/decreases as other public servants.

Ministers pay is not, AFAIK.

time to look for one so, negotiate, accept, reskill, move jobs or be left behind..