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Sub 5 minute mile

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Doesn't bode well for my brain size though 😂


    It's a lot more popular nationally than I realised. Looking forward to reading some other folks race experience. I saw Jebus popped up from Cork too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    It's gas we are all on here chatting etc but I honestly wouldn't have a clue who's who in real life🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    What a last km! Savage stuff. I agree with the others, you are not giving yourself enough credit. Feeling like you're about to pass out sounds like racing a 5k the right way - plus some people are better at hiding the pain than others so you don't know who is redlining sometimes! You've a serious capacity for pain.. Congrats! Look forward to hearing about your sub 16 by JB later in the year 😋🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Sub 16? 🤔

    Nope

    🤢


    The last km looked to be net -7m. I'd say that helped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    What a fantastic performance - that last KM is something to behold - top marks!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    You are flying, great to see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    16 - 22 May - 23 miles

    With running the 5k race on the Tuesday I'd grand plans to hold steady at 30 MPW. Didn't happen though.

    Tuesday - Bob & Mary 5 km with warm-up and very short cool down - 9.7 km total

    Wednesday - Really expected to not be fit to put one leg in front of the other but wasn't feeling too bad. An easy 6.3 km in 32 minutes

    Thursday - Easy 8 km in 36 minutes. Weekend was going to be taken up with communion stuff so couldn't miss a weekday. Out for a lunchtime run while in the office

    Friday - 4x(2km T w/ 2 min rest) - [3:38,3:39; 3:38,3:44; 3:44,3:40; 3:41,3:38]. Little leggy on the last rep but finished up only to wake up with a head cold on Saturday which is still lingering.

    Saturday/Sunday - off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    23-29 May- 31 Miles

    Definitely a little run down last week so I took it handy for the most part and just focussed on getting some easy mileage in.

    • Monday - 6.1 km Easy in 30 minutes
    • Tuesday - 8 km easy in 38 minutes
    • Thursday - 10 km easy in 41 minutes
    • Friday - 8 km easy in 36 minutes
    • Saturday - Chanced a 5 k Tempo here. Went out in 3:41/km pace and held it comfortably enough before picking it up a little on the last. 18:15. 3:43/km would be my 10 mile pace I think so that's usually what I aim for as a minimum for Tempo stuff and this came in at 3:38/km. So it was maybe a little quick but didn't think it was silly fast especially after an easy week up to that point.
    • Sunday - 12.5 km in 54 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    30 May - 05 June - 33.5 Miles

    • Monday - Intervals 12x400 w/ 60s jog. I was planning some mile paced reps in reality but didn't feel I had it back in the legs just yet so settled for Interval paced reps with a shorter recovery jog. Average pace for these was 3:15/km so it was a decent pace all the same.
    • Tuesday - 6.6 km in 33 mins
    • Wednesday - 10 miles 75 minutes
    • Thursday -40 minutes with 4 x 200m Fast with 1 min recovery. Got my first pair of full carbon plated shoes (Asics Metaracers) in the post and was mad to try them out so ran around 7 kms easy before throwing in a few fast 200s to see how they felt. Running starts I hit 30, 29, 30, 28. I'd love to think that 28 is accurate and actually achievable more consistently. We'll see. Going to be starting to focus a bit more on speed again over the next few weeks.
    • Friday - 5.5 km in 25 minutes. This was my 9th straight day running. Probably my longest streak ever after I had a few 7s before. I knew I'd be missing a couple of days over the bank holiday so was cramming a little.
    • Saturday - 4x500R, 4x300FR - Right a chance to properly break in my new shoes... Nope. I'd befriended a local dog the day before who seemed to be very nervous of people but I had persevered and won his trust. Much to the delight of my daughter. Unfortunately this worked against me the following day as I never made it out of the lane I started on. The infatuated chap happily followed me the mile all the way to the main road. I waited for quiet to see if he would leave it at that but no he skips out and looks like he's a dead cert for a clip so p***ed off I head back down the lane again where I do the session on a slightly more undulating surface than I wanted. The first 500 was cautious in 1:36 before I open up a bit more for the next 3. 1:26 for the rest. The 300s were okay too 46, 47, 46, 46. On the last I tried to concentrate on not going out too fast and speeding up for the last 150. At least I thought I could speed up. Despite not clocking it any faster than the previous 3 reps, what I did manage to achieve was a flat pace curve for the full 300, which was in contrast to the previous 3 decelerations. 8 kms in total with the dog covering every one of them plus change as he went to quench his thirst during my recoveries.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,825 ✭✭✭IvoryTower


    That dog is in serious shape

    Carbon shoes are glorious, I wear them almost all the time now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    06 -12 June - 30 Miles

    Bit of unstructured running last week. Planned to run the Braveheart 5k trail race on the Friday and kind of prioritised hitting my mileage over getting a couple of sessions into the week.

    • Tuesday - 11.5 km in 53 minutes. Enjoyed the run and supplemented my start to the week with a short blast of weights (a rare Tuesday in the office). As mentioned, trying to strengthen myself up a little more over the next few weeks to improve my speed a little if I can. No plan as such but I'll include some weighted squats which I did for the first time in a few years.
    • Wednesday - Rest. Unsurprisingly my legs were dead the day after so with an eye no the race Friday I just took the day off.
    • Thursday -9 km in 45 minutes. A bit longer than a normal shakeout but again the week's focus was the one race and trying to hit my mileage target.
    • Friday - Braveheart 5km Trail Race. 4th place in 17:31. A solid run enough run on a tricky evening. I'll throw up a quick report shortly.
    • Saturday - 5 km easy on grass.
    • Sunday - 1 hour run w/ 6x 200m to finish. Legs were fairly tired but I willed myself to do the 200s at the end. Eased myself in starting at around mile pace and worked my way up to a little quicker than 800 pace before running faster again on the last one. 13.4 km total.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Braveheart 5 km Trail Race

    It's called a trail race but in reality it's mixture of grass and maybe 70% path. It's a challenging course though with lots of hills, humps and hollows and not for PB chasing. My plan was to improve on my placing from 2019 when I ran my first ever 5 km race here. I came 29th in 18:45. The big difference this year was that it wasn't part of the Kia race series so when I realised this I assumed I'd naturally place higher this time round and should certainly run a bit faster. Just over 400 lined up this year versus maybe 7-800 the last time out.

    Pre-race

    Well it certainly was a windy day with intermittent showers but Trim missed the worst of the showers I think on the day. I made my way to the Porchfields and chatted to a few clubmates who were volunteering. The clubs best senior runner was wearing a high-vis too which got me thinking, maybe I might be leading the club home today. Off for the warm-up and I'm not gone 200 m before I spot Peter Somba in full tracksuit and barely not a bead of sweat on him trotting up the hill in the opposite direction. Okay, I was never dreaming of winning the race anyway but that doesn't bode well for who else might be lining up I thought. Another club stalwart was running too who I wasn't sure I'd finish ahead of but deployed my usual tactic of deciding to follow him for the first couple of km and see where that left me.

    So the race plan was simple. I wasn't chasing a PB so wouldn't be looking at the watch and I was going to race the race as it unfolded. I made my way down the hill to the start line in the field where people seemed to be more interested in getting a place towards the back. Because I was last to arrive and from the front I'd loads of room right on the the front row which wasn't my intention but that's where I started.


    Race

    1st km - 3:24

    The start is a 100 m uphill on grass before a 90 degree bend to the right. I'd the inside line but allowed plenty of people to pass me around the outside. We carried across the brow of hill before turning downhill and back onto a path where I spot Sean my pacer. So I begin to work up towards him slowly. As we're exiting the first field, maybe around 700m in I do a quick headcount and try to assess who's around me. 10th place with Somba already heading out of the field. Pursued by a Cork runner and a blue vested chap. These 3 are starting to gap the rest of us. In my head I think the two non-Somba runners might be going out a little too fast and the field might reel them in. Turned out to be an in-correct assumption.

    2nd km - 3:30

    Through the second field which is all downhill but into the wind. I tuck into the back of the chase group as we shortly exit under a bridge before turning back uphill immediately with the wind now on our back. This is the first place I work a little as I follow Sean. A couple of runners fall away heading up. By the time we're at the top of this field I'm in around 7th place.

    3rd km - 3:23

    Sean seems to be slowing slightly so I run up beside him for a while and then in front as I focus on the next two runners in front. He doesn't commit to following me as I move on a bit. We turn back downhill again eventually and into the wind for what everyone said was the toughest section of the course. Effectively 800 m straight of riverside running directly into the teeth of the wind. I disagreed on finding this the hardest part of the run. I was still feeling okay at this point as one of the two runners (Mullingar) makes a move. So we end up dropping a young fella here who obviously found the wind a shock to the system. I follow Mullingar along the river before finding his pace slowing too. Do I sit behind and let him shield me from the wind? 3rd place is miles ahead so I won't be closing any gap to him so shelter. Eventually though I bit the bullet and after running alongside try to move on and am now in 4th place.

    4th km - 3:28

    Still into the wind along the river. After I made my move I don't want to be of assistance to Mullingar so make sure to put a bit of a gap on him. Spinning the legs a little just before going back under the bridge and back uphill again. By the time the river run ended though I was starting to feel it and I wondered if I'd anything left in reserve.

    5th km - 3:31

    Turns out I didn't. I was struggling big time all the way through this km, naturally where the biggest crowd of onlookers were and there was plenty of support for Trim. To be honest this is what got my through it as the gap to Mullingar never grew from when we entered the last field. I stepped off the path onto the grass again with around 600 m to go and my legs nearly buckled with the shock. It was here of course where the photographer was stationed 😅. For the next half km it started downhill on grass before a 180 back uphill again to the finish line. I looked over my shoulder a few times here and cussed Mullingar for not leaving me alone to finish the race in peace. For a guy who didn't know the course he finished quite strongly. I was hoping he'd get a similar if not worse shock than me over the last km. I managed to hold on anyway and finish 7 seconds ahead of him and around 30 second behind 3rd place. You can only see the clock for the last 20 m but I wasn't concerned about the time, only wanting to do enough to hold my spot so let it tick past 17:30 without mustering any sort of a kick.

    Time: 17:31. That was a different kind of tough to my 16:31 from a month ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    13 -19 June - 30 Miles

    • Monday - 6 km easy. Legs felt okay after the previous days long run and fast 200s.
    • Tuesday - Off. Too busy a day to get a run in.
    • Wednesday - 2 Miles Tempo, 10x400 Intervals, 2 Miles Tempo. I'd been lacking in Tempo work the last while but at the same time wanted to keep cracking at faster paced stuff. Maybe I'd see if I could do a hybrid type run. Onto google to see if such workouts existed. Of course they did and I chose one that looked "fun" but doable. The instructions were to run the first mile tempo the slowest, the intervals at 5k pace (I chose 10 intervals instead of the 12 listed) and then have enough left that the final 2 mile Tempo can be run a little quicker than the first Tempo. I enjoyed the challenge of this as something new and did the first 2 miles in 12:01. 2 minutes jog before starting the Intervals. The 400s, over an undulating route clocked in from 75-79s with one 80s in there too. The key to the workout I'd read was to be able to finish it so I made sure I did with the last 2 miles in 11:40. I felt good for the 1st of the last 2 mile Tempo but really started to feel the fatigue from the earlier efforts as the second mile dragged on. 200m felt like 400m as I willed the distance to disappear quicker to no avail. My watch went do-lally on the home stretch where it looks like I did it in 40s. I doubt it but I was definitely reaching big time to close it out. Delighted I managed to complete it and successfully run the second 2 miles faster than the first (11:40 V 12:01) but it was hard earned. I'll have to be more disciplined with the earlier paces when I try similar in the future.
    • Thursday - 5 km easy on grass
    • Friday - Planned Reps (2x600), Fast Reps (3x400). Actual Reps (2x600), Fast Reps (2x400). Very tight for time here but I wanted to get this in before the weekend as I didn't want to be running any session with a hangover. Wore my fancy Metaracers for these. 600s were in 1:50 and 1:46. The first one was a little sluggish but got me warmed up well. While the 400s we both 62s. I'd run out of time to do a 3rd 400 but truth be told I was all shapes and no form on the second 400. I was not fit to run another at that clip. Two days after a big big effort on Wednesday too I was more than happy with what I got out of this.
    • Sunday - 10 km easy early in the morning before heading to Croker for Cavan V Sligo.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    20 -26 June - 42 Miles

    Never thought I'd write 40+ miles for a week. I'm slightly behind the mileage I'd accumulated at this stage last year to trying to catch up a little but part of that 40+ was accidental as I'll explain.

    I also hit 10 days consecutive running last week too, which was a first. I'm a fan of taking days off so don't plan on building massive run streaks for now anyway.

    • Monday - 8 km w/ 4x150 Fast to finish up. They say you can't expect to be able to run fast, if you don't try and run fast. So depending on how I feel on easy runs during a week I intend to finish one of them with 100, 150 or 200 m sprints (the length will depend on how I'm feeling), as opposed to strides..
    • Tuesday - Intervals - 4x(1,200m) w/ 3 min jog. Ran these in 4:01, 4:00, 3:59 and 3:58. Felt okay-ish. Dinner too close beforehand didn't help. Supposed to be between 2-5k pace but settled on a couple of seconds slower than 5k pace.
    • Wednesday - 15 km easy in 1hr 15
    • Thursday - 5 km easy in my hastily bought Saucony shoes. I've never worn anything close to them in terms of height. Trust me to read the reviews after buying them noting the only place they fall short apparently was in lateral stability. I definitely found that when walking around the house in them and worried about my ankles. But I needn't have worried once up and running. They were great and felt really really soft underfoot and light.
    • Friday - 2x(2x400FR), 3min between Reps, 6 minutes between sets. Another pulled from the Internet. Usually I do a mixture of mile paced reps (R) and 800 paced reps (FR). This one, aimed at 800metre runners, was one I liked the look of. Run the 400s at target 800 pace in your early to mid season with the 5-6 minute recovery between sets. Then repeat the workout later in the mid to late season with only 3 minutes between sets. Tried to consider myself mid season and picked 6 minute recovery hoping that it'd allow me to push the pace a little more while still being able to complete the workout. The first two were in 61.9 and 62.4 with the routes being the reverse of the each other. The first rep benefitted with a wind assisted final 150m while the second had the headwind for the first 150. I revered the order for the last two running 63.6 initially, which annoyed me a little. As I recovered I thought to myself wouldn't it be great to run sub 60 on the last to make up for it. But snapping out of it I figured not a chance with the legs starting to tire. Last rep I planned to started evenly paced and not fully attack it until I got the wind on my back for the last 150. In reality, attacking meant my pace didn't wilt. Stopped the watch to see 57.6. I couldn't believe it and still don't. Whatever the error was on the last rep (surely not more than 4 seconds??) I still took it as a good indication of potential there for a decent 800. Mitigating factors - It was not a track, the wind and I was wearing my Metaracers.
    • Sunday - 21 km easy - 1 hr 35. Early morning start again. With the way the weather was I picked a route that looked to be just over 15 km that would be relatively sheltered from the wind on the way out and then have the wind behind me mostly on the return. Listening to a Blindboy podcast (Keith Duffy interview) as I'd used up all my Sports ones for the week. It obviously left blind as the boy himself as I missed my planned turn. It never dawned on me but I was conscious of my distance increasing past 9km with no sign of the road I was supposed to be running back on. My pace also increased notably here as I didn't know when I might hit the road and start heading for home. Mercifully I got there at 11 km, at which point I was almost in Summerhill. No harm done really as I rounded the week off with record mileage 😁

    The rough plan for the next couple of months. An 800 TT . And an 800 race at the Dublin Graded meet hopefully. Not sure what I could run at the moment but hopefully the TT will give me a good indicator. My 2022 target was to have a bite at running a 2:05. I've consciously been adding speed work back in the last few weeks with no structured plan, but also being conscious not to overload myself. The National Masters is August and I would love to run it. I'm hoping my training doesn't fall apart during the summer months with the kids home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    27 June - 03 July - 31 Miles

    On top of the weekly mileage record the previous week, last week I set a monthly record too. 143 miles for June. I wasn't sure how the extra longer mileage would effect me in the following week so was interested to find out.

    • Monday - 8 km w/ 4x100 Fast to finish up. Wasn't too bad today but kept the sprints at the end to a minimum. Only averaged 15s for them so probably more tired than I realised.
    • Tuesday - Intervals - 10x(60on, 40off). Decided to play it sensible and reigned in the volume here a little and the rep duration. I unintentionally ended up progressing the reps as a I started with 3:15 pace but a couple at the end were under 3:00. At the end I felt I maybe should have run them a bit more disciplined but 60s around 3:10 is a breeze compared to a target 3:20 pace for a full 1,200 which I did last week.
    • Wednesday - Rest. Planned 800 TT for Friday come rain or shine...
    • Thursday - 11 km in 48 minutes. Averaged 4:23 pace. Ran this before work Wednesday morning but probably 20 minutes later starting than planned. The route was set so bit quicker towards the end as I needed to get into the office on time.
    • Friday - 800 m TT - 2:10.6. Rain it was with a slight breeze after what had started out as a mostly dry day. The caretaker let me move the barriers out so I walked the track before starting kicking all the loose stones off that had found their way into lane 1. Warmup done with 4x100s at slightly quicker than target 800 pace. What was target? Not being sure but I figured a 62s first lap. Just about to start and the rain and wind got that bit heavier so I stood in a dugout for another couple of minutes. "I'm definitely doing this regardless". Off I set, fiddling with my watch a bit too much at the start I snap out of it and work my arms to try and get up to pace. Feeling relaxed but not spritely as I come up on 200 m. Around the last bend and into the cross wind. Not nice but I hold it steady. Coming towards the first lap I start to get the old metallic taste (too early for that I think). I glance at the watch and see 57s so figure I'm around 61 maybe crossing. Hit the lap split button as I cross. By 500m I'm into the pit of pain and consider pulling the plug at 600m, which would still be a good workout. Apart from looking at the time as I neared the first lap I haven't been watching my pace at all and felt no urge to do so but could really find the deceleration kicking in on the back straight but decide I'd see out the last 200m. Into the crosswind again on the final bend. "Survive and then kick". I try and kick with 100 m to go. There's not much of a kick but I do speed up a little. Crossing and stopping the watch at 2:10. Not happy. Splits were 62.1 and 68.5. I ran a quicker final lap at the end of my 1,500 race a couple of months back. I actually hit my first lap target but I felt for the effort that went it it might have been closer to 60-61. Particularly displeased with the last lap but that's all I had today. Simple as that. I'll cut myself a little slack. Record mileage the week before. No significant easing off during the week (11 km run the day before) and the weather. Edit to add: I forgot, I also did a small session of weights around 3 hours before the TT. It was only upper body stuff but perhaps that would have had a fatiguing factor too. Might as well knobble my effort that bit more 😂
    • Saturday - 4.3 km easy recovery
    • Sunday - 8x(1km T w/ 1min jog). The legs felt surprisingly fresh here. Only real time the effort was particularly high was on the 6th rep into the wind and up a slope. Splits averaged in the 3:30s.


    Hoping to run the Dublin Graded 800m on Wednesday evening and hopefully someone can drag me around to a quicker time than last Friday 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Dublin Graded B - 800 m

    I had noted @Sacksian had run a B graded race a few weeks back. The pace of that race would have likely had me in dead last but still I took the gamble on the B grade too instead of C hoping I'd get dragged around and hang on for a bit at least. That was the plan. Also wondered if I might get the chance to meet the man himself.

    So five days after my TT I was out for an 800 m race running every day in the interim, including a perceived easy tempo session on the Sunday. I misjudged the tempo effort a little as my legs were tired right up until race day but I was happy I'd given myself enough recovery to do myself justice on the day.

    Another windy day unfortunately and I spent the preceding hours watching the forecast hoping it would abate but it stayed fairly consistent. I had an early dinner (4pm) which I thought gave me enough digestive time before the race but was still feeling a little full as I arrived in Tallaght. Parked up 45 minutes before the scheduled race time and got my number before noting that things were running 10 minutes ahead of schedule. Drat less time to change and warm up. Then I lost my keys, which I'd left in my tracksuit bottoms in the boot of my car, which wasted another 10 minutes of looking and relooking around the car. None of this really bothered me too much though. I was going to race. Managed a mile warm up and some pickups before jumping onto the track just as we were called to the start line. They had to wait for me to change into my spikes 😐️ Made my way to the start to find I was in lane 8. Not ideal I thought as I don't know where we're supposed to break. I figure its around the first bend though.

    Lap 1 - I take my marks and wait for the gun to go. I hear a faint sound and think "wait is that the gun". The guy in lane 7 is moving towards me. "Yep. Need to go". I wanted to take my place to the back of the field anyway so happily took off at a saunter but am side by side with lane 7 guy. I start my break across from lane 8 and step in on him a little before realising I was breaking too soon. "Oh ****. Sorry" I say and step back out a bit before noticing the little hemispheres on the track. I break across again taking my place at the back of the pack. There's one guy behind me somehow. I'm happy to sit behind everyone as we come around into the home straight and into the headwind. Crossing the line I feel I'm holding my own. I heard a shout for the front runner that he's 61 seconds. Great I think I certainly haven't overcooked my start. Lap 1 split - 63.2 seconds

    Lap 2 - The pack starts to stretch a little and I move up a place with 300 to go. Starting to breathe heavily now but not falling apart. At 200 to go I go past another and we're into the wind up for the finish line. Into the home straight and I kick with the rest of them but don't manage to catch anyone else. Still fairly spent though crossing the line as I double over to recover. Glance at my watch and see 2:08.9 and am happy enough. Lap 2 split - 65.8.

    I think I must have been around 2:08 or possibly even quicker as I chat to a guy from Rathfarnham who was racing the 3k. I tell him I'm happy with with my outing. A couple of minutes later I see the official result -

    2:10.5, 5th place out of 8.

    Suddenly I wasn't as happy. I was stood thinking I should have wound up my kick a little earlier... or gone out harder... or done something different. But also, it dawned on me eventually that I hadn't accounted for missing the gun going off, which explains the big discrepancy between my watches time and official one.

    Mistake 1 - I overestimated the pace that the main pack would be running and had assumed if I'd just gone with them I'd get a decent time.

    Mistake 2 - Breaking across from my lane too early. I'm sure that'd be a DQ in a championship type race.

    Mistake 3 - Not racing it as a race and trying to beat more people. Kind of a result of mistake 1.

    I'll not use my watch next time I race. I didn't look at it at all throughout but consciously started it, stopped it and hit the split button. I wore it as I wanted to see my splits. Particularly the second lap. After flailing to a 68.5 second lap on my TT I'm happier that I can kick a bit more on the second lap. So a good experience all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Well done DG, it's all a learning experience - not sure how many 800s you've done on the track but it took me a good few to get the hang of everything. Tip - start your watch a good bit early and you can concentrate on the start procedure. Trim the file afterwards to get approx splits. Good race despite your couple of mishaps!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Thanks Murph. It was my second 800 race and first outdoor. Despite the effort needed to race it I've found them both very exciting to be part of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Holidays interrupted training a little but I was expecting that. Got a little less running in. When I got home I counted back 4.5 weeks to the national masters. Made the decision I'd jump start my preparation at the tail end of week 21 of JDs 800m plan and it's prescribed speed session for that week. I feel I've been consistent enough up to this point, both with the weekly mileage and the type of sessions I've been putting in. I'm fairly sure I can handle it. Not planning on injuring myself though so will ease off if I feel the need.

    04 - 10 July - 28 miles

    • Monday - 8.3 kms, easy (42 mins) around a couple of GAA pitches in my bare feet
    • Tuesday - 5 km easy around the big cross in the Phoenix Park. In runners this time
    • Wednesday - 800 m Race. Report above
    • Thursday - 14.16 km in 1 hour Working the slight frustration from the night before I started off easy here on a lovely day but very slowly sped up. My start point was Dunsany where I picked up a mad load of flies from the off that bothered me for well over half of the run. No sign of any cows in the surrounding fields to relieve me of my burden until I passed an unwitting walker going the opposite direction after which they seemed to disappear. A nice downhill km had me clock a sub 4 minute km and I kind of ended up maintaining that pace for a couple of kms before running the 13th in 3:30 just to see what I could manage at the end of the run.
    • Friday - Off
    • Saturday - 8 km Hard - 28:54. I knew a few days rest were incoming so went hard for my last run before heading off.
    • Sunday - Off


    11 - 16 July - 25 miles

    • Monday - Off
    • Tuesday - 11 km Steady with an average pace of 3:56/km. Beautiful scenery and weather, this was over quite a hilly route. Covered 13 km in total.
    • Wednesday - Off
    • Thursday - 6 km easy
    • Friday - Off
    • Saturday - 1x600FR, 2x400FR, 4x200R. The start of my 4.5 week plan. I'd had an easy enough week up to this point. This was certainly tough and probably that bit tougher from the pace I ran. The recoveries after each were supposed to be jogged but I ended up walking for 1 minute after the 600 before jogging the rest of the 1 km recovery. And then I was properly gassed at the end of the last 400 where I'd to walk again for a minute and a half. 600 in 93 secs is probably my fastest 600 ever though. While the fast 400s were 62 each so I did somehow maintain some consistency. Finished with the 200s in 33-35 secs. They too required effort, unsurprisingly. I was good and baked afterwards. While my training has been solid enough up to now and I have done 600 reps it appears I developed a blindspot for the fast 600 reps. They are a notable absence from anything I've been doing when I look back on my year to date.
    • Sunday - 9.5 km easy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Excellent - nationals will be an excellent test, especially in your relatively youthful category. Are you just entering the one event?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Last year in the M35 and looking at the last few runs M40 actually looks more competitive 😀 Of course there could be some springier chickens just hitting Masters level this year that wouldn't show up on previous runs.

    You gave me slight pause for thought but only for a second. I tend to need at least a couple of days recovery if I go to the well in a race. I hope that'll be the case for this so don't plan on entering another distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Good plan. A good few people double up with the 1500 but I agree, you can really only put it all in to one event. Best of luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Less sleep than normal probably made this week a little tougher than I'd hoped. I really expected I'd find the Tempos easy enough and the Reps hard but it was the other way around.


    18-24 July - 30.5 miles

    Monday - 5.5 km easy. Still a little tired after Saturday's speed session

    Tuesday - 3 x 1mile Tempo, 6x200R. Two tempo sessions down for this week so I chose the one that looked easier to start the week off. Turned out fine although I did start to flag a little on the third. So the 200 Reps required some psyching up and then I accidently only did 5.

    Wednesday - Rest

    Thursday - 6.35 km easy. Planned speed session but had to postpone it as there were road and path works all over the nice new estate I often use for quick stuff. It was meant to be I figured as my hamstring was a little tight I was thinking on the jog up.

    Friday - 1x600FR (600rec), 2x300FR (500rec), 3x200R. Less of a handful than last Saturday's session on account of having two Tempos runs this week. Psychologically I was glad I was closer to a week recovered from the last one all the same. Having postponed the day before, work had brought me into Dublin so I tried to scope out a decent flat section for this that wasn't Chesterfield Avenue before arriving. I thought I had but turned out there was a very slight incline on the section I chose. Naturally I chose to run the 600 with the slope and do the 300s against it to balance things out. I was determined not to over exert myself here and ran a very controlled 600 with probably less effort than Saturday, the slope no doubt helping. Another 93 without killing myself. The 300s were 46 and 47 so again happy with them. When I checked Strava to my surprise I noticed I'd made a segment leaderboard. "AMS Acres 400m". I had a look at the other efforts and noted that all the ones ahead of me were cycled parts from duathlons so I flagged them 😂 and defaulted my way to the top of the pile. I've a few segment crowns but to be honest making one in a hallowed place such as the Phoenix Park made my day. The gentle slope probably means it's not a heavily contested one but I don't mind.

    Saturday - Rest

    Sunday - Long Run with 3 mile Tempo, 8xStrides - 15 km in total. I couldn't have picked a worse route for this, running an unexplored road for the first time. After the first half a mile I was okay but the next 2.5 which were almost completely into a gusty wind finishing with exactly a 1 mile long drag directly into the wind and uphill. It looks to be only about a 20 m climb for that section but it might as well have been Everest. I stubbornly kept the head down and plugged away to end it quicker when in reality I probably should have let myself be slowed by the terrain. Averaged 5:55 for the miles but man that last one had me questioning WTF am I doing here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Hasn't been an easy couple of weeks. I've come down with the little bit of dizziness again. I'm convinced after all these years it's fatigue related, specifically not going to bed when I'm feeling zonked and ploughing on for several more hours. But it's not easy to just hit the hay at 7pm when there's a 1/4 dozen kids still trooping around and jobs to do. I can run through it and have in the past. The main thing I do avoid is any sort weights or strength work and hope that it passes.


    25-31 July - 31.5 miles

    • Monday - 5 km easy
    • Tuesday - 5x1km T w/ 1 min jog, 6x200R. Easier to manage than the 3 miles solid at T effort.
    • Wednesday - 6 km easy
    • Thursday - 8x200FR w/ 200 jog. I was looking forward to this workout as it looked very manageable and even fun. 32-33 seconds probably should be the target pace here but I kind of wanted to test a little faster than 800 pace. 30,30,31,31,30,30,30,29 with the hard work starting after the 4th. I didn't really enjoy it as much as I'd hope and afterward the thought occurred to me that this was a 4th session in 7 days. Last week had 3 Q sessions, which was fine but with the way I'd moved days around I'd done (Friday-Speed, Sunday-Tempo, Tuesday-Tempo, Thursday-Speed).
    • Friday - 10.8 km easy
    • Saturday - Rest
    • Sunday - 7km at 7 am before heading west for a couple of days.


    01-07 August- 32.5 miles

    • Monday - Planned 2x200FR, 2x600FR, 4x200R. Actual 2x200FR, 2x580FR. With the way the week was planned out I knew this would be my best chance over the next few days to get the weeks speed session in. I played a bit of soccer with the kids and then hit the track that went around the pitch we were on. Clonard county Sligo. A lovely community feature there but I've no idea what a lap of the track was unfortunately. The 200s felt stale with 33 seconds for each. I felt I was running longer on each and was certainly wary of the 600s at this stage. I gave them a crack anyway but pulled out of both. I was starting to flag early and couldn't rely on any speed from my legs. I pulled up with maybe 570-580 metres done. Both in 95 seconds so I was probably drifting to around 2:10 800 pace probably slower if I saw out the final 20 meters of each. Some work done anyway so I didn't beat myself up.
    • Tuesday - Rest
    • Wednesday - 17 km easy in 1hr 21. A lovely run on a pleasant evening.
    • Thursday - 5 km easy in 25:30
    • Friday - 3x(1m T w/ 2 min jog), 6x200R. It's fair to say I haven't enjoyed many of the Tempos this block and this was no different.
    • Saturday - 5 km parkrun with our eldest.
    • Sunday - 8 km easy with 5 sprints (100,150,200,150,100 with 1 minute jog between each). The sprints were to to make up for Monday's no show from my legs but nothing stressful. New tarmac in the business park made the sprints quite enjoyable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    08-14 August - 20 miles

    • Monday – Rest
    • Tuesday - 2x200R, 2x(1mile T w/ 2 min jog), 2x200R – 11 km in total. Work took me up the North where I did my last session around 3 pm on a very hot day. I was wearing my big fat Sauconys for this so the 200s were hard to hit too fast. The times were pretty bang on. For the miles then I started out too fast on both reps but settled into the correct pace which I held okay. Despite the heat, and probably helped that it was only 2 reps, this was the best I felt on any of my recent Tempo efforts. They came in at quite a clippy 5:40 and 5:42.
    • Wednesday – 5.8 km in 29 minutes
    • Thursday – 9.5 km in 44 mins
    • Friday – Rest
    • Saturday – National Masters 800m race. Report to follow… not a good ‘un I'm afraid.
    • Sunday – Off. Not physically tired but quite sleepy by the time the evening came around. I decided to take the evening off despite throwing around ideas of doing a 3 k TT or something to work off my frustration. I still might next week.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    National Masters 800m

    I’d had a pretty good week and felt good Saturday morning. Made my way to Tullamore and was a little inside the stated 45 minute close for registration but there was no issue collecting my number. Out around the sportfields for a 10 minute warm-up and a few pick ups. I was feeling in good nick. Some of the other athletes talked about the womens 800 just after getting under way and I probably should have made my way trackside at that stage but finished my pick-ups. I’d stretch when I got trackside. By the time I went into the stadium and got to the gate I noticed the 800m men lined up and ready to go. “Early? F**k!”. I jump in and talk to the starter who has trouble finding my name as I hastily put on my spikes. Eventually I’m ready to go. No stretching but not a big deal, I’m well warmed up. I think I delayed the start by around 2-3 minutes so apologise to everyone as I made my way over to lane 2. We were off straight away.

    Race

    Lap 1 – I can see everyone in front of me from lane 2 and let it stay that way. So it was a snails pace setting off. Here is where I should have tried to position myself off the front 2-3 athletes. But I’m joined at the back by a Belfast runner in yellow who won the race last year so I figured I was in good company. He squeezed me quite a bit though as I concentrated on holding the inside and to not clip the rail. Glanced at the clock as we went through 400m and saw 72 seconds. No PB today anyway I thought but I feel super relaxed.

    Lap 2 – I’m not really concentrating on the leaders yet, only the one in front of me. I don’t want to start my move on the bend and risk tiring quicker so decide that at the end of the bend I’d go. But the moment I’m about to the guy beside me (Yellow) also goes and so I’ve to check my stride before stepping out to go past a Kerry runner on the back straight. Yellow is motoring now and I follow him. I notice that the leaders are a good 15-20m further ahead but hope that they’ll come back to us. I’m on the heels of a Donore runner. I go around the outside of him on the last bend and am close behind Yellow. On the home straight I’m in 5th and thinking if I catch him and the next guy I'll get 3rd but it's not looking likely. Pushed as hard as I could but didn’t catch either of the guys ahead. I came through the line quite fast and wished for another 50m that weren’t there. 5th it was in 2:12.39.

    Post race

    My tardiness to the line might seemed to pay me back by delaying my exit. Trackside with the athletes after, one of them pulled up the live results from which I was omitted. I debated whether I'd bother going to the officials to get my official time. I knew where I came so could interpolate. Eventually I did and spent over 10 minutes upstairs acting as another heat source to the room in which the sweating officials were busily working away.

    A 60 second final lap was my only consolation here which is very good for me especially as I didn’t really kick properly until 300 m to go. The guy that won I guess was 56-57 seconds. James Ledingham.  His PB is around 1:50. So no way I was catching him once he went but. But. But... I think a bronze definitely was a possibility if I’d run the race better and just been a bit braver right from the start. Not the place to be learning lessons. Inexperience cost me and lack of race practice. I'll cherish that Masters bronze for indoors earlier in the year more now though, when I ran a lot braver.


    It was hard to pick myself up on Sunday and again today. I know the track season is pretty much done so I might have to TT an 800 to try and see if I've improved on last year. Not nice putting in the work and not seeing gains. Google came in handy today though. The Griffith Avenue mile race is being run again this year. I couldn't make the last running of it in 2019 so I'm going to do that and intend to nail sub 4:50 if I can maintain my current fitness level. I'll be pacing myself to go a bit faster than that though. Hopefully low 4:40s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Ran the s**t out of myself in the early part of last week as I dealt with the disappointment of the Masters. It was a target from a way out but luckily I've hit some goals for the year already and will now focus on what I've got left. On I go. The Griffith Avenue Mile is entered anyway so I'll train towards that in just under 4 weeks.


    15-21 August - 30 miles

    • Monday - 3 k Hard - 9:53. In the morning I toyed with the idea of having a full blown TT here but by the late evening when I sauntered out for this I realised I needed a bathroom and, well, wasn't feeling as energetic as I had hoped. Decided I'd aim for sub 10 pace and leave it at 2 k if I needed to before setting off. I didn't have to stop at 2 thankfully but did push hard for this and was very happy with the time afterward.
    • Tuesday - 14.75 km with 2 k Tempo - 1hr 5. I thought I'd timed my departure well for this but no. I realised mid run I could be late to collect the kids from a summer camp so threw in a 2 K tempo around the 11.5 k mark. That save me all of 2 minutes 😅. Went around the Trim 10 mile route for this and got to revisit the horror stretch where I nearly bailed earlier in the year. Actually getting to suss the route out a bit more this time.
    • Wednesday -6 k recovery - 30 mins
    • Thursday - Intervals 12x(400 w/250 jog). Legs were still a little tired after the earlier efforts in the week so went for a pace faster than 10 k but slower than 5 k on the Intervals.
    • Friday - 5 k recovery - 26 mins
    • Saturday - Rest
    • Sunday - 5 k easy - 27 minutes. Would have liked a longer easy run today but this was the only chance I got to get out and brought the two boys who cycled with me for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    22 - 28 August - 30 miles

    • Monday - Off
    • Tuesday - Plan 10x(400 @milePace w/ 60s rec). Actual 8x(400 @nearlymilePace w/ 60s rec).

    Mile fitness tester to see what kind of shape I'm in. 10x70seconds might have suggested I'm in 4:40 shape. I was starting to gas after the 3rd and felt I wasn't going to make the 10 at that stage but wanted to do at least 8. Ended with 8 reps [70,69,70,70,70,70,70,71] so had to be happy with that. A good lung burster anyway on the last couple of reps. I'm somewhere in the 4:40s anyway I hope. Just need to hold it together for the next couple of weeks.

    • Wednesday - 6 km recovery 13.2 km in 1hr 3 minutes w/ 472m elevation gain 😆

    Work took me up the North on a pleasant day. On the way home I wanted to get a recovery run in somewhere but also wanted to check out Slieve Gullion Forest Park as a place to drop in with the kids sometime. Lets just say the excitement got the better of me here.

    And I was off -

    I'll not recount all the details of the run and the imaginary creatures I met along the way (I'll save that for the trilogy.) Suffice to say, it was one of those runs where you're not sure of the distance of the route you're following and have many moments of doubt along the way thinking "maybe I should turn around". But then "maybe I'm already past halfway". I reached one junction where I was having doubts but luckily met a couple of walkers who informed me I was on the right route back to the carpark and that it was only 2 miles further. It's a beautiful spot and I took 0 wrong turns.

    • Thursday - 5 km barefoot proper recovery around a GAA pitch
    • Friday - 8 km - more recovery
    • Saturday - Rest
    • Sunday - 14.5 km Long run with 10 km Steady (in around 39 minutes). My legs were still a little creaky for this but I comfortably covered the 10 k Steady at a decent pace. Nice relaxed breathing throughout the 10 so I knew I got the pace perfect for this.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I passed 1,000 miles for the year during the week 8 days earlier than last year so I'm course to get more mileage in for 2022 if I can keep it up. My weekly mileage has been fairly consistent with the average to date stubbornly staying just below 30 miles per week.


    August 29 - September 04 - 34 miles

    • Monday - 6 k easy
    • Tuesday - 4x600R off 400, 2x200FR. [1:48,1:44,1:43,1:44], [31,29]. Around the hotel at 9:30 in the evening. Building on last weeks 400s with a target of 1:45 for the 600s. The first rep for me often goes a little slower as I get tuned to the pace. I think it's a bit to do with me often not committing too much on the bit of a warm-ups I might do. Felt decent on these though. Pretty sure I passed a deal being done on my last 200 rep. Unfortunately it was my last one so I wouldn't be passing again and have the chance make inquiries.
    • Wednesday - 6.5 k easy
    • Thursday - 10 k easy - Passing though Edenderry I decided to get my run in. Really enjoyed it. finding my way to the Canal spur for the town before heading out along the main canal on grass. Nice to find somewhere new to run if I'm passing that way again.
    • Friday - 5x(1 mile Tempo off 1:30 jog) [5:55, 5:52, 5:56, 5:54, 5:49]. Decent session.
    • Saturday - Off
    • Sunday - 12 km in 1 hr. Late out for this again and I was looking forward to bed for the last 2 kms or so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Managed to stave off what appeared to be a dose halfway through the week thankfully and check in with 30 ish miles. Less than a week until the Griffith Avenue mile now. One more mile paced session this week and then I'm going to ease off on lung bursting efforts for a while apart from maybe one last 800 TT perhaps after next week - simply down to the fact I didn't even run under 2:10 in any of my three races this year. We'll see how the mile goes first though.

    I'll try and maintain mileage and hopefully enjoy a couple of cross country races with the club in the autumn.


    05-11 September - 29.6 miles (grrr)

    • Monday - 5.2 km easy
    • Tuesday - 2x800R (low 1:20s target), 2x400R (70s target), 2x200FR. On my jog out I was debating 3x800 but thought better of it and think it was the right call. Ran the first 800 really controlled without forcing the pace at all. 2:23 was pretty perfect as a session starter. 3 minutes recovery before the second 800. I probably went out a little too brisk here but managed not to slow down too much in the second half for a 2:20. Was definitely glad I was only doing two reps at the end of it. Another 3 minutes before the 400s which were always going to feel easier afterward [69,70]. The 200s were [29,30].
    • Wednesday - 11 km easy. Legs felt fine today.
    • Thursday - 5 km easy. Another easy one but I wasn't quite feeling myself on finishing up. Bed early.
    • Friday - Off. Very hard to get out of the bed today and feeling sleepy and dopey for the rest of it. So I rested..
    • Saturday - Off. Extra day off to be sure to be sure.
    • Sunday - 7x(1.5k Tempo w/ 1:30 jog). Supposed to be 6 reps but I'd lengthened my route a little to chase the magic 30 MPW mark. I felt pretty great at the end of the 6th rep to be honest (even with the paces averaged around 5:50/mile). The 2 days off no doubt helped. And, with a bit more road to work with I threw in a 7th which half way through I kind of regretted as I set off uphill for the remainder of it. Saw it out though but 6 would have been perfect. I was certainly feeling it in the legs in bed that night.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Something happened...

    First, the week that nearly wasn't. That touch of something that was nagging me the previous week came back to bug me again and put the race in question. Cue a bunch of short easy runs for the week.


    12-18 September - 22 miles

    Monday - 6 km recovery. 5:12/km

    Tuesday - 9.2 km easy. 4:45/km. Started to fade towards the end of this. "Don't tell me I'm getting sick."

    Wednesday - Off. There was to be no mile paces (or any) sessions this week I decided.

    Thursday - 5 km easy. 5:10/km. Felt horrible but just wanted to turn the legs without getting the heartrate elevated.

    Friday - 6 km easy. 4:55/km Feeling a bit better but still taking it easy.

    Saturday - 6 km easy again around 9 pm. Again feeling a bit more optimistic. I tried 4x200s at mile pace which felt okay and went home to bed.

    Sunday - Stuck to the bed again in the morning. Well f**k it! We'd decided to make a day of it though and with everyone going for the spin into town I'd double the motivation to drag myself in. Wandered around among Shelbourne and Bohemians supporters near Old Hallows in DCU for a while as we were good and early. I was definitely going to run and, given the day, I was going to enjoy myself regardless of whatever time I might run. I supped on a can of red bull as my wife lectured the kids about the dangers of highly caffeinated sugary drinks. Of course I agreed with her and I was "only taking it as medicine". On reflection, it certainly must have helped.


    Griffith Avenue Mile

    I left the family at the finish line with my bag and used the jog up to the start as my warm-up. I made my way to the second row of the pen which had a fair few more casual runners that had not heard or ignored the starters instructions to leave room for 5:30 runners. It didn't bother me though as it didn't seem to bother anyone else. It was a very relaxed and jovial atmosphere. I spoke to the guy beside me to enquire what he was aiming for. "Just under 5:00 hopefully" came the reply. I said I'd love to nip under 4:50 but under 5 would be fine too given how I was feeling. I said I'd keep an eye out for him to know how I was doing as the watch couldn't be trusted too much for pace on account of all the trees. A couple of runners are introduced - Hiko Tonosa and Michelle Finn that I can remember anyway. A short countdown and we're off.

    I go out quick enough to avoid traffic and the sides of the rails which look like a bit of a trip hazard. I arrive near the front as Hiko and a young DCU runner bound off away from everyone. I settle myself after the initial burst and try and hone in on a pace I feel I can hold. I know the watch can't be trusted too much but hazard a glance to see the quarter mile approaching and around 67 seconds. "Okay dial it back a little bit and settle." There's some strong runners around me as I let 3 ladies and a few lads move ahead a little. But I'm feeling okay and don't think I've overcooked my start. Adreneline is a wonderful thing. This'll be over in a flash and I can get back to feeling crap afterwards. Time to focus.

    Coming up to halfway the runners in front are almost single file and I'm a little isolated around 5-10 metres further back but don't feel the urge to kick onto the back of them. I find a guy sitting right behind me drafting, doing what I think I should have with the main chase group. In fairness he pulls up beside me eventually and says something like "we can catch this guy" as a green vested runner starts to fall off the pack and come back to us. All I could manage was a "yep" as we both wound it up a bit. Another glance at the watch though shows 0.73 miles. Right that's close enough to 400 to go. So I do, leaving my drafter in my wake. I catch and start passing each of the chase group one at a time as someone shouts my name from the crowd. Had no idea who that could have been @Murph_D . Passed a few guys and a couple of ladies. It's exciting to feel so strong here. I start to let myself ease off a little as I near the finish. I don't even look at the clock as I notice there's one more lady in front. I can probably catch her I think so manage one more little kick to pass her a few feet before the line and before she could even respond. Stopped the watch and was absolutely floored by the time...

    4:35.0 (official). Position - 4th. My wife and kids are over at the rail and I'm not even my usual prostrated mess so can talk excitedly with them about my disbelief at the time. They had been instructed to watch out for me at just before 5 minutes. My wife hadn't believed my eldest when he said I was coming but she started recording the finish line anyway.

    We had to hang around for the prizegiving after, which I hadn't planned on and the kids were all well ready to go home by the time the prizes were handed out. Had never received money before for sport. All those years wasted playing GAA 😂. And the lady I passed on the line was Michelle Finn. That absolutely topped it all off. I also kind of ruined a photo of her as a photographer had jumped out in front of me crossing the line to take a snap of the first female finisher. She did break the course record though.


    After thoughts.

    Anyone new would be forgiven for thinking, Given the thread title, "WTF". This is the first time I've run sub 5 in a race. So it's my first official sub 5 mile. I think round a flat track in spikes I'd have to be closer to 4:40 something. Maybe. I don't care really though. This one is going into the memoirs if I haven't bored everyone to death about it by the time I get around to writing them 😁

    The pace chart (FWIW with all the trees) kind of helps tell the story too. I must be a kicker. Stuff you only learn from racing I guess and while the kick didn't land me success in the National Masters 800 I did similar in the Meath 1,500 earlier in the year too to good effect. The 800 training must be paying some dividends which is a relief after not nailing it this year. The feeling of flying at the end and passing folks really beats hanging on at a prescribed pace indefinitely.





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    That is an outstanding performance. Massive congrats,what a scalp too... patiently waiting now for you to add that video 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Absolutely brilliant! I loved reading that, big huge congratulations🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭Lazare


    This is stunning!! A massive congrats to you. What a performance 👏

    Man that last 400 must have felt the sweetest, what a kick!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    That's a brilliant performance - many congrats - I've been neglecting this log, so went back and re-read a good bit of it :)

    Glad that this performance has wiped the memory of the 800 at nationals. (you also mention in that post about running a low 4.40 in the Griffith Mile!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Wow, well done! A contender for performance of the year at our annual awards I'd say 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I did indeed! As Lainey says, I dreamt big. Although 4:30s was probably hallucination territory.

    But I'd no right to expect to run any such time just based off training runs, paces and dreaming. My 1,500 race earlier in the year was a 4:48 equivalent I think. That and a couple of disappointing 800s (which pointed at similar) were the only form I could honestly gauge off.


    After the 800 I put in a good month of mile stuff though. I read an article on the Ingebrigtsens just after the start of it. Again Lainey might know a thing or two about EIM. I didn't go all in on EIM but did avoid any fast intervals for the month (apart from the week after the race before I read the article). I kept up my mile paced reps of 400s one week, 600s the next week and 800s a couple of weeks back. For tempos I made sure that any I did did not exceed 6 minutes in duration so they were all mile tempos for me.

    As well as warning of the dangers of too much one paced aerobic running on the one hand, Lok advocates the need to avoid too many intense interval sessions at or around V02 max, on the other. The Dutchman maintains that the Easy Interval Method allows the athlete to run at a range of aerobically dominant speeds by varying the tempo and adopting a multi-paced ethos, without the acidification of the muscles occurring..


    ...


    Typical sessions undertaken by the three bothers have reportedly included 5 x 6 mins at threshold pace; 10 x 1km at threshold pace and 20 x 400m with 30s recovery

    Ingebrigtsen Intervals | Fast Running


    Now I didn't vary the tempo pace really but that was my month basically. With the exception of last week when I just ran easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,484 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Great stuff, it was great to witness your performance and yeah, great scalp to take on the line! The course profile will have helped of course, but you smashed it by so much that that doesn't come into it really. Great performance, and congrats on the prize. Nothing like an envelope to put a gloss on the day, and I love your line about choosing the wrong sport earlier in your career. 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    "I spoke to the guy beside me to enquire what he was aiming for. "Just under 5:00 hopefully" came the reply. I said I'd love to nip under 4:50 but under 5 would be fine too given how I was feeling. I said I'd keep an eye out for him to know how I was doing as the watch couldn't be trusted too much for pace on account of all the trees. A couple of runners are introduced - Hiko Tonosa and Michelle Finn that I can remember anyway."

    So I was that guy, I'm glad you did not take my advice not to follow Hiko and Michelle 😁

    That was a brilliant run, 4:35 is a super time, equivalent to 4:15 for 1500m !

    I made my target but you were well out of sight - well done



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Always nice to dream big but even better for them to come true🤗



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Ah lovely. That's brilliant. Nice to have sort of met you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Probably going to meander a little bit into the winter now. I'm hoping the NIA Live will be back in December so I can try one more time to put a decent 800 to my name before the end of 2022 but I'm not going to start to training towards it yet anyway. Meath Novice CC is next weekend and unfortunately it doesn't suit. A couple of clubmates thought I'd a chance at winning it too as a lot of stronger runners are no longer eligible having won it before along with the London Marathon being on. Ah well.


    19 - 25 September - 32 miles

    Monday - 6.2 km easy

    Tuesday - Off

    Wednesday - 14.5 km in 1 hour 6. (4:33/km). Set off and was really enjoying this run but needed the bathroom not long after halfway. A ginger second half.

    Thursday - Pyramid - 2,4,6,8,8,6,4,2. Started at just slower than mile pace and then slightly slower with each longer rep. It still was more taxing than I would expected with the 600s probably being the hardest strangely which were at around 5k pace.

    Friday - 5 k easy

    Saturday - 3.5 km of a parkrun and a little bit. Had the two boys with me for this. One took a tumble due to the other fella and wasn't best pleased. We called it a that.

    Sunday - 10 km TT. I wasn't going to call this a TT because I wasn't planning on going all out for this. I decided a pace of 3:35/km would get me to 35:50 and 8 seconds quicker than a TT I did last year. It was breezy which made kms 3,4 and 9 the worst of the lot. On the flip side I was absolutely cruising on 6,7 and felt great where the wind is on your back and you could hear a mouse whisper. I didn't force the pace here on these. Just made sure I was settled before turning into the wind before the end of the 8th and for the full 9th. Worked out fairly consistent split wise when you take account of the wind. [3:34, 3:34, 3:36, 3:41(w), 3:40(w), 3:35, 3:33, 3:35, 3:37(w), 3:18]. Pushed on the last obviously and ended up with a PR for 10k of 35:44. It might have been the overall effort or the final km push but my calves were aching afterward and last night. I did call it a TT in the end (sure what else could it be called?) as I was properly gassed after finishing the last plus my calves certainly suggested there wasn't much more pushing the could have been done during it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Well done on the TT, great time! You are in great shape!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    With all the resurrected logs I've got a dunt to at least see out 2022 here. I'd been pretty good at keeping it going this year up until the last month where my visits were more focussed on following Dublin preparations and reports. I did say I'd meander a while, I guess. I have found it hard to adjust goals after such a massive high for me though and so I slipped back a little but no harm I hope.


    The plan for winter was to try and increase easy mileage run a bit of cross country and then have a stab at an NIA 800m off little targeted training to close the year out. But my mileage actually decreased (usual kids busy life etc etc.) from my nice low base of roughly 30 MPW.


    Was just ramping up again at the end of October (after entering one of the 800s indoors) but managed to curse myself a couple of weeks back by commenting how I've stayed relatively healthy all year just before a stag which resulted in a nice two-day hangover, followed by a cold and then a bug to top it off.


    Missing weeks:

    • 26Sep-02Oct: 25 miles. One 10 mile run and 5 miles steady in here.
    • 03-09 Oct: 25 miles. Looking back I was trying to make up for the lower mileage and forecast lower mileage. Also I knew that I'd be on the road alot the following week too so would be doing even less then. I logged 5 miles steady, another steady run finishing with 3 K T, Intervals session 15x300on, 150off and an 8x1kT w/ 1 min jog.
    • 10-16 Oct: 21.5 miles. Just one session of 9x1kT w/ 1 min jog.
    • 17-23 Oct: 31 miles. Sessions. Intervals 10x400 w/60s jog, 10 mile run Steady finishing @ Tempo pace for the last couple of km.
    • 24-30 Oct: 35 miles. Sessions. 7x1k T w/ 60s jog. Time to wake the legs back up = 4x(100Fast,200Fast). Intervals 4x800 w/ 2min jog
    • 31Oct-06Nov: 22 miles. 4x400R, 4x200FR. Definitely lacking in speed in the legs. 10 miles Steady. Off to the ill-fated stag for the weekend where I'd planned to complete my weekly mileage by running easy but it never materialised.
    • 07-13Nov: 17 miles. Horrible horrible week which I finished off by running in the Meath Senior Cross Country.


    Meath Senior Cross Country

    This weekend was my last chance to run cross country this side of Christmas I figured. Feeling really guilty for putting my name down but not being able to make the last couple of races I dragged myself out for this very much not in 100% condition but hoped the race buzz would see me round if I took it easy enough. We'd 7 runners present. On a good day I'd maybe be the 2nd-3rd home I reckoned. But then again, I've no experience over 8 k so what do I know. I could be outside the top 4 today so I can just enjoy a trot around the course near the back. That was the plan anyway. 5 laps of one mile over a very dry hilly course with lots of long grass.

    Lap 1. I went almost to the back and didn't even look at the leaders concentrating on who was around me. I was determined to finish stronger than I started. I'd say I averaged 3:56 pace. A couple of my clubmates still managed to be behind me here despite me holding myself back. I was feeling good at this stage though.

    Lap 2. Right I can pass a few here maybe I reckoned and did so on a couple of hills. Take it steady though. I went by one of my team mates halfway through the lap here giving him some encouragement as I do. This put me third for our team so I was just going to try and hold the effort level now until the last lap and kick then if I could. The body had responded when I needed it to here but maybe not quite to the level I might have expected, so definitely wasn't getting excited. There might not be a kick for the last lap, but I can certainly hold this effort. Lap 2 maybe 3:53 pace.

    Lap 3. Boom! Not happening for me today. This is only the 4th km and I'm struggling big time. I slow right down. I get repassed by my team mate again toward the end of this lap and consider dropping put. Really don't help myself at all here or for the next lap or so by continually telling myself "what do you expect. You're shook after being sick all week and are risking getting sick again". Pace 4:15.

    Lap 4. Going past the finish line with all the encouragement and the crowd always give you a little push to hang on. So I know I'll make it to the next hill at least. I look around to see if I can see any of my club colours behind me. No sign for a good 300m back and lots of other runners. There's one fella that is ominous by his absence. "God why am I still running" followed shortly by "Oh there's my teammate". He'd pulled up on lap 3 and was now cheering me on. He wasn't going to be catching or taking up the mantle if I drop so I knew then I was going to have to see it out if the team were going to have a chance of a medal. Main thoughts now are "hang on" and "If the guy behind starts to close try and kick a little to discourage him". Pace 4:13.

    Lap 5. I try to tell myself I could catch at least 3-4 people ahead of me on another day (perhaps to make myself feel a little better) but if I even tried such a stunt during this lap I might pass out. Just get home. The last lap involved very little in the way of bursts really even allowing myself to slow in places as the guy behind me wasn't closing. Last lap around 4:10. I was greeted by one of my teammates as I crossed but couldn't talk. I went off to lie on the grass for a while before returning a few minutes later.

    That was tough. That was humbling. That was cross-country racing. We got a team bronze by 4 points so I'd made the difference in the end being our 4th finisher in 21st place overall. Roll on the Master CC in January :)


    I'm simply assuming at this stage I'll get back to feeling much fitter during the week. I couldn't have lost that much of my conditioning in such a short space of time. Let's see how the week goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    14 - 20 November- 33 miles

    Bilbo was back on his adventures this week.


    Monday - 5 km easy in 25 minutes. Chanced a run on the Monday and I was definitely back to feeling near normal.

    Tuesday - Intervals 6x(60s On/Off), 4x200FR. Covered just over 300m on each 60s on with the recovery time more than enough. The 200s were just over 30s each.

    Wednesday - On the way to Sligo for work. I stopped in Mullingar for 8 k recovery. Winter fog and street lights made it quite atmospheric around the town especially around the canal. Had the phone with me but didn't stop to take any snaps. Probably should have.

    Thursday - Road/Trail run 13 km Up Knocknarea and back with 356m elevation gain. If I regret not using my phone on Wednesday it was more so today as the fog lingered on into the early afternoon as I set off on this run. As I went higher I emerged from the fog to the sunny uplands where the views were absolutely stunning with clear skies above and patched fog around various pockets of Sligo and its surrounds below. I wasn't sure what shape the trail was but found out soon enough as I continued running for as long as I could. I eventually succumbed to walking the final little bit as the steps became ever more pronounced requiring me to shuffle on each one before jumping up to the next. Once it levelled out again I got back into a trot doing a couple of laps of the cairn before heading back down again. I ended up covering the 13 kms in 1hr 06 so the pace overall ended up quite quick as I enjoyed going at a good clip on the descent.

    Friday - 2x(300R, 200FR, 100Fast). Legs were good and tired today but I wanted to get some more speed work into the legs before racing indoors the following week. Didn't overdo it but was feeling the increased speed of 800 paced stuff a little easier to handle than a couple of weeks back.

    Sunday - 10 km in 50 mins. Night run to finish off the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    21 - 28 November - 30 miles

    Monday - 6x (1kT w/ 60s jog). Racing Thursday but I wanted to get a decent session in at the start of the week so went out on Monday. Kms were 3:44, 3:41, 3:41, 3:37, 3:40, 3:30*. With Thursday's race in mind I decided to pick up the pace a good bit for the last 200 of the final rep, hence the quicker time.

    Tuesday - 6.5 km Easy

    Wednesday - Rest

    Thursday - [RACE] Track and Field Live 800m. I wasn't taking this race extremely seriously in my prep but had tried to inject some faster paced stuff in the last 3 weeks and wanted to give it a good go. This was just to give me a marker of where I've left myself at this stage of the year. Conclusion is not in great 800 shape but not atrocious. Hard to resist a min-report...

    As is customary for track races despite there being a 40-minute delay to proceedings when I arrived I still managed to nearly miss the start of the race. I think that's 4 track races in a row for me where I'm tying my laces as they're lining up. Ridiculous stuff really. The meet gained twenty minutes back from the time I decided to go for a 5k jog which I'd shortened to 3 as I started to feel anxious that that might happen. I arrived back into the arena as the 800 ladies were about to start and the 800 men were in the middle of the track. Panicked but I still needed the toilet so off I went trying to remove layers as I ran. The 800 was condensed from 3 to 2 heats and I was stood with a host of young sub 2 lads. The director (thankfully) rechecked his board and they decided to move me in with the first heat where I shared a lane to start.

    Start - We set off and I move out much quicker than my lane buddy to take up second position as the lanes broke. I tried to match the pace of the guy in front and went through the first 200 in 31. The next 200 the gap grew a couple of yards, but I was feeling comfortable with the pace and didn't feel the need to sit on him. I didn't feel there was anyone very close to me either, so it was turning into a 2-man race. Lap 2: 33s. Into lap 3 and I'm on my own as the gap has grown further to about 15 metres. I don't believe I'm completely out of touch though but am feeling the effort big time at this stage. However, I know I can still kick for the last 200 and will go at the bell. By the time the bell comes the gap is still around 15 metres. Lap 3: 34s. I kick as best I can, and the gap starts to close. It's not rapidly closing but I feel I can catch him before the line. Legs are a tonne weight, and the lungs are gasping but I'm a metre behind coming off the last bend and get right up beside him as we approach the finish where he responds with a little kick of his own. We dip at the line but I think he's got me by a hair. This turned out to be the case with Two hundredths of a second in it. Time: 2:11.18. Last lap: 32s. Funny how you feel you're kicking at the hardest you've done the whole race but still not as fast as the first 200m. The 800 is a very interesting event.

    I hope to put in a solid 3 weeks and return again on December 14th. December is due to be crazy, but I haven't broken 2:10 for the 800 this year. I have to believe I can run faster next time out, once I don't get sick or injured and keep the training sensible.


    Friday - 12 km easy around Baldoyle and Howth. Working in the area I went for a trot seeing if I'd happen upon the famous Howth Hill. I'm not sure if that's where I ended up but it was hilly enough.

    Saturday - Off

    Sunday - 4x400R, 4x300FR. Game face on and a decent middle-distance workout. Hit the target pace no problem on the 400s (70s) but found the 300s tougher with the lactate in the legs hitting early on. The jogged recoveries became partially walked for the last two 300s but I hit the time for these but with effort the race possibly still a bit in the legs 49,48,48,48.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    What was I saying about December? Grrr! Kids Christmas mass is on the same evening as the next Indoor meet which I'd entered. It means I won't be able to run it now so need to rejig my plans somewhat. Could be ending the year doing a solo 800 TT but I'm also hoping I might take in a nearby 5k race too during the month. Will be seeing if I can get into the next Indoor event in January.


    November 29 - December 04 - 31 miles

    Monday - 6.6 km easy

    Tuesday - 5 km @10k pace. I was thinking of doing 5km Tempo but decided to push the effort level a little more. Felt nice and controlled, speeding up slightly as I warmed into it for 5k in 18:03.

    Wednesday - 7 km easy

    Thursday - Fartlek on some small hills. Work took me to the North near Cookstown. A glance at Strava introduced me to the Mid Ulster Sports Arena with an undulating running path around all the sports fields. I didn't want to tax myself too much but wanted to do something so settled on picking up the effort around the upslopes. This resulted in a 1.3 k lap with increased efforts over 4 hills for between 20-50 seconds. I did 20 pickups in total over 5 laps.

    Friday - 6.5 kms easy

    Saturday - Off

    Sunday - 2x400R, 600R, 1x400FR, 2x300FR (Still believing the 800 race was happening). Reps were 70, 70, 1:45 so bang on target. The Fast reps were 64, 48, 48. Bang on target again. The Fast reps were definitely less stressful than 7 days earlier, so I was happy I was getting used to the bit of speed again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    An okay week. Punctuated with a wedding on Friday but still hit my mileage target so tipping along. I've another wedding right on top of Christmas too and going to miss two vital days in work as a result. Daft stuff.

    I passed last year's mileage total yesterday so 3 weeks up on 2021. I'll get really close to but likely won't break 1,500 miles for the year.


    05-11 December - 32 miles

    Monday - 6.9 km easy in 33 minutes

    Tuesday - Intervals 4x(1k w/ 2 min jog) [3:19, 3:19, 3:19, 3:16]. First few hard Ks in a while. I wasn't as comfortable as I would have liked going into the last but choosing 2 mins instead of 2:30 jog in between probably played a part.

    Wednesday - 6 km recovery. This was the 4th night in a row I got out after 9 pm so made sure I'd try and get some daylight running in.

    Thursday - 10 miles in 1hr12. Midday run. Quickened a little in the second half as I warmed up. Long run for the week done before a couple of days off.

    Friday - Off

    Saturday - Off again.

    Sunday - 5x300FR, 4x300R. I'd trotted up to the business park hoping there'd be a bit of grip for some fast stuff. It wasn't to be, so I went back to the Porchfields where the path there provided a little more traction for what were now going to be shorter reps. It was nice and cold and these were a little all over the place but I was happy I did something at least. Fast 300s were [??, 47, 47, 46, 48] with the mile paced ones [54, 53, 52, 52]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    thats some 800!! fair play - those paces are insane.

    Under a previous coach we used to do 4x1min 'all out' - I done these on a straight road in the PP. (think I only done them once). I knew from Bollard to Bollard on the Furze Road is exactly 400m - so used this as a marker.

    On the 1st one - I managed about 380 meters in 60 secs - that was the height of it! Legs & lungs fecked afterwards. Downhill after that. Dont know how you guys run that fast on a consistent basis - I'd be constantly injured!!



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