How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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Try and get a defined benefit pension privately and you'll see how much of a gold plated pension even the watered down PS one is.
I don't know how people manage on Clerical Officer wages at all. The lower paid need a bigger boost if at all possible.
Unions getting excited at the chance to pursue huge wage rises is nothing new at all. €250m is the cost for each 1% increase in PS salaries, so some government plans could be knocked on the head. 8% proposed for the private sector is lunacy personified, never mind the inevitable increased cost to consumers. As some have suggested there is a lot more scope in looking at conditions and benefits in conjunction without pay although personally reckon it's unreasonable for anyone to assume that can WFH full time.
and most of that 8% will go back to government in paye,usc, prsi, pension levy (Public servants), vat ...
the remnant more than gobbled by rampant inflation...
signifcant pay rises needed now to barely if that keep up with run away living costs .. but something more will be required or we are onto upwards spiral ... costs in this country need to be DRIVEN down...
Inflation may come back down in time (when? a year? two years?) but that's no guarantee that prices will be revised downwards to match.
And in the interim, 800 or 900 quid a year for a CO on the top of the scale? What about those not on the top of the scale?
Flexi / WFH should not be accepted as bargaining tools as part of these negotiations, full stop. Every department is supposed to already have their WFH policy in place or at least 90% of the way there by end of Q2. The accural of flexi leave was the only part of flexi that was suspended due to Covid.
I appreciate the point you're trying to make Gusser09, but I don't need more time off work, or more days WFH then I already have.
I need more money coming into my bank account on pay day.
Are you suggesting that many large private sector businesses don’t have graded salaries?
Why are the % increases always the same for everyone? Shouldn't it be something like 6% increases up to say 30k, 4% up to 35k, 3% up to 40k etc.
They have differentiated for the last few changes, eg 1% or €500, whichever is greater, which favoured the lower paid.
The higher paid were the last to have their final restorations, as some waves only applied under 30K, or under 60K.
For sure. Id be happy to forgo my pay rise for them to get more and me to get better conditions in terms of WFH and Flexi etc.
Hrs are reinstated , flexi is back, 40% more attendance. I need more money so im.not aggreeing with this
employers need to improve terms and conditions anyway or many workers will walk.. it is an employee market in many sectors out there at the moment..
Are politicians negotiating their own pay? I.e does this agreement apply to politicians too?
I can see a bit of "outside the box" solutions. Hour less a week or something..
They can't give too big a pay rise or else the tax payer will not be happy.
The Irish government never lead with anything so they'll copy other countries. What are other countries doing?
TD pay is subject to the same pay increases/decreases as other public servants.
Ministers pay is not, AFAIK.
Civil and public servants are tax payers too.
I got no pay rise in the private sector
A lot i know have though, maybe get a new job or join the public?
I think you could be right. Employer raised prices for customers to vover extra costs but no raises for staff.
6% pay rise but then through attrition I.e not filling vacancies from retirement/resignation etch cut the overall salary bill by 6%.
We also need a new wise person’s group to look at all the stupid regulation introduced in last few years e.g. minimum alcohol pricing, recommend reversing the legislation and disbanding the units involved.
time to look for one so, negotiate, accept, reskill, move jobs or be left behind..
say for example someone on 50k gets 1% nominal "rise" in this environment after tax this works out at a generous 20 euro a month net or 250 annual "raise"
between the price of your oil tank refill increasing by 1000+ euro if we are lucky
your car refill say increased (10 euro per week) 500 per year again very conservative
your electic bill say increasing 20 per month est 250 per year
the average worker is conservately down net 1500 euro a year ignoring grocery price rises and all the other deaths by a thousand cuts out there ..
meanwhile businesses are piling on the price increases with zero to feck all rise in wage bill - many workers are working even harder than ever before for nothing extra
its amazing employees are not screaming for pay rises at this stage.. we are far too soft!!
Who do you think should negotiate politicians' pay?
Ireland has lead the way on many innovative policies, such as the smoking ban.
where on earth are you getting this 5% figure you absolute spoofer
id agree with this to an extent but ive also never seen middle/top management leaving for private sector before, not even during the last hammering of our conditions.
those on the new pension will not stick around theyre being poached by the big five like you wouldnt believe.
go ask for one.
best of luck too.
@[Deleted User] when you say they are being poached, what sectors are you talking about? I know from personal experience ICT is one but what other industries are following suit?
Why do you think lower grades should get a higher proportion of the pay rises?
project management, engineering, accountancy and thats only from the remits i see myself in my last few gigs
basically if you've a few good years management experience in a professional stream and on the new pension, you're quite likely underpaid in current market
@HartsHat I'd imagine it's something to do with the disproportionate impact on the cost of living those on lower salaries experience.
Not all PS get the chance to WFH or avail of Flexi, or get the opportunity to work 7 or 7.5 hrs.
So I'll take the payrise thanks.
Not everyone WANTS the opportunity to WFH.
I'll take the payrise too thanks.
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