Cycling Mikey

km991148 · 17-05-2022 08:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073116#Comment_119073116

No. That's your interpretation.

km991148 · 17-05-2022 08:29AM

And you know what, most of the clips I see we posted on boards, are just situations I don't get into.

Mikey is separate as he is doing a campaign, but for the casual commuter that posts on near misses, I see some dreadful failures in anticipation skills. You will always have **** drivers. You won't change that. You certainly won't by having a road side argument or calling them small dicked. You will have more success by reporting them, but Ireland is a **** show.

But by practicing better cycling is the most effective bang for your buck change you can make. If every cyclist upped their game and led by example, drivers wouldn't have a chance to act the way they do. This isn't victim blaming it's just controlling what you can and not trying to make a right from two wrongs.

But if some of ye don't adjust your attitudes on the roads then you will be forever stuck in this angry us Vs them bullshit.

Cabaal · 17-05-2022 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073689#Comment_119073689

So if every cyclist cycled perfectly drivers wouldn't have a chance to act the way they do?

Honestly, what world do you live on?

The following things are wrong in many drivers views:

Using a bike box at a traffic junction
Not wearing a helmet
Not wearing hi-viz
Not wearing enough hi-viz
Wearing too much hi-viz and/or lycra
Using a bike lane
Not using a bike lane
Simply cycling on roads at all (because they don't pay road tax!!!!1)
Cycling too fast
Cycling too slow
Cycling with kids
Filtering through traffic
Simply owning a bike (cause they don't pay road taxx!!!!!!111)

You claim you are not victim blaming but you are doing exactly that and everything I've listed above is legal to do.

The reality is that even if cyclists break every red light in the world that doesn't for one nanosecond make it ok for ANY motorists to try run cyclist off the road in an aggressive manner, to drive with a mobile or to speed.

As a motorist, cyclist, pedestrian and runner I have no issue with reporting dangerous behaviour by anybody, the reality shows that most of that dangerous behavior is from motorists so they deserve to be punished for endangering others.

I'll give you one example, last week I videoed a speed sign for 1hr, over 60% of cars passing exceeded the 50km/limit, several of them exceeded 70km/hour. Every one of them was entering a school zone!

Stop victim blaming and making excuses for **** driving,

AndrewJRenko · 17-05-2022 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073689#Comment_119073689

We could do both- practicing better cycling AND challenge dangerous drivers directly to make it socially unacceptable.

km991148 · 17-05-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119075066#Comment_119075066

Sure, you do you! I'm good for getting into arguments with randomers (except on here yif course..).

It's not even the challenging, it's the antagonistic style. Besides, I said you would get more bang for your buck on being better. Once again you take part of the statement and run with it out if context.

MojoMaker · 17-05-2022 08:40PM

Ignoring Cabaal's post because it's not convenient?

km991148 · 17-05-2022 11:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119077792#Comment_119077792

Actually missed it. Had to scroll up to check your comment was for me. Thanks for flagging it, I'll read it when sober and reply then.

km991148 · 17-05-2022 11:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119078679#Comment_119078679

Actually I can answer now, what the **** has it got to do with my simple claim that it's far better not to get into arguments with **** drivers (or worse, antagonise them by making assertions about their manhood?)

I'm sick of this us Vs them crap. I also run, cycle, walk and drive.. but yet I've still got to be pigeonhole based on assumptions by boards.ie users.. it's madness!

km991148 · 18-05-2022 12:30AM

And besides, in no way I have indicated that I condone bad driving. I'm not against reporting bad driving (I'd wager I've done so more than most here). I've been the victim of terrible driving (nerve damage that took years to heal, not quite fully) but when it comes down to it, you will not "educate" a driver by waving your pinky at him to insinuate they have a small dick.

I didn't say don't report, I said the biggest bang for buck is leading by example and practicing being a better cyclist. Frankly I think there are a lot of terrible cyclists that post here and they could do a helluva lot more to up their own game. This is not mutually exclusive to crap drivers having to do the same...

Cabaal · 18-05-2022 09:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119078761#Comment_119078761

Leading by example doesn't work,

Take speeding or mobile phone use, lots of people don't do it when driving. But does it make a difference to those that do. Nope, not for a second.

Enforcement is the only way to get people to change, putting the onus on cyclist to cycle perfectly as a means to improve motorist behaviour is just laughable. As I've already pointed out motorists get outraged by perfectly legal things cyclist do....but you've ignored all that.

Using your logic Gardai shouldn't monitor speed and we shouldn't have speed vans. Instead other motorists should just lead by example and not speed. That'll sort out the issue.

🙄

km991148 · 18-05-2022 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119079227#Comment_119079227

Nah you are mixing many issues here and being very obtuse about it.

"Going by your logic".. yeah cool. I don't know how many times I've made clear that drivers should be reported. I think people just love an argument tbh and have no real interest in road safety or getting better.

Good luck and stay safe everyone.

km991148 · 18-05-2022 11:26AM

And besides, like I say, many of the posters on this site could definitely do more for their own safety. The anticipation skills are often absolutely dreadful on the near misses thread. It's cringey. As I have said, repeatedly, this is not a boolean. People can do more for their own safety AND also report drivers etc.

I don't know why you are missing that point? I can't really simplify it any further tbh.

The only real issue I have is people that get into roadside arguments. That's just moronic to me, but some of ye just love it.

Large bottle small glass · 18-05-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119079763#Comment_119079763

The problem you are encountering is the very nature of platforms like Twitter/YouTube?Facebook don't lend themselves to reasoned argument and seeing both sides of things; you pick a fu(king side and defend/attack irrespective of the merits on either side.

If you ever try and have a discussion about reducing your risk of almost anything but especially as a cyclist on here or the mentioned platforms, the immediate discussion killer 101 is normally pulled out in that you are victim blaming irrespective of the merits or otherwise of your argument.

Cycling Mikey will get more traffic the more he engages with drivers; whether his goal is traffic and likes/shares or money it doesn't really matter. Once he gets people angry or annoyed he will drive traffic.

In the last clip linked there was a lot of people on phones, but he chose to engage with someone to get a row going rather than passively reporting as many as possible isn't much of a watch.

Interesting essay here from last month, if long and way off topic, on American politics but with a section commenting on the real world outcomes arising from recent trends on social media platforms

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

Dr_Colossus · 22-05-2022 12:10PM

Pretty balanced view of Mikey's videos here. Ashley himself can be a bit pompous but in fairness he's very level headed and does give good advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0FhYn2SmA

22-05-2022 12:28PM

Yeah Ashley can be a bit preachy at times but generally has decent content on his channel. The one he mentions he had to reupload due to a privacy complaint is well worth a look 😂

km991148 · 22-05-2022 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096639#Comment_119096639

Hmm this is interesting alright.

I generally agree with a lot of what Ashley says. Pro education and safety. And I've repeatedly said that I do believe arguments/engagement with drivers doesn't do much to change behaviour (not opening that can of worms again...) but I do think Ashley contradicts himself a little. I believe he does have a little bit of a chip on his shoulder with regards to cyclists (but works hard to hide it..). It's a little disingenuous to say Mikey doesn't call out fellow cyclists (he does actually do this). Wee bit sneaky to complain about people creating us Vs them situation, while piling in to do the same..

CramCycle · 23-05-2022 09:21AM

The clip from Mikey at 5:30 shows him in a bad light. He does this while moving, tries to distract and infuriate (failing miserably), follows up while the driver is moving off, cuts across to turn left. This I disagree with. Once it had been pointed out, she immediately stopped and moved off. The event was over, following her down the road while she is driving (different if she was stationary) and shouting is not safe or smart. No issue with CM in general but that type of behaviour doesn't strike me as safe or particularly useful. I also don't particularly like Ashley, promoting ditch to ditch driving to reduce car wear and tear is as stupid as those people who won't run their dims during the day as the bulb won't last as long. It's a false economy and actually just muppetry.

Mc Love · 23-05-2022 11:31AM

Have unsubscribed from Ashley - one of his recent videos targeting cyclists.

thefallingman · 23-05-2022 11:34AM

i just saw this thread and watched a couple of videos of him jumping out of a bush, i can't believe someone hasn't lumped him out of it, one day he'll do it to the wrong person

Cabaal · 23-05-2022 11:52AM

Fairly biased video from Ashley, Mikey regularely calls out other cyclist for going wrong way on that junction and also salmon when he encounters them. To claim he doesn't is 100% wrong.

crazy 88 · 23-05-2022 01:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101624#Comment_119101624

But he doesn't threaten to report them to police like he does with the drivers

23-05-2022 03:15PM

He's calling him out for what he is. Pompous self aggrandising lady part. He could and should quietly report people if he wants to. All this confrontational grand standing is purely for thumbs up - I mean you can not even make a disagreement to him on his channel.

Cabaal · 24-05-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101993#Comment_119101993

How do you propose the police charge them if he did?

MojoMaker · 24-05-2022 08:56AM

Ah here, don't let logic get in the way of the (motorists) comments above.

Cabaal · 24-05-2022 09:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119102923#Comment_119102923

"Pompous self aggrandising lady part"

What are you, 13? 🙄

Why should he quietly report people? There's much more of a benefit of idiots being aware that cyclists can and will record and report their dangerous behaviour. Doing it quietly means less idiots will be aware of this so they won't change their behaviour.

If making these idiots public even makes 2 out of 2000 people change their behaviour then its very worth it as it'll be 2 less dangerous people on the roads.

The Gardai have a facebook page and they post about charges they take against people. Should they just quietly charge people?

😂

24-05-2022 12:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105648#Comment_119105648

I don't think gardi make a public spectacle on the street for attention. Let him report and video if he wants but there is nothing mature about roaring at people and tantrums in the street. Definite the other video man is correct.

Or is it like his youtube that only support can be posting?

Cabaal · 24-05-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106653#Comment_119106653

I've watched plenty of mikey's videos, I've never heard him roaring at people or having any tantrum. He's talked in a clam manner and only loud part I can remember off hand is the time he did chicken noises after a guy, but then he had just been assaulted. (police paid that chicken a visit)

All I've seen is grown adults acting like children throwing toys out of prams, name call, threaten him and yet be 100% in the wrong due to their dangerous behavior.

You need to try harder, maybe try digging up next time 🤣

crazy 88 · 24-05-2022 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105598#Comment_119105598

Laws pertaining to cycling? I'm sure they exist in the UK. Not being from there I don't know them.

km991148 · 24-05-2022 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106712#Comment_119106712

Lol he often does the chicken noises, not just that one time!

That's when he'd at his best/worst..

Cabaal · 24-05-2022 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119107155#Comment_119107155

So you want him to report cyclists but you dont know if any laws exist to do so 🤣

For all we know he does report cyclists but he follows LorenzoB's advise and doesn't make any of it public, but he finds the police aren't interested and would rather go after the bigger and more dangerous fish 😀

(the idiot people who can't drive safely)

Cycling Mikey

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