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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    I had this experience about 4 years ago. My original contract stated I had to give one months notice. The company I worked for at the time wanted employee's about a certain level, which included me, to move to a contract with a three month notice period. To sweeten the deal they were offering between 5 to 7 grand pay raises.

    Myself and a few others opted not to sign. And that was simply that. We remained on our original contracts. When I left six months later I just gave one months notice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep that's how it works. That was a decent sweetener to be fair to them. 3 months is excessive notice in my opinion. People usually 'check out' mentally when they resign.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Interesting:

    “This scheme is based on the ‘voucher follows the person’ approach and will provide three days of hub use per person,” Ms Humphreys said, proving that's it's always possible to over-complicate things when there's a politician involved.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    While checked out some people can have a lot of systems that need them (at least short term) . Hiring can take time or they may want a replacement.


    While a checked out employee is not ideal it is sometimes still worth it for the company to have them there while tasks get transferred over. Even just having them around for troubleshooting while people learn new tasks is handy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Of course yes. And there are some roles where the company will opt to put the person on gardening leave rather than expect them to come in and go thru the motions. Or if the person is going to a competitor.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It's a great sign all the same. I think we will see more and more of these hubs set up now. I think they are a great idea and could work really well in small towns and villages. People will not tolerate commuting to the same extent as before Covid.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    It really is! 242 of them up and running already, with 400 planned. It really helps with the problem of slow broadband rollout in rural Ireland and will hopefully lower unnecessary commutes. Don't need them myself (if for whatever reason I can't WFH I'm only a 10k cycle to the office) but even to have the option of, say, getting an early start on a long weekend is great. Book one of these in Galway or Kerry for a Friday, head down on a Thursday evening, get an early start and a sandwich at the desk, and start the long weekend already there at 4pm on a Friday!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,408 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    or even where someone's home environment is unsuitable for wfh.



  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This will be the main reason for wfh hubs for many workers.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Or even just a change of scenery for people who are either too far from the office to commute or work in companies that are fully remote and don't have an office. I can see the appeal of getting out of the house into a hub like that on occasion for some people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭doc22


    I'll go the opposite and say the hubs will be a damp squib. If they were such a great success they wouldn't be giving days away free. Travel to office will cost less in most cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    /facepalm.

    What? How will "travel to office cost less in most cases", would you say? What's your data set? Your use case?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonyvision


    Went to the office today, about 50% capacity and nice to catch up. New guy in the company sat next to me, talked AT ME for 30 minutes! Only way I got him to stop was putting on my headset!. He spent most of his afternoon watching YouTube. I know his team, they are flat out busy but not this guy. May aswell stayed at home in bed at least I would have gotten my work done.

    Won't be back into the office until July or maybe August for my 1 day. Looking forward to working from my home office, biggest distraction is the dog every few hours looking to pee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,716 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Overcomplicate?

    Everyone who signs up at https://connectedhubs.ie/ will be able to book three free days at a hub - or one free day at each of three hubs. Or whatever. This is frankly the least complicated way of doing it imaginable. No eligibility criteria, no regional allocations.

    I've signed up: when I take a day's annual leave to work on my own projects, it could be handy to book an office-desk to work form.



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surely the data is dependent on proximity I would have thought. Are there thousands of hubs dotted around the country which are closer than offices?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 920 ✭✭✭doc22


    My point is the majority wouldn't be spending 20-25 euro a day to travel to office(the actual price of the desk).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    The currently pricing does seem too high for the desks to be used on a regularly (e.g. 3 days a week) basis. I think the cost would need to be closer to €10 per day for it to be realistic for someone to avail of them very regularly.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are options in most places for blocking at cheaper rates afaik



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    Fair comment. The big one here in Galway is 30 a day but 240 per month so 12 per day all in. I can see some employers paying this or at least subsidising it.

    My new job is in Dublin and fully remote bar a day or so per month. These hubs are perfect for me as a way to get out of the house and have some form of socialising. It is not a cheap option though, granted.

    I am all for working from home and have been doing it since the start of the pandemic but I can also understand the employers view. "So he wants to work remotely but also wants us to pay for a coworking space?" It just gets very messy when you have many groups of employees with different arrangements. That being said, I am never going back to a non remote job again :)



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That being said, I am never going back to a non remote job again

    Same, will happily move jobs to keep remote. I don't intend on being office based for the rest of my career



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,716 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You are mixing up cost and price.

    There is no way that anyone will be able to provide a secure building, heat, light, water/sewerage, electricity, furniture and WiFi for only €10 per day.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    €200 a month for a dedicated desk here in the Sligo hub. So, yes, €10 a day is the price for a regular user. €16 a day if booking 10 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Take your point, it would surely depend on the size of the facility also.

    But agreed, my point is in relation to the price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    And another example further up the page of a bulk purchase costing €12/day. So yeah, a tenner/day is not only possible, it's being done.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    No, there aren't thousands of hubs, right now there's over 250, which will rise to 400.

    Are there thousands of people living in Naas, Sallins, Newbridge, Wicklow, Dundalk, Balbriggan, Moate, Athlone, and Tipperary who could avail of a hub instead of taking two hours a day commuting to Dublin? Yes. Two hours of my time is worth a hell of a lot more than the €10 to €25 use of a hub will cost, and that's before you add in transport costs to a city and back.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,139 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    €10 a day is too much for most people. I would feel that in rural areas in particular there is scope to have remote work facilities as an adjunct to businesses. My son has opened a cafe with a separate area for remote work and I think this is the kind of thing that will work. The space wasn't used anyway, and now typically you 5-6 people a day working there paying €4 each for a desk, and they'd typically spend €7-€10 a day in the cafe. It's a few hundred euro a week he wouldn't have and it does give a bit more vibrancy to the cafe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Young_gunner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,139 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Unfortunately the country isn't set up for remote working at all, but it'll have to catch up.

    Until a couple of years ago hundreds of thousands of people got most of their personal interaction at work. That wasn't a good situation of course, but now many people find that hard to replace. The State could take a role in this as well, but I think it's hard to deal with. People need to be encouraged to join clubs, have social events etc. It is very important and really people's mental health could decline if they aren't proactive about replacing the social contact they once had at work.

    Many other things are going to change also, rural areas are being revitalised, which is obviously good, but there will be new pressures in those areas. In North and West Clare local people are finding it particularly hard to get houses, and the fact that more highly paid remote workers are moving in is a major factor, which is going to be a permanent feature of the market now.

    On the other hand the pull factors that drew people to the cities are unlikely to ever be as strong again. The more highly paid jobs can now be done anywhere. I would say urban areas are inevitably going to face a degree of decline in the next 10 years.

    IMO remote work is definitely positive for society, but there are a number of challenges that didn't exist at the start of 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    I look forward to you going to use one and seeing that remote workers are actually, y'know, working, and not sitting there looking at YouTube or facebook all day! Light may finally dawn!

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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Value to you wasn’t the question you asked though, and there are probably hundreds of thousands who live closer to their offices than the 250 hubs. So proximity is the important data, and the answer to the question you asked.



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